ixidor89
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It doesn't matter. Using that example shows that you are trying to test God. That argument suggests that a lightning bolt hitting you when you say "I hate God" would demonstrate that God is vengeful.
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It doesn't matter. Using that example shows that you are trying to test God. That argument suggests that a lightning bolt hitting you when you say "I hate God" would demonstrate that God is vengeful.
PSYCO829
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you try my patience...
i wasnt testing god
i
was
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do you think i go OUT OF MY WAY TO INSULT AND OFFEND OTHER PEOPLE RELIGIONS!?
I GOT ANGRY, AND SAID SOME STUPID THINGS, DAMN YOU
i was testing no one
my point was that god has frequently has smitted many who have offended him in the past, yet i was spared
perhaps he knew i was just angry, perhaps he realized i didnt mean it at all
either way it matters little, my point is god would have previously killed for that, and instead this time he either ignored it, or understood my pain and knew i regretted it the second i said it
not the behavior of the god who was so wrathful earlier in the bible
hence my analogy of gods evolution
please try to read my full post this time
and if you keep picking that sore spot, i promise you, you will regret it
ixidor89
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That's the point. You can't make a logical statement about God by your example.
And I'm pretty sure that it's against forum rules to threaten other people.
For the sake of argument, this is still just a belief. I'd think your life would change quite a bit if you definitively learned that (despite how illogical it is) you were going to burn for eternity for not following Jesus.
That said, I think most "change your life" stuff only works if there is a special afterlife, which I believe to be completely false.
Here's something to wrap your head around: The Christian god is supposed to be perfect. If he were perfect, why would he require a change in nature? Change would imply that the former state of being is inadequate for some reason—inadequacy is imperfection, and a perfect being cannot display it. The species he'd be interacting with is pretty much the same, and are still breaking the same laws he apparently set down thousands of years ago.
The only rational explanation is that he is false, brought around by nothing more than stories written by humans for humans. Part of this is that the original Old Testament material is vastly different from the original New Testament material. The latter is based around the gospels and on the concept of the Christ. The former is based on a ton of scattered apocrypha (for a nice trip, read Enoch) that would simply get changed whenever it suited the storyteller.
I love this. I really do. "Just because it cannot be explained with what we currently know, means it can never be explained, means a creator designed it."
Give it a few centuries. If we aren't as a species dead, I'd wager we can explain it scientifically. There is nothing that is truly irreducible. There is only that which is irreducible from a specific reference point.
(TYranitarFReak)
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evolution FTW.
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wow, you're just looking for a fight, aren't you?
PSYCO829
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really?
reading that statement, id say i did
yeah, my bad
you just really ticked me off by constantly picking at that one sore spot in my life
im sorry
arent i always
ryanvergel
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If I did believe in God, I wouldn't worship Him.
Lucifer was right- non serviam. I am flawed if I'm not free.
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Whaaaaaaat?
This whole thing is about faith. You can't know one way or another- so either have faith that he doesn't exist, or that he does exist. Or... go agnostic and plead the fifth.
Lucifer was right- non serviam. I am flawed if I'm not free.
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Whaaaaaaat?
This whole thing is about faith. You can't know one way or another- so either have faith that he doesn't exist, or that he does exist. Or... go agnostic and plead the fifth.
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Deuteronomy 30:19: Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh; that you would choose life, that you and your descendants might live.
ryanvergel said:
However, going agnostic doesn't help you if God is real, as you must choose one or the other.
I picture it like this:
It's 'Dean's' birthday. He's opened all the presents except for one, which is in the hands of Jesus. Jesus walks over to 'Dean' and says "Please, take this gift and open it, for it is your salvation."
Dean replies: "I don't really know. I don't understand whether you exist or not, so I'm going to decide later whether to take the gift or not."
Dean continues to live his life, and Jesus follows him, still extending the package, still asking for Dean to take it. Suddenly, Dean dies (it doesn't really matter from what, drive-by shooting, cancer, heart attack, you name it) Unfortunately, by constantly saying "I'll choose later." he had in fact made his choice, and did not accept the gift.
That's what happens to agnostics when they die. (if God is real, which I believe He is)
Now, before my internet dies again, I will post the writings I was going to post this morning:
Yeah, that's what I was getting at with my example of the FSM.
Marril said:
Did you read the examples I gave earlier? I mentioned many verses that involve a loving OT God.
Would you like to give me some examples of a merciless OT God that proves your point?
