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JimboPro

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I put a pokemon in for trade and got a Ditto out today... my problem is that the Ditto is Lvl 100 and has 31 IV's across the board. If I keep it will it ruin my game? If I use it to breed will it ruin my game? I want to just release it but if it wont hurt my game at all why not use it for breeding purposes ?
 
I put a pokemon in for trade and got a Ditto out today... my problem is that the Ditto is Lvl 100 and has 31 IV's across the board. If I keep it will it ruin my game? If I use it to breed will it ruin my game? I want to just release it but if it wont hurt my game at all why not use it for breeding purposes ?

Breeding or releasing will not do anything to your game.
If it is still on your game by regionals, they CAN look at your boxes for hacked pokemon but they have stated that they only look at the battle box pokemon.
 
I put a pokemon in for trade and got a Ditto out today... my problem is that the Ditto is Lvl 100 and has 31 IV's across the board.

Technically this doesn't mean it's hacked.

If it was anything other than a ditto I would tell you not to be so paranoid. Just saying. People do legitimately breed for literally perfect IVs sometimes.

If it is hacked it poses no threat to your game, and if it's done correctly it shouldn't turn up on a check. Using it for breeding should be fine. Just don't use it at a tournament. ;P
 
Key words being "Battle Box"- this is where it matters. People hack their games to have infinate items and the sort, but what really counts is what Pokemon your using in a tournament. The Battle Box is specifically for tournaments, which the Pokemon in that box is secluded from the rest of the game cartridge which makes it so that players can not switch out the Pokemon and makes it easier for the check to be done in a timely manner.

A person may have a hacked Pokemon in their PC, but it does not mean that we can automatically assume they are using a hacked Pokemon in a tournament.
 
One more question for all of you then...

What is a bad egg? I wasn't worried about tourney's and such since I use one game to breed and one game to ev train and play against others...

So by using this hacked Ditto which was "Apparently met at lvl 100" and came with a Master Ball it won't cause my game to delete itself from a bad egg or something crazy like that... I have heard rumors of games going haywire due to using hacked pokemon, any truth?

Thanks for all your help!
 
One more question for all of you then...

What is a bad egg? I wasn't worried about tourney's and such since I use one game to breed and one game to ev train and play against others...

So by using this hacked Ditto which was "Apparently met at lvl 100" and came with a Master Ball it won't cause my game to delete itself from a bad egg or something crazy like that... I have heard rumors of games going haywire due to using hacked pokemon, any truth?

Thanks for all your help!

BTW - before anybody asks, we are discussing the prevention of hacks and game corruption.
http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1521971&postcount=2

A bad egg is when you corrupt a pokemon file. If you have one, then you cave corrupted your game and it very well can be found by the hack check at VGC. Since they don't hatch (because it isn't an actual egg) the only way to make your game legitimate again, as with anything, would be to reset the game.
 
BTW - before anybody asks, we are discussing the prevention of hacks and game corruption.
http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1521971&postcount=2

A bad egg is when you corrupt a pokemon file. If you have one, then you cave corrupted your game and it very well can be found by the hack check at VGC. Since they don't hatch (because it isn't an actual egg) the only way to make your game legitimate again, as with anything, would be to reset the game.

So use the Ditto to breed and then trade the hatched pokemon to another game and the other game will be legit? I am worried that if I use this obviously hacked pokemon it will create a bad egg or corrupt the game file... If I use it to breed will it ruin all my other pokemon by erasing my game or anything like that? If I use the hacked pokemon to breed will the baby or newly hatched pokemon to be corrupt as well?
 
So use the Ditto to breed and then trade the hatched pokemon to another game and the other game will be legit? I am worried that if I use this obviously hacked pokemon it will create a bad egg or corrupt the game file... If I use it to breed will it ruin all my other pokemon by erasing my game or anything like that? If I use the hacked pokemon to breed will the baby or newly hatched pokemon to be corrupt as well?

Probably not because you are obtaining the hatched pokemon by legitimate means.
If you do happen to get a bad egg, just don't save, reset the DS, and then toss the ditto.
 
The newly hatched Pokemon does not recieve the "hack". The game will treat the egg as normal, with the same chances to receive the IV base stat as the parent that the egg will have handed down. Things that influence the IV carry down is the hold items, such as Power Brace. Nature can be handed down as well with the Everstone.

