Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

All Star Mode on SSBM

APT - Stop wasting breath on Myn Donos, he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.
Phazon Elite - You certainly can charge a smash attack with C-Stick, you just need the help from another button.
Myn Donos - APT was right about you, because no SSBM veteran will ever say something negative about C-Stick. The C-Stick is so valuable to high level competition, I can honestly say that only two of the top eight characters in the game right now doesn't heavily rely on the C-Stick. And those characters are Jiggs and Falco.
And do you know who is the person that almost can't live without the C-Stick, "1337 master of SSBM"?

And what makes you think that it's a noob tool? Because of your own personal opinion and preferance? So you could play without the stick, congratulations, do you want a prize or something? And please stop calling yourself good until we can see some proof. I know, why don't you take my SSBM test, and we will all see how good you really are.

You call it a crutch, I call it a god-sent gift. You say that the stick is hard to reach, and yet you are calling us uncoordinate? What's with you people and your double standards? The C-Stick is just as important to the game as the A and B buttons, and not a side-item that unskilled players rely on. By using the C-Stick, I can control my DIs and Fastfalls better. And if I can switch between the buttons without and problem, then what is wrong with it? Because YOU said so?

Honestly, next time please do a little research before you post something idiotic.
 
please ppl the best way to play is without items which you all prolly do,and the c-stick is aight just use R and L to dodge roll in air and on on ground. Myn donos you're a noob, you say link is the best to use for all-star theres no difference with link in all star than there is in any other mode, good players should stick with one character train with him and play with him till you decide another ones better, personally i think link is too basic i used to play with him then i realized marth is much faster and stronger. Marth, Roy, Mewtwo, Samus, and Young Link are the best picks
 
Ancient Pokemon Trainer said:
That's your opinion then. You can't just say as a fact, "it's a noob tool." You may THINK it is, but that's just an opinion. Besides, takes longer to do -->/<-- + A then the c-stick. C-stick just makes the attack faster.
Click to expand...

when you have to move your thumb from the a button or b button tot he c-stick and back, has that accomplished anything remotely faster then keeping your fingers where they were origenally? that is what i would like to know.

CardRaider said:
APT - Stop wasting breath on Myn Donos, he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.
Phazon Elite - You certainly can charge a smash attack with C-Stick, you just need the help from another button.
Myn Donos - APT was right about you, because no SSBM veteran will ever say something negative about C-Stick. The C-Stick is so valuable to high level competition, I can honestly say that only two of the top eight characters in the game right now doesn't heavily rely on the C-Stick. And those characters are Jiggs and Falco.
And do you know who is the person that almost can't live without the C-Stick, "1337 master of SSBM"?

And what makes you think that it's a noob tool? Because of your own personal opinion and preferance? So you could play without the stick, congratulations, do you want a prize or something? And please stop calling yourself good until we can see some proof. I know, why don't you take my SSBM test, and we will all see how good you really are.
Click to expand...

ill play anyone and give them a run for their money, or just flat out take them down. C-stick isnt a gift, it takes jsut as long to accomlish a move with it(if not longer since you have to move your thumb from one part of the controller to another) then it would to jsut have some coordination. I will say that i wont use it, its unnecassary. would you use a 20 lbs sledge hammer to hit a nail into the wall? no, you wouldnt, its pointless to do more work than is necassary. and the tournaments we hold here in colorado(utah and cali as wel), are random. they range from straight up melee, to facing down Computer AI as well as humans(as if 2 level nine's even affected the game in a match) to all items, to no items, to one map, to random maps.

i got BORED with the game, even the last battle for the final destination map i wont take more tahn 20 damage on anymore, its pathetic. 3 level 9's? no, they lose as well, sure they are mere level 9's if they went higher, i would defiantely play them, and maybe have some challenge(no items, final destination so they can't run, and neither can i) i scoff at this "high level of compitition" part, all play is competitive, you strive to be the best. you use tools you have at your disposal, if you want to use the c-stick go for it, but a god send? not even close in my book.

you found a Veteran who will say something negative about the C-stick. Also, no Digital camera, we do have 35 MM Camera if you dont mind Still photos instead of a video.

Just so you know, the C-Stick i refer to, is the Actual C-stick, that has a C on it(hence it being a C-stick) and that would be yellow, the one for your right hand, the left one is how you move, left right up down(up can also be x and y) and if memory serves, the yellow c-stick serves no purpose in the game whatsoever. so i presume you guys are referring to the left one. in that case, i use that one, but not the C( hence it being CALLED!!!!! a C!!!!! stick)stick

the old n-64 controller had a C-pad, the C-stick repalced it.
 
Last edited:
*Throws fuel into fire*
The C-Stick is not a "noob" tool. It is a "noob" tool when it is used inappropriately.

C-Stick
Advantages: Undeinably faster, you can smash backwards without having to manually turn around.
Disadvantages: Less damage output, you're faced with the same lag after a smash regardless of whether or not you charged it.

A-Smash
Advantages: Some characters do as much as double damage on a charge smash
Disadvantages: Unless you're edge-guarding, an A-smash is wasted time seeing as chances are, your foe is capable of dodging a stationary, glowing you.

Conclusion? For edge-guarding, a well-timed A-smash is the way to go. For virtually everything else, the C-stick's faster execution is champion.