Or an only Loving NT God.
I tell you, even though in some instances He is wrathful, and in some He is loving, it doesn't mean He changed from mostly wrathful to mostly loving. they are just 2 sides of a whole.
Marril said:
Well, that's your view and I have mine.
PSYCO289 said:
Could you give me a few examples?
Besides, in 1 Timothy 2:3-4; (there is a verse that directly leads up to this one talking about prayer) This is good and pleases God our Savior. 4 For He wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth.
He would not smite you for hating Him, because He wants to save you.
Indeed. (in deep manly voice)
ixidor89
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Another rational explanation is that the change in nature is part of a larger agenda. Perhaps Christianity wouldn't have spread if the Jews hadn't agreed to live under a much more strict lifestyle earlier. That, of course, is speculation, but it demonstrates that a perfect God can change nature.
I don't really think that we can legitimately question the nature of a supreme being which, assuming that he exists, probably has a much better vantage point from which to make decisions. We can only choose to accept what we read as fact, or decide what we read is false. The people who believe have no business judging the conclusions of those who think otherwise because they make their decisions based off of evidence. The people who don't believe cannot judge what the believers think because their beliefs are based off of faith, not evidence.
PSYCO829
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of what?
he wants to save me, but would sentance me to an eternity of suffering in a pit of fire for defying him and refusing to worship?
not a nice guy...
and honestly, dont take offence, but quoting the bible means nothing to me
i dont believe the bible is gods work, nor do i believe he had a hand in it
there are so many blatant holes in it, its insane
no offence, but i take what people believe more seriously than the bible
Lucario4ever
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True but that bible never said were not evolving after we were created. Im a christian and I do belive humans evolved just not from microorganisms though. Darwins fact wasn't that we evovled from monkey or microorganisms it just that we evolved.
Lucario4ever
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Also The Bible isn't a whole book of faith its more half and half your not expected to belive it if you really only read parts that require fait. The Bible can be backed Historically and through geneology theres alot of proof but you can't really put faith in it until you know all of the facts part of the bible.
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They were there but in those days they were considered Behometh? I forgot how to spell it.
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Trust me we did just not from Monkeys or Microorganisms I studied long and hard to decide how im going to live my life. Atheist aren't all wrong like the average height in the thirtys was about 5'7 now its 6'3 If you have studied the Bible thoroughly it never says humans are not going to evolve any further thatn when they were created.
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PSYCO829
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behemoth, you were close
the behemoth is indeed in the bible in the book of job
it describes him to be a grazer
as we know, there were many dinosaurs in the bible who were carniviors
Lucario4ever
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I'll go check also dinosaurs weren't all in one place different types in different areas.
Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of some very American values (excess, idleness, etc; that stuff about homosexuality was a later interpretation), yet he's apparently fit to show America mercy.
Good for you. But in this instance of "irreducible complexity", we're talking about facts, not belief, which gives me the ability to say definitively that I'm right and you're wrong.
Good. Because we didn't evolve from slime (you're thinking of the abiogenesis they depict in the last episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, which has nothing to do with evolution). We evolved from hominids similar to apes. There are fossil records proving this.
Yes, there is proof that people mentioned in the bible existed, but there is no evidence that a god had anything to do with them.
1) Absence of proof is not proof of absence.
2) I don't see why a bunch of ancient Hebrew men would even know of evolution, let alone write about it. It's like saying the bible never talks about electrons, therefore they can't exist.
Lucario4ever
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Theres proof that Hominids existed but proof that they evolved to Humans?
After you die were do you think happens?
Creation, one thing had to be there to make everything . everything has to be created so people always go on and on about creation of God. But the big bang what created the star? and from a star rocks etc how the different animals made, water, and etc.
After you die were do you think happens?
Creation, one thing had to be there to make everything . everything has to be created so people always go on and on about creation of God. But the big bang what created the star? and from a star rocks etc how the different animals made, water, and etc.
PSYCO829
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there is more proof of evolution than of creation, as there should be
creation uses faith, which cannot be disproven, only given up by the person who believes in it
thus, evolution has more proof than creation, but if you believe, you are certainly welcome to
just dont shove it at other people (no one in here has yet, im just saying be mindful of others beliefs)
when i die, my life ends
simple, i am gone
the big bang is a pile of BS, on that we agree
the universe is eternal, it always was and always will be
there was always life, it didnt just start anywhere
this is my belief
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