Most hacked Pokemon return to "normal" once they are placed in the PC. The PC re-sets a Pokemon unless the Pokemon is RNG'd. The original coding to the Pokemon is restored in the PC, if this does not happen- get rid of it ASAP, release it. EV'd Pokemon stay the same, as the EV coding is added into the coding of the Pokemon. Anything that goes beyond that and is not normal coding, the hack is bad news all around, thus get rid of that Pokemon through release methods. (party/PC)

You will not need to trade the hatched egg over to another game. The only thing that is infectious in a game is the Pokerus. Even that has a time limit to pass it along.

Breeding will happen the same as the way the game is programed, using a flawless Pokemon in the breeding is the same as using an RNG'd Pokemon. If it is possible in the game to get a flawless Pokemon, then it is programed into the game to allow breeding rules/influences to occure the same as the breeding is code written to hatch a Pokemon that is independent to what the Parents have as to the IV's and nature, along with egg moves.

Back in the day, the "bad egg" is a corrupt file, meaning that the coding was not legit and thus that was the result of bad hacking. You could "release" the invisible "bad egg", and it would go away. Anything other then just letting those "bad eggs" whether visible/invisible would cause the game to become corrupt, and then yes, your only option would be to restart a new file if the "bad egg" was used for anything.

The breeding rules have changed a good amount since then, things like the power items and the everstone are great tools to use to breed the Pokemon your wanting to have. If RNG is not your cup of tea, then breeding is the best option for using the hold items to influence your breeding. Having a Flawless RNG'd Pokemon in the day care only increases the passing on of the IV stat, the game will see the flawless RNG'd Pokemon as "possible/can happen" ( I say "possible" in that the odds of randomly encountering a flawless IV Pokemon without RNG'ing is way crazy odds.)-
Pokemon and just simply apply the breeding rules accordingly.

The best way to prevent having hacked Pokemon to not have the chance to mess up your game is to:

1. Know the source of whom your getting a Pokemon from.
2. If a Pokemon is "too good to be true"- meaning that it is over the limit on it's EV's in a stat, caught in an area that is not legit, and many other factors- release it immediatly. A simple releasing it from the PC is the best way to rid the hacked Pokemon. Don't move it around, don't try to trade it off- release it. If it is in your party, do not move it to the PC box, release it. ASAP.
3. Do not continue to trade with a person who sends you a hacked Pokemon. No matter how bad your want the Giratina- be mindfull of what it is they are asking for in return. Consider each trade with asking your self "They want a Blazakin for a level 100 Giratina?"- I personaly would not go for the trade.
4. Check the lowest possible level of a Pokemon up for trade, depending on what the Pokemon is. Regigigas can be level one and all, but if it is shiny- odds are that it is hacked.
5. Battle ready Pokemon- be vary cautious of this. A person could 'quick build" a Pokemon and make a mistake. You want to be in a specific tournament- it is best to trade with a person who has legit credit for being a legit trade. Or breed/build the Pokemon yourself.
6. GTS- good to fill your Pokedex with, and trade for common Pokemon only. Unless a person really needs to hack for a Skitty- the chances of that is so little, a trade like that is no big deal.
7. The Pokemon that are the most hacked are the Pokemon in the OU and Uber lists. Again, know a trusted source to getting these Pokemon.
8. Make your trades worth the effort. A person will want a specific Pokemon, in return you should trade for a Pokemon that has about the same amount of effort placed into it as the one you want to recieve. Basically, a trade bargin among friends. Say you have 3 raised and battle worthy Garchomps. Offer one of those to a friend who has a "spare" battle worthy Pokemon they are willing to part with that you are wanting.
9. If a person is offering Event Pokemon- the chances of that person wanting a "grunt" Pokemon in return does not mean that the event Pokemon is hacked. Example: I myself have extra DL event Pokemon, thus I want to give them away as a prize or something similar. I will take a grunt Pokemon for the trade, since I rarely need anything in return.

Use comon sense for your trades.

At some events- they could check your entire cartridge for hacks. In general, you should want to keep your games as legit as possible. Sometimes you do get a hacked Pokemon through a trade- just keep the "When in doubt, toss it out" rule of thumb. There are a good number of ways to get the Pokemon your wanting, be sure to use legit sources to obtain what your looking for.