As for the original thread topic, I'd like to note that not all characters are equal.
Top:
Sheik
Fox
Marth

Upper:
Peach
Falco
C. Falcon
Samus

High:
Jigglypuff
Dr. Mario
Ganondorf
Mario
Ice Climbers

Mid:
Luigi
Link
Roy
DK
Pikachu
Zelda

Low:
Ness
Young Link
Yoshi
Kirby
Mr. Game & Watch
Bowser

Bottom:
Mewtwo
Pichu
Click to expand...
Generally speaking, as by asking this thread you've demonstrated that you have not yet chosen a character to play exclusively, the higher up you go the better the threshold to be effective.

Although, seeing as you're playing against computers, just pick someone heavier than the medium weight line (Dr. Mario and Mario make up said line) with good smash moves.

EDIT: The logic behind anti-terists is astounding. 24 characters with entirely different moves -- how are some not better than others?
 
heh theoretically fox would be the best character, but it is not humanly possible to use him to his max with infintes and ya. thats why sheik is top and marth is up there
 
Actually I think the C stick is a part of the game meant to be there for quick attacks. If you choose not to utalize it and win with it that's your choice. I remember Moss Factor posting something on this a while ago about people being Cheap is really just the other persons choice. Just my 2cents.:thumb:

Oh and I just beat All-Star on Very Hard mode with Roy, and I unlocked a Mew trophy.:clap:
 
im decently good at ssbm, and i use mario, mewtwo( i know, i know, dont say"wow, thats random", ive heard it too many times)link/young link(im at the same level with both, since the buttons do the same things)and sometimes falco.

as for the c-stick:no.no.no. the answer is no c-stick. i personally feel that it takes longer to use it, especially if you dont use it often, because you have to remember whi direction does what.(up, o wait down, no, left?)the buttons just seem easier to me, and a bit quicker. i am not downing anyone who uses it, i am just saying, well, to me its kinda a useless n00b tool that takes longer, can't be charged so does less damage, and is generally harder to use.i dont want to offend anyone, but seriosly, think about it, you know im right.if you dont belive me, i play competitevly(i usuallly take 3rd and sometimes 2nd)and feel this way.and if thats not enough, JUAN MORALAS here on the 'gym is an expert at the game and doesn't use it, plays competitivly, and owns everyones faces in las vegas. he wins practicly all the tournaments he enters, and wins a lot of things from it, if you dont believe me on this, ask him next time he logs on, although he doesn't much anymore.......


anyway,ive expressed my thoughts on the c-stick and stand by what i said, and i hope my char info helps anyone loooking for good chars to put some practice into.
 
CardRaider said:
You are a Marth maniac, and yet you criticize people for using C-Stick? Yeesh... talk about a double standard.

"Just about every Melée character is fairly well balanced"

Just by looking at that, I know that you are very inexperienced with high-level competitive play. Ever seen a Fox do an infinite on someone? Would you call that balanced compared to someone like Bowser? Some characters are not suited for Multiplayer battle, like Jiggs, while some are very skilled at it, like Peach.

And what's wrong with using C-Stick? NOTHING. I would rather use C-Stick with Peach after a Float-Cancelled DAir than trying to do it manually. And also, with C Falcon, instead of risking the chance of double-jumping while trying to juggle with SHFFL'd UAir, C-Stick can guarantee a successful UAir.

And who says that I'm complaining about items? I meant that my fighting style does not rely on cheap items, which can hinder yourself in some situations. You would probably understand that, if you have had experienced making the last level on Very Hard All-Star, but only to have a Crate drop on you and kill you.
Click to expand...

Forgive me for backing up so far in the argument, but I haven't had much PC access lately and this is addressed to me.


I use Marth not because he is high tier or overpowered (which I can easily see that he is), but because I enjoy his fighting style. I've been using Marth ever since I unlocked him, before his potential (or anyone's, really) was uncovered. What a coincidence that he turned out so good, huh?

I agree about the C-stick for D.Air; it's a godsend for my Marth since my KO potential against most of my RL opponents is so reliant on spike attacks. I still try to avoid using it...

The main thing I see when I see people using the C-stick is people who are incapable of Smashing normally. I know people who are on the way to perfect SHFFL movements that have difficulty doing a forward smash =/ hence, my disapproval of its use.

Please note that I said 'just about' and 'fairly well' in my statement. I'm acutely aware of the ridiculous power of Sheik and Fox, considering I play Marth who, at least on my play level, has a rather rough time against those two (I'm not quite there yet on wavedashing, I can do it but I'm terrible at using it for attacks).

I have, however, attended one tournament in Orlando which included some damn fine players, and the quarterfinals actually included a Link, a Ness, and a DK, all of whom are considered fairly low tier. The Ness actually made it to the Semifinals and lost to the tourney winner (Sheik). The same thing happens in Guilty Gear, too. People who work hard on their play with "low tier" characters can succeed.


By the way, yes, I've cleared VH Allstar. The forward-A smash that should've won me the final the first time I got to it hit a bob-omb. GG.
 
wow ppl r argiung over a game!!! I think that's pretty funny!! Anyway Link is one of the best character's for all-Stars!! And I think the C-stick is very UNuseful!!! It's better to just got > A the C! The reason I h8 the stick is I like to charge up my attacks to do that extra amount of damamge!! But that's just my opoin... ( I no my spelling's bad shut it!!)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top