Blissey Annoying You? The best techs to bring it down...

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  1. Dante63s

    Dante63s New Member

    Blissey, the big Pokémon that has 130HP, is not immortal, it’s just another card, that is good, but not invincible. First lets look at the possible variants of Blissey.

    Article by: Dante63s
    Title: The best tech vs. Blissey
    Date: October 15, 2007
    Latest set released: MT
    Current Format: HP-ON

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    Blissey/Lucario
    Blissey/Delcatty
    Blissey/Electivire
    Blissey/Machamp
    Blissey/Raichu
    Blissey/Exeggutor
    Blissey/Empoleon
    T2 Blissey

    There are even more than does, but their not that good, Blissey being a colorless Pokémon, makes it fit in any deck, of course it will work better in certain combinations. The best builds of Blissey, play Cessation Crystal or/and Battle Frontier.
    Blissey is fast, it’s a big T2 Pokémon that will rock you easily. But decks like Mario have great advantage over Blissey, because if Mario gets the start, they can get 50 damage on Chansey that would most likely get Mario, T2 KO. Blissey’s weakness already got a solution with Holon FF, but anti-Blissey decks play ER2, also Crystal Beach helps vs. Blissey.

    The Top cards vs. Blissey

    If you know of any that are not listed, please post it, if it’s good I will add it.

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    Crystal Beach: Blissey’s attack is not the best, cause it requires 8 energies to do 100 damage. With Boost energy counting as 3, Crystal Beach indeed will help. Some Blissey deck play stadiums like: Battle Frontier, Holon Legacy, Speed Stadium, Drake's Stadium. So they could easily brake your stadium. Playing will help vs. most of the current meta game, Infercatty, Hurricane, Queendom, Rick-Tune, Mario, Elecitivire, Empoleon, what deck does not play DRE/Scramble/Boost? Playing this might limit your energy resource also. But certain Lucario decks can fit this card in.

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    Lake Boundary + Any Fighting Pokémon:
    Any Pokémon that can OHKO Blissey will have some advantage, of course Blissey usually is T2 deck, so fast setup is needed. Our options ( I only list the ones that can OHKO, with the stadium):

    Lucario Lv X
    Groudon Ex CG
    Kindra Ex DF
    Medicham DP
    Armaldo d HP (You cant play any supporters, so this is not good)

    Heres the list of Pokémon that can KO it, if Blissey has already 10 damage, or with one Plus Power or Strength Charm:

    Machamp DP ( If heads it's OHKO)
    Machamp PK ( If heads it's OHKO)
    Meganium d DF
    Whiscash HP
    Armaldo PK
    Rhydon DP
    Claydol Ex
    Blastoise d CG
    Dugtrio CG

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    Lucario Lv X + Lake Boundary: Blissey is good for it’s 130HP, Blissey stores a lot of energy, if you can OHKO it you will win in most cases. Not only that you can OHKO 2 Blissey's in a row, because of Lucario's Poke-Power, Stance. If your deck can afford TSD (NM can also work) you will have even more advantage, you can repeat the process, if you play Lucario Lv X, then you will also have Riolu has your starter sometimes, if you start and get heads, then you might win the game!!! I say this because Blissey deck dint play many basic Pokémon ( Excluding Blissey/Electivire that plays many Basic Pokémon, but they all have weakness to the Lucario line). But never count on it, I mean never make a deck that will win, only if your rival does not have more basic Pokémon.

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    Medicham DP: Does not stay back from Lucario Lv X, Medicham can archive a OHKO at the cost of 2 damage counters, it combines well with it's first attack, not only that the best benefit is that you can use DRE and still get the OHKO, thanks to that you can still have some speed to keep up with Blissey. One good Medicham deck could easily beat some os the Blissey built, example: Solo Blssey, Blissey/Electivire and Blissey/Delcatty of course the whole meta game is not BLISSEY but most of it is. So you will need some backup plan.
    Some of the Blissey deck play Holon FF, in that case you will need to play ER2.

    Any Pokémon with colorless resistance:
    Blissey's damage, is limited by the quantity on energy it has, having resistance will make it need more energy, even do Blissey can play Holon FF, you can counter it with ER2. Most of the Pokémon that are Resistance to colorless, are psychic Pokémon, this means it will also help tremendously vs. Lucario, here the list:

    Drifblim line DP
    Dusknoir line DP
    Gengar line DP
    Mismagius line DP
    Sableye HP
    Sableye CG
    Sableye PK

    Out of that list, we get...