Here is what I do:
Rarly use GTS for that Pokemon that is just for Pokedex reasons. I release it anyways, and I do not look for the OU/Uber list stuff as it is.
Use the PokeRadar
Trade among trusted friends, or with people with a reputation to have legit Pokemon.
Dream World.
Trade over from your own games to the next/other. That way, you know the source.
A legit trader will be more "haggling"- meaning they put work into the Pokemon, thus not just wanting to give up a Pokemon so easily. That is what I do- I do not trade away a Pokemon that I spent a good amount of time into breeding/raising for just anything.

Trading is a part of Pokemon, and there is the pros/cons of doing so. Just keep in mind some trade tips, and you will decrease the chances of getting something hacked. If you get something hacked- or become away after that it is hacked- rid yourself of it and do not use it for anything.
 
The newly hatched Pokemon does not recieve the "hack". The game will treat the egg as normal, with the same chances to receive the IV base stat as the parent that the egg will have handed down. Things that influence the IV carry down is the hold items, such as Power Brace. Nature can be handed down as well with the Everstone.

Most hacked Pokemon return to "normal" once they are placed in the PC. The PC re-sets a Pokemon unless the Pokemon is RNG'd. The original coding to the Pokemon is restored in the PC, if this does not happen- get rid of it ASAP, release it. EV'd Pokemon stay the same, as the EV coding is added into the coding of the Pokemon. Anything that goes beyond that and is not normal coding, the hack is bad news all around, thus get rid of that Pokemon through release methods. (party/PC)

You will not need to trade the hatched egg over to another game. The only thing that is infectious in a game is the Pokerus. Even that has a time limit to pass it along.

Breeding will happen the same as the way the game is programed, using a flawless Pokemon in the breeding is the same as using an RNG'd Pokemon. If it is possible in the game to get a flawless Pokemon, then it is programed into the game to allow breeding rules/influences to occure the same as the breeding is code written to hatch a Pokemon that is independent to what the Parents have as to the IV's and nature, along with egg moves.

Back in the day, the "bad egg" is a corrupt file, meaning that the coding was not legit and thus that was the result of bad hacking. You could "release" the invisible "bad egg", and it would go away. Anything other then just letting those "bad eggs" whether visible/invisible would cause the game to become corrupt, and then yes, your only option would be to restart a new file if the "bad egg" was used for anything.

The breeding rules have changed a good amount since then, things like the power items and the everstone are great tools to use to breed the Pokemon your wanting to have. If RNG is not your cup of tea, then breeding is the best option for using the hold items to influence your breeding. Having a Flawless RNG'd Pokemon in the day care only increases the passing on of the IV stat, the game will see the flawless RNG'd Pokemon as "possible/can happen" ( I say "possible" in that the odds of randomly encountering a flawless IV Pokemon without RNG'ing is way crazy odds.)-
Pokemon and just simply apply the breeding rules accordingly.

The best way to prevent having hacked Pokemon to not have the chance to mess up your game is to:

1. Know the source of whom your getting a Pokemon from.
2. If a Pokemon is "too good to be true"- meaning that it is over the limit on it's EV's in a stat, caught in an area that is not legit, and many other factors- release it immediatly. A simple releasing it from the PC is the best way to rid the hacked Pokemon. Don't move it around, don't try to trade it off- release it. If it is in your party, do not move it to the PC box, release it. ASAP.
3. Do not continue to trade with a person who sends you a hacked Pokemon. No matter how bad your want the Giratina- be mindfull of what it is they are asking for in return. Consider each trade with asking your self "They want a Blazakin for a level 100 Giratina?"- I personaly would not go for the trade.
4. Check the lowest possible level of a Pokemon up for trade, depending on what the Pokemon is. Regigigas can be level one and all, but if it is shiny- odds are that it is hacked.
5. Battle ready Pokemon- be vary cautious of this. A person could 'quick build" a Pokemon and make a mistake. You want to be in a specific tournament- it is best to trade with a person who has legit credit for being a legit trade. Or breed/build the Pokemon yourself.
6. GTS- good to fill your Pokedex with, and trade for common Pokemon only. Unless a person really needs to hack for a Skitty- the chances of that is so little, a trade like that is no big deal.
7. The Pokemon that are the most hacked are the Pokemon in the OU and Uber lists. Again, know a trusted source to getting these Pokemon.
8. Make your trades worth the effort. A person will want a specific Pokemon, in return you should trade for a Pokemon that has about the same amount of effort placed into it as the one you want to recieve. Basically, a trade bargin among friends. Say you have 3 raised and battle worthy Garchomps. Offer one of those to a friend who has a "spare" battle worthy Pokemon they are willing to part with that you are wanting.
9. If a person is offering Event Pokemon- the chances of that person wanting a "grunt" Pokemon in return does not mean that the event Pokemon is hacked. Example: I myself have extra DL event Pokemon, thus I want to give them away as a prize or something similar. I will take a grunt Pokemon for the trade, since I rarely need anything in return.

