Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

2-3 Claydol: Why does it make sense?

baltoy starts arent the worst ones possible believe me...

but you usually only need 1 claydol to speed through your deck, while 2 isnt bad, but it does take up bench space

i see the understanding behind a 2-3 line, and i will try it out myself ;)
 
vietgamer1021 said:
baltoy starts arent the worst ones possible believe me...

but you usually only need 1 claydol to speed through your deck, while 2 isnt bad, but it does take up bench space

i see the understanding behind a 2-3 line, and i will try it out myself ;)
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If you have something like Leafeon LvX in play, you will get considerable draw with 2+ in play by reducing your hand size between cosmic powers.
 
It doesn't decrease Baltoy start, it makes it easier to get Claydol.
If you were to run 3 Baltoy rather than 2 that would increase you chance of a Baltoy start.
Come on now, it's not really that hard to grasp.
 
What's the math on the increased likelihood on having a claydol in hand by 3 top decks and no opponent mulligans and no draw attacks or draw cards?

Determine if that increased likelihood is worth the extra slot, and if it is, devote 3 slots to claydols instead of 2.
 
Won't the probability be increased by just increasing your bebe/celio count? 4/1 or even 4/2. At least the bebes/celio can get other much needed evolutions.
 
ryanvergel said:
What's the math on the increased likelihood on having a claydol in hand by 3 top decks and no opponent mulligans and no draw attacks or draw cards?

Determine if that increased likelihood is worth the extra slot, and if it is, devote 3 slots to claydols instead of 2.
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Hand of 7 + 3 Top Decks - 1 Basic Pokémon = 9 cards.
Claydols required = not 0.
Claydols in deck: 2;3.

Using the hypergeometric function on Excel:

Chance with 2 Claydol = 28%
Chance with 3 Claydol = 39%

A noticable increase, (though I do not agree the terms ryanvergel submitted accurately reflect the situation).
 
DarkLugia said:
Won't the probability be increased by just increasing your bebe/celio count? 4/1 or even 4/2. At least the bebes/celio can get other much needed evolutions.
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Yes, and while that does help in some situations, it also burns your supporter for your turn, meaning that if you had to bebe's for a claydol intead of having it and then c.p. into a supporter, such as bebe's/roseanne's if you missed it t1, then your about 1/2-1 turn behind where you could otherwise be. Also, 2-3 claydol isn't a new concept at all, and is how most people have been running thier claydol for about 2-3 months.
 
Having 2-3 only helps getting it out by t3/t4 if you topdeck it or draw into it with cards like steven's.

The only other situation would be to use a t2/t3/t4 copycat or TVR or something, but typically people use roseanne/celios/bebes early game.

I think the situation I described wasn't too far off. The justification was that it could help get out claydol very early, but I don't even think that's the case. It will slightly increase the probably of topdecking it early on or drawing into it with TVR/stevens, but that's just about it- and the increased odds aren't that much better. You might get the claydol in hand via topdecking 20% easier pre t-4, but that's kind of a lot for another deck slot.
 
Hmm more cards to increase the chance of drawing it early, then becoming dead later.. getting deja vu here. This is a decent idea. The earlier you get a Claydol makes so much difference, Baltoy's a lot easier to find so playing more Claydol than Baltoy is a feasible options. 1-2 Houndoom was something that was seen quite often in the past to stop Houndour starts.
 
Ryuzaki said:
Hmm more cards to increase the chance of drawing it early, then becoming dead later.. getting deja vu here. This is a decent idea. The earlier you get a Claydol makes so much difference, Baltoy's a lot easier to find so playing more Claydol than Baltoy is a feasible options. 1-2 Houndoom was something that was seen quite often in the past to stop Houndour starts.
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1-2 is different than 2-3 because in 1-2 it means that you have a much lower chance of having both evolutions prized, while still getting use out of the pokemon as long as your basic isn't prized (10% chance).

2-3 is a slightly different beast. It's another slot for a very low chance of increasing your ability to topdeck it early on.
 
Yeah its definitely different, but somewhat comparable, at least in that its x->x. 1-2 is generally only ever used when starting w/that basic is seriously detrimental to the deck.
 
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