Anti Empo/Kingdra

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by kaworu, Jun 25, 2008.

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  1. kaworu

    kaworu New Member

    With Empoleon MD and the new Kingdra being most probably the 2 of the best decks next season I was wondering if there was a solid Lightning deck (that still holds it's own against other decks) that will beat these 2 hands down.

    Much in the same way these 2 will make Magmortar extinct.

    P.S. Don't just post:


    post what pokemon, what set, what it works with etc

  2. elway

    elway New Member

    About Kingdra(most overhyped card of next set), I'm thinking to destroy his main source of drawing and hand. I'm presume most of Kingdra deck will use claydol so deck that can snipe or have gust of wind effect ( don't forget victrebell, cradily, and metagross in next set too) will work great too.

    For depleting hand, absol and aipom( rarely used card but it's good for his 2 card discard) can work nicely.

    About Empoleon, some of people already teched dugtrio cg(bench protect) and it's worked great .After rotation, you can use bastiodon but it's fossil so it's your preference to use it or not.

    That's my opinion for now, hope it helps.
  3. Jason

    Jason New Member

    There's always Tentacruel/Lanturn combo which will pick water energies out of discard messing up their strategy...
  4. Blaziken 1111

    Blaziken 1111 Active Member

    But then your not getting enough ko's. Then Kingdra is spreading and doing 60 and 2HKO everything.

    But I think lanturn would be a good card in a spread deck. Because it's first attack can spread a lot of damge. Also it's second attack can provide the power for a spread deck.

    Also empoleon won't be used as much this next season because there are so many better spreading cards besides empoleon. AMU will be popular though for some reason. Luxray can really hurt that.
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2008
  5. Black Mamba

    Black Mamba New Member

    Have you ever actually tried using dugtrio cg to combat empoleon? It really isn't as effective as most people make it out to be.

    I'm not so sure about Lanturn/Tentacruel yet, but I'll definitely give it a try (at least for league play) when they come out.
  6. flariados

    flariados New Member

    Tentacruel/Lanturn is a good deck and I tested it against Kingdra and it works well against Kingdra.
  7. yoyofsho16

    yoyofsho16 New Member

    This is next season, Dugtrio won't even exist.

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    But how would it do against other decks?

    More than likely, not very well.

    I am 99% certain that Kingdra will be the BDIF for at least Fall Battle Roads, until another set comes out, opening up the options.
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2008
  8. Jason

    Jason New Member

    Gaint Wall Bastiodon, anyone? :)
  9. flariados

    flariados New Member

    I did not really test it against other decks but the deck runs well and the spreading damage adds up pretty quickly.
  10. dave628

    dave628 New Member

    you could try maxing out wager; have at least 3 tg mars and 3 absol. the strategy works as long as they do not have claydol out.
  11. Blaziken 1111

    Blaziken 1111 Active Member

    But once they do Absol helps get energy out of their hand and mars doesn't do a thing.
  12. mrdraz07

    mrdraz07 New Member

    I've heard Kingdra loses to Plox/GG.
  13. yoyofsho16

    yoyofsho16 New Member

    I've heard PLox/GG will have no usage next year anyways without DRE.
  14. Rahman

    Rahman New Member

    Magmortar isn't really played anymore becasue of the Empoleon spread and omastar. It can pick up Magmortar and leave Magmar with a Scramble, discarding it.
  15. otani_ryu

    otani_ryu New Member

    Kingdra can not beat new Dusknoir
    In Japan, Several Dusknoir is and will be provided.
    Below Dusknoir already provided as PROMO cards.

    - Dusknoir
    PP : Darkhide
    This PP only use once a turn.
    Flip a coin. If heads, you see oponents hands and choose a Pokemon card and put this card to bottom of oponents library.
    This PP can not use, if this Pokemon is special conditions.
    Supramundane Pulse
    Psy, Psy, NonColor 70
    Choose 2 damage counter of this pokemon and move these to oppoments benched pokemon.
    (If Oponents have no benched pokemon, this effect is not happen.)

    Kingdra can not beat this Dusknoir.
  16. V_For_Vendetta

    V_For_Vendetta New Member

    Electivire can take care of both, as long as you provide him with secondary energy acceleration.
    Leafeon does well too, and a tech Jolteon just makes it a cakewalk once you setup.
  17. mrdraz07

    mrdraz07 New Member

    I think anything with water resistance is pretty good. The big problem against Kingdra is that it can 2hit anything from turn 2 onwards, and there's hardly any recovery time. If you take away the 2hko capability, you have more time to set up.

    Leafeon fits the bill pretty well. With PP/Buck's it can 2hit Kingdras with Leaf Guard, which means it's only taking 10 if they choose to discard.
  18. Yoshi-

    Yoshi- New Member

    I've heard you should listen more carefully next time ;)
  19. ShadowGuard

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    Eeveelutions and Garchomp increase in power next season, and Kingdra should have a hard time against both of them. You may laugh at me, but I also see Bellossom/Vileplume as a viable deck (in swarm style like Beedrill) and a good counter against Kingdra.

    Empoleon won't be superior any more without Scramble Energy. It can still be a good deck, but not one of the best two in format.

    Kingdra can easily beat this Dusknoir in a format without DRE.

    With HP-on ressources, Dusknoir would be one of the greatest cards (not only because it would beat Plox at any time), but in DP-on, I don't think there will be a really strong deck with it until the Lv.X Dusknoir has released.
  20. im9today

    im9today New Member

    Manectric/Togekiss. That's all you need.

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