Use comon sense for your trades.

At some events- they could check your entire cartridge for hacks. In general, you should want to keep your games as legit as possible. Sometimes you do get a hacked Pokemon through a trade- just keep the "When in doubt, toss it out" rule of thumb. There are a good number of ways to get the Pokemon your wanting, be sure to use legit sources to obtain what your looking for.

Here is what I do:
Rarly use GTS for that Pokemon that is just for Pokedex reasons. I release it anyways, and I do not look for the OU/Uber list stuff as it is.
Use the PokeRadar
Trade among trusted friends, or with people with a reputation to have legit Pokemon.
Dream World.
Trade over from your own games to the next/other. That way, you know the source.
A legit trader will be more "haggling"- meaning they put work into the Pokemon, thus not just wanting to give up a Pokemon so easily. That is what I do- I do not trade away a Pokemon that I spent a good amount of time into breeding/raising for just anything.

Trading is a part of Pokemon, and there is the pros/cons of doing so. Just keep in mind some trade tips, and you will decrease the chances of getting something hacked. If you get something hacked- or become away after that it is hacked- rid yourself of it and do not use it for anything.

I released it... it is my understanding that it is impossible to have a Ditto with 31 IV's in every stat, is this true?

Also thank you for your response and thank you for being more clear on what I was asking...
 
it is my understanding that it is impossible to have a Ditto with 31 IV's in every stat, is this true?

Um... no, and I don't know why you would think that.

It's technically possible.

It's very, very, very, very unlikely, but there's absolutely no reason for it to be impossible (that I know of).

I really want to be corrected if I'm wrong here because that would uproot a lot of my feelings about the way hacked Pokemon and the game mechanics work. >_>"
 
A ditto can have flawless IVs, I believe certain natures can not, however (as of BW1). I'm sure it's changed since then, but the only completely flawless Ditto can have Bashful/Serious/Quirky natures in Gen IV. So maybe that's changed, but certain natures could not have pure 31 IVs.

Also, since you never did mention this, did you make sure that you reset its EVs to 0 before you checked? If not, it's possible that it only has really good IVs, or decent ones, and the EVs are just making it look like it has perfect 31s.
 
I did not erase the EV's first.... I assumed it had to be hacked since it was "Apparently met at lvl 100" and I don't know of any pokemon you can catch at lvl 100.

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Um... no, and I don't know why you would think that.

It's technically possible.

It's very, very, very, very unlikely, but there's absolutely no reason for it to be impossible (that I know of).

I really want to be corrected if I'm wrong here because that would uproot a lot of my feelings about the way hacked Pokemon and the game mechanics work. >_>"

I heard it from one of my DS players at my league this Friday. He stated that it was impossible to get a perfect IV Ditto in every stat, he stated that you could get 31 in every stat except for one.
 
A ditto can have flawless IVs, I believe certain natures can not, however (as of BW1). I'm sure it's changed since then, but the only completely flawless Ditto can have Bashful/Serious/Quirky natures in Gen IV. So maybe that's changed, but certain natures could not have pure 31 IVs.

I've literally never heard of that, ever, for any gen. Natures and IVs have been separate as long as I've known about Pokemon. I'd really be interested in knowing where you heard that.

I heard it from one of my DS players at my league this Friday. He stated that it was impossible to get a perfect IV Ditto in every stat, he stated that you could get 31 in every stat except for one.

I don't see why Ditto should be an exception to the general Pokemon structure, wherein IVs are randomly generated (with some extra considerations for breeding). Again, I'd really be interested in knowing where he heard this.

What I know about Pokemon comes from Serebii, my own experience, and from me running numbers time and time again on my Pokemon to confirm what Serebii tells me.
 