    The best TECH vs. Blissey
    As a TECH it can fit in every single deck.

    Yup, Sableye is the best tech vs. Blissey, it’s not just good against it, it’s good with it!

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    Sableye, is not to KO Blissey, it's great simply to stall the game and give you the time you need to setup, why is it good? Because of it's attack, Disable, as you can see Blissey only has one attack and a huge retreat cost of CCC, so they will have to sacrifice 3 energies to attack and even if they do retreat and send up another Blissey, you have resistance, so they Will need to hit 90 damage, of course in most of the Blissey variants, Blissey has a partner. So they can avoid Sableye's resistance, there are also cards like Switch and Warp Point that can avoid it's attack.
    Sableye does not just help vs. Pokémon with one attack (example: Electivire, Flygon Ex, Gardevoir Ex, Nidoqueen, etc.) in every case, a Pokémon has a better attack than the other, or if one Pokémon does not have enough energy, you can Disable the one he can use. Also remember that Disable does 10 damage, so this can work has Plus Power/Strength Charm, mean while you are powering up one of your bench Pokémon.
    Sableye also has a Poke-Power that he really helpful, if helps you get the top decking you need, and not only that it combos with Blissey :lol:, yes it helps get basic energy in the discard early game, it also combos with Delcatty Ex, Magneton PK, etc. So it's not just good vs. Blissey, it's good with it.

    Special thanks to Prime, for giving better ideas!!!
    Well this article has come to it's end, I hope you like it, as much as I did writing it, any ideas will be the most welcomed!


    Thanks for your time:thumb:
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2007
  2. spoinkmaster

    spoinkmaster New Member

    Sableye is actually terrible against Blissey, it gives Blissey the chance to power up benched ones, or Switch to an FF+Fighting one for a free prize. Stalling doesn't beat Blissey. And Drake's Stadium + 4 Potion makes it so Sableye does nothing to me.

    Stadiums are useless against a good list, and I usually hit FF turn 2. So Fighting is just like Normal to me. GL beating Blissey, but none of this will do it.
     
  3. KingGengar

    KingGengar New Member

    Dante, good effort, dude! I often find myself making lists of "things which work against the metagame."
     
  4. Ardoptres

    Ardoptres New Member

    If you count a pokemon like Medischam in, why not just say that every fighting Pokemon that does 70+ is a good tech against Blissey.. =/
     
  5. Jason

    Jason New Member

    awesome article Dante.

    sableye cant disable when your opponent Blissey have a WP and a water...
     
  6. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    If you have to use Sableye, you've already lost.
     
  7. Lewix

    Lewix New Member

    Like Jason said, WP kills Sableye with either a Psychic or a Water Energy... And you'll probably find some in most Blissey decks. Although Sableye is nice to stall with if you need it ^^.
    Nice article anyway.
     
  8. PSYCO829

    PSYCO829 New Member

    with the exception of sableye, every single one of these counters is shot down by blissey with holon ff
    literally, all of them
    no weakness shoots down all fighting pokemon, no resistance shoots down all ghost

    sableye is a good tech, but since it only deals 10 damage, it really isnt all that useful
    ive seen sableye in blissey to counter other blissey decks, and it works

    good article, but every blissey deck ive seen so far has counters to your counters, with the exception of sableye
     
  9. Umbreon777

    Umbreon777 New Member

    MAJOR kudos to you Dante63s. :thumb:

    Maybe now people will shut up about how Blissey is broken.
     
  10. Hatter™

    Hatter™ Active Member

    Too bad Blissey can counter everything you posted...
    Sableye not best tech v blissey.
    If i had to choose one I would say it is Machamp Power Keepers. You get a guranteed 70 damage for 2 energy out of it no matter what the blissey has on it. It gets around Drake, FF,Buffer, etc.
     
  11. PSYCO829

    PSYCO829 New Member

    there is no reliable tech against blissy in the same way there was no reliable tech for metanite or LBS before that
    the most reliable tech is the one in your mind, you playing better than your opponent beats out any tech any day
     
  12. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    Actually, Machamp wouldn't get around FF, as FF does not directly modify the damage done.

    I'll post this in ATM, but I'm almost 100% positive that the above is true.

    BTW, Blissey can still run around happily if what the