Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Equality for all? Blind Players and Pokemon

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I don't know how to help the blind players, but there is a thing called an interperater for the Deaf. I personally know quite a few because I am in an interpreting program, and my wife is an interperator, and if anyone that will be going to worlds this year that would need one, there wll be at least myself at the touny, thus i would be more than happy to interperate.

Now as to the main topic of this discussion:

I agree that there are huge limitations to the players that can't hear or see and even worse both. But, like i stated earlier there are ways around those limits; interperaters, watchers, braile bars, etc. I know that there are some people in Utah that would like to play but think that there "limitations" (I personally can't stand that term) would prohibite them from playing in anything worth while, so they just don't play. Even though, I have tried to tell them otherwise, people are just not comfortable outside there little bubble.

As to the posts that have come before mine. Are you people the freaking Koneheads? This is the reason why the player base in Utah is lacking the Deaf. There are too many people that think the same way that ALL of you do. That there would be no advantage to having players like this, but, if you think about it if PUI wouldn't make some accomodation towards these players then at least in America they could be Prosicuted by the ADA Laws. Thus, making Pokèmon compleatly die. Then what would you do? Play chess or maybe the other card game that is mostly dieing? I personally say Deaf and/or Blind players, come on in and play because there is more than enough room AND time for all people to play.

~Windjet~
 
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Epyon0015 said:
This will go under the Marked Cards. He or she can be shuffling and can only tell what cards. Who to say they will put the card they need on top. Thats out of the question. Something has to be done with the rules or going around them just not to much

Another thing. They should add a Handicap Section to the Rule & Resurces.
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casual play.
 
Windjet said:
I agree that there are huge limitations to the players that can't hear or see and even worse both. But, like i stated earlier there are ways around those limits; interperaters, watchers, braile bars, etc. I know that there are some people in Utah that would like to play but think that there "limitations" (I personally can't stand that term) would prohibite them from playing in anything worth while, so they just don't play. Even though, I have tried to tell them otherwise, people are just not comfortable outside there little bubble.
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I personally say Deaf and/or Blind players, come on in and play because there is more than enough room AND time for all people to play.

~Windjet~
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Woot to you there.

I still think the idea of "marked sleeves" with Braille on the front would be the best way to go about it. I suppose there is minor cheating potential, but still... you're dealing with a blind player. I suppose anyone could try to cheat as a blind player with Braille cards, but come on... Suspicious activity would be pretty obvious to see for the opponent who isn't blind.

Makes me wonder how a blind vs. blind match might go. Definitely need a judge there...
 
Originlly posted by Patriarch
music is to the deaf
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Apperantly, you have never actually met a Deaf person. otherwise, youwould know that they enjoy music almost if not , in some cases, more that hearing people do. they just use stronger and louder speakers than most people so they can FEEL the music. I know quite a few deaf people that are better dancers than the hearing profetional dancers that you see on TV.

I don't mean to do any attacks, but please d your homework before posting.

~Windjet~
 
Never say never... I think that if there are blind / deaf people who want to play, then all power to them. It is up to the rest of the playing community to make them feel welcome. Of course, the question still stands of how many disabled people want to participate in OP in the first place...
 
And if the blind person played by himself, his/her opponent would most likely cheat. He wouldn't know because he can't see. That's why it's not such a good idea.
 
Umm
the blind player might use its excellent hearing to check the opponent's shuffling style.
 
Generally, players nearby might be heard over the card shuffling for the blind person, but perhaps not...
 
Meh, after seriously thinking about it I highly doubt that a blind person would be able to play.... I doubt we would be able to find ANY way of making that possible.... unless u can take a usb to said blind persons brain and hook it up to APPR ^^
 
If M:TG hasn't figured out a way to do it, then I'd say it's probably impossible, improbable, and/or completely impractical.



Really. How ON EARTH do you propose that this is possible without:

a. Bringing up major concerns about cheating.

b. Extending the time limit.

c. Someone (likely POP) spending tons of money to make accomidations for ONE person.
 
Flaming_Spinach said:
If M:TG hasn't figured out a way to do it, then I'd say it's probably impossible, improbable, and/or completely impractical.



Really. How ON EARTH do you propose that this is possible without:

a. Bringing up major concerns about cheating.

b. Extending the time limit.

c. Someone (likely POP) spending tons of money to make accomidations for ONE person.
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Judge watches the match, and opponent shuffles for blind person. Use the cards "marked" with Braille in sleeves. Now, this does increase the need for time, I'll be honest.
 
Think about an electronic card-dex camera. Think about the headset things that the people from dragon ball Z wear. There could be a camera on that, that would scan in the card image and the text. An ear piece would then read the text of the card to the player. All the player would have to say is view card, and the system would be able to read the specs of the card to the player. It would be in a set of headphones, so the player could hear, but the opponent could not. It could be done, granted it would be a lot more difficult.
 
secretsof2113 said:
Think about an electronic card-dex camera. Think about the headset things that the people from dragon ball Z wear.
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secretsof2113 said:
There could be a camera on that, that would scan in the card image and the text. An ear piece would then read the text of the card to the player. All the player would have to say is view card, and the system would be able to read the specs of the card to the player. It would be in a set of headphones, so the player could hear, but the opponent could not. It could be done, granted it would be a lot more difficult.
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So... basically... what that is is a image-to-text-to-words scanner, like those pen things... with headphones. If the information is private (i.e. not something he can ask his opponent), I can see that working. Perhaps... the ID numbers on the bottom left of card? Are they still there?
 
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secretsof2113 said:
Think about an electronic card-dex camera. Think about the headset things that the people from dragon ball Z wear. There could be a camera on that, that would scan in the card image and the text. An ear piece would then read the text of the card to the player. All the player would have to say is view card, and the system would be able to read the specs of the card to the player. It would be in a set of headphones, so the player could hear, but the opponent could not. It could be done, granted it would be a lot more difficult.
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Ummm... it's only 2007. This is possible, (I've got a scanner that can convert text on paper to text on a .doc file. I've also got a program that can convert raster images to vector images.) but, affordable....?

What you'd be expecting the equipment to do is read a raster image (and for one thing, is the blind person going to point the machine to the right place?) and determine which parts of the image are text, then determine what each of the charcters are in the text, then sound them out properly in text-to-speech.
 
Interesting topic here....I have always wondered if there have been any interested pkmn fans who have always wanted to take part in the TCG festivities, but who couldn't or had a hard time because of their disabilities. Personally, I don't think anyone should ever be excluded because of this very instance, but at the same time, I find it hard to figure out ways in which disabled players can play...more specifically those who are blind. I don't know if any PTO's or TO's have ever incurred such a situation, but if they would like to discuss I think that would be great. This a really important topic I think, and I'm sure certain cases on this issue may have come up, I would be surprised if that hasn't been the case, even for one mere instance since the game has been in existance. I wonder what PUI's take is on all this??

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Either that, or sound cancelling headphones for the opposing player. A Judge (somebody not related to the blind player in any way shape or form) sits next to the blind player and informs him of gameplay changes. If the player asks about his/her hand, the Judge asks the opponent to put on the headphones, then tells that player. Opponent takes off headphones when the Judge is done. It would require the full attention of one Judge and a $50 piece of equipment, but I can't think of anything else to do in this situation.
 
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