I think Platnium was the only game to sport a wild level 100 Pokemon- Magicarp. Other then that, there are no Pokemon that are in the wild at level 100.

Two possible scenarios for the Ditto in this discussion is:

1. The Ditto was RNG'd, then left in the day care for a long time to level it up to 100. This would be to keep the Ditto from ever accidently gaining any EV points towards a stat to mess with the IV calculations for IV check reasons for using it to breed with. The person would not use vits or feathers on it.

2. It was hacked to be level 100 with flawless IV's, caught in the wild with the modifications made before the encounter via some device- it is at level 100 for the possible reason for breeding use only, the only possible reason a person would want the ditto "fresh caught" at level 100. (Then again, if they wanted to use it in battles, they would EV it, but at level 100, your looking at vits and feathers (unless they hacked for those as well) still, what would be the point?) Unless I am totaly incorrect about RNGing, you can not RNG the Pokemon's level to be what you want it to be.

It is ok to stick with your instinct on tossing out a possible hacked Pokemon. Without knowing the exact "history" behind a Pokemon, you'll need to look into all of the factors that support for or against the Pokemon's legit standing based on what you yourself know to be correct.

Until you have enough experiance in recognizing a hacked Pokemon, it is even difficult for myself to spot a hacked Pokemon. Some hacks are easy, such as Spiritomb with Wonder Gaurd ability while others are not so simple to spot.
Hacks are hacks, and hacks are caught. Simple hacks can be seen such as a Pokemon having a move it can not have normaly, while the more difficult hacks are somewhere in the Pokemons stats with EV's that are incorrect. You can not spot that as easy, but an experianced trainer will know something is up in the battle if something is just not sitting right.
I have battled wi-fi when my opponant's Forretress lived after taking an Overheat attack from Modest 31 IV/ EV'd Chandelure with Fire Gem- with out a Focus Sash! I would say, hacked ya think- lol.
 
I've literally never heard of that, ever, for any gen. Natures and IVs have been separate as long as I've known about Pokemon. I'd really be interested in knowing where you heard that.

It was german koffing. The reason for it is that Ditto can only be caught, not bred, so to RNG it, there were only those certain spreads you could hit. And while they could be something like 31/30/31/31/31/31, the only natures with 6 31s were limited.

@Benzo, keep in mind that EVs changed in Gen V. You can EV train a lv 100 Pokemon normally.
 
I've literally never heard of that, ever, for any gen. Natures and IVs have been separate as long as I've known about Pokemon. I'd really be interested in knowing where you heard that.

In gen IV, IVs and Nature were created through one RNG call, so there were some IV/Nature combinations that were impossible on wild Pokemon.This does not effect Pokemon Breed in Gen IV, as the inherited IVs allow for perfect IVs of any nature.

I have battled wi-fi when my opponant's Forretress lived after taking an Overheat attack from Modest 31 IV/ EV'd Chandelure with Fire Gem- with out a Focus Sash! I would say, hacked ya think- lol.

Sturdy?
 
@Both of you: Oh right, that makes sense. :) I was just thinking in terms of theory, but I hadn't actually tried to generate such a PID, so...
 
In gen IV, IVs and Nature were created through one RNG call, so there were some IV/Nature combinations that were impossible on wild Pokemon.This does not effect Pokemon Breed in Gen IV, as the inherited IVs allow for perfect IVs of any nature.



Sturdy?


That would be awesome if it were true that Sturdy kicked in, which is why my Brongzong has Rock Slide and almost every time attacks last, thus built to get in that hit for such things as Sturdy- but when you only knock it into the "yellow" and not 1 Hit Point remaining........ that is a different story. I realized a bit later on after the post that I should have included that. Rock Slide didn't even do much of a dent either, which it at least would finish the KO for 1 hit point remaining on the Forretress. I Shut off on the battle. I only Shut off on a battle when there is something "fishy"- such as the above battle. Since Sturdy is the most prefered ability for Forretress, there is that off chance that you should not always assume that the opponant has the Forretress with Stury and has it Sashed. Same as some other Pokemon that normaly get Sashed, but anything can happen like WonderTomb or the once in a while Zoroark.
 
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Overheat should OHKO a Forretress (ignoring Sturdy) without even applying type advantages.

So yeah, that's very fishy lol.
 
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