Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

GrumpigStall vs American archetypes, i challenge you

I know this kind of thing sounds strange but i want to let the words to the play, i think it's the best thing to do.

The format will be DX-PK. No DP and no DP rules, the deck would simply doesn't exist.

Moza, Blaziken111, you are welcomed!

Cyrus, your analysis is very good, i appreciate that.
I know there are good match-up and bad match-up for each deck.
What i HATE, is people coming here and saying all our decks are stupid. They can't say that if they didn't play the deck at least 20 times.

About Absolution, i tried some tech and a new way of playing which can take the match.
I would like to try it against Cyrus, but i think it has better to do than playing in an old format.
The worst match-up is Destiny: there are a lot of version and you don't know what the opponent will play...this forces you to misplay and lose the match most of the times.


Tell me your GMT and i'll try to find a nice time.
 
Ambush? Good luck...

You have the favor vs R-Gon, even a very very well built and well played R-Gon struggles against pigstall.

You said the format was DX-PK, but I assume you are also referring to pre-July where fossils didn't count as prizes?

I think you have a tough time vs shiftry, vs ambush, vs SS, etc. You have your favors, and you also have your bad matchups- like ALL decks.

R-Gon wasn't really that easy to invent. Most flygon ex decks played 3 green guys? Not true at all. R-Gon only played ONE flygon ex. The deck wasn't even based around it.
 
Empoleon/Lucario + Cessation would easily win vs the deck, i think.
Being DP Pokèmon, i didn't tested about it (DP are releasing now) and i would lose badly.
Even Exegguttor with the weakness +20 instead of x2 would have make any match more difficult.

What i basically want to see is what the deck would have done at your Regionals.
So the format is DX-PK without the new fossil rule.
I know it has not so much sense, but i like to play the deck so if anyone want to play...it would be a pleasure.
 
The big archetypes around regionals in the US were:

R-Gon
SS
MMs
Metanite
Banette
Shiftry
Destiny


You auto R-Gon and Metanite. SS is pretty bad, and shiftry seems kind of iffy too. Bandoom? They play cyclones/reversals. Destiny had a few versions, but it used rayquaza ex/exeggutor d and cessations or reversals or er2. It's not a very good matchup.

I don't see you auto-winning even the decks that were used around regionals time. Even if you did, you're using knowledge accumalated over 6 months. Even with that knowledge, I think against a player who did equal work in their deck and was decent would still have an advantage if they played destiny/shiftry/banette/SS.
 
ryan, i saw what andceo done this season. I played vs the 1st version of grumpig and i have to say that now is a nonsense deck. It's very powerful.
Cessation on destiny, ok, but with no latilock you can't win. imho.
Shiftry, u have to know the match, and andceo knows it very well, imho.
Banette with houndoom is 50-50 without is a near autoloss.
SS actually dunno, but i think that could be a nice game.

Just try andceo ^_^
 
ryanvergel said:
R-Gon wasn't really that easy to invent. Most flygon ex decks played 3 green guys? Not true at all. R-Gon only played ONE flygon ex. The deck wasn't even based around it.
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If you count on your luck yes one Flygon EX, but that was maybe much later in the season.
At the moment it became "famous" I am pretty sure in the USA it did consist 2 Flygon ex d.
And 3 Green guys, I only know it was played in FL and the Netherlands that way (at least untill March), later on I saw people changing their decks, but before NO most people focused on Flygon Ex d.
 
Grumpigstall was used since early november so it was very good in the Metanite-Flygon EX-Boom time.
 
I really don't think you have an "autowin" vs metanite, especially if the metanite player doesn't even use setup powers to conserve time.

BTW, andceo, are these timed?

And we don't say "lols europeans are all bad roflsauce", we do respect european players, or at least I do =\
 
Rainbowgym said:
If you count on your luck yes one Flygon EX, but that was maybe much later in the season.
At the moment it became "famous" I am pretty sure in the USA it did consist 2 Flygon ex d.
And 3 Green guys, I only know it was played in FL and the Netherlands that way (at least untill March), later on I saw people changing their decks, but before NO most people focused on Flygon Ex d.
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When it was being played at states at CITIES era we didn't even have a focus on flygon ex.

R-Gon came about to counter Flariados and metanite. There is a reason it is R-Gon and not a flygon ex deck that simply changed. It had castaways and str charms and holon GLs. Those str charms stayed in the deck and eventually changed to 2-3 plus power/charm. The only thing that changed in the deck since states was dropping GLs. Besides that, the deck has been very similar.

R-Gon is NOT a flygon ex deck that dropped a flygon ex. Not at all.
 
^exactly
r-gon focuses on using flygon d to power up a variety of delta pokemon to utilize their individual attacks and powers
flygon ex is, at best, a tech in the deck that sometimes sees late game play to clean up the field and spread damage
 
cant really call r-gon a metanite counter especially if they use latios*

btw i accept da challenge. i will use metanite
 
yes, you can
r-gon is a very effective metanite counter
they have mew d which can ko metagross d by discarding one or two energy
they have flygon d who resists metagross d
they are just as fast and sometimes even faster than you
its the best counter i can think of, short of chucktree
 
PSYCO829 said:
yes, you can
r-gon is a very effective metanite counter
they have mew d which can ko metagross d by discarding one or two energy
they have flygon d who resists metagross d
they are just as fast and sometimes even faster than you
its the best counter i can think of, short of chucktree
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QFT

Regionals-on it took care of metanite pretty effectively, at worst a 60-40 in its favor. States-wise it was about a 40-60 for flygon, depending on the metanite player's list ( it needed celebi and groudon/lugia to beat r-gon).
 
Rainbowgym said:
Wrong, my first impression also was it will not work when you have to power it manual.
But I was so wrong. And Steelix has also a problem against dugtrio. First attack NICE take the damage counter, just what you need to KO it. 2 prizes in exchange for 1 = bad deal.
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Ohhh I'm right on this one. The only manual attach deck where lati* worked decently was Destiny. Again, posting your own personal list for the board to see is CRUCIAL for us to not only make our points, but yours. However, I can imagine that with 12 fossils, a maxed pig line, and any # of dugtrio line, it's a pain to get the holon pokemon, latias*, and all three manual attaches. Fun techs like energy switch would help with this, but that'd just create inconsistency.

Besides, it's so easy for a versatile metalix to respond _after_ the Lati.
 
Pokemon:
2 Flygon ex d
3 Flygond d
2 Vibrava d (Sonic noise...Duh)
4 Trapinch d
1 Sceptile ex d
1 Treecko d
1 Fearow d
1 Spearow
4 Castform
1 Magnemite
1 Chimecho d
1 Rayquaza ex d
1 Latios ex d
1 Mew* d

Trainers:
4 Transceiver
3 Mentor
1 Scientist
1 Adventurer
1 Farmer
2 Researcher
1 Copycat
1 Briney
1 Castaway
2 Strength Charm or (1 SC/1 Castaway)
3 Windstorm
4 Rare Candy

Energy:
3 Grass
1 Lightning
3 Holon GL
1 Metal
4 Delta Rainbow
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What list is this? R-gon or?????

And the list for grumpigstall can be found here on the gym.
 
what the heck is that?
fearow? 2 flygon ex?
that is an exaple of a bad r-gon list, or an example of a flygon list
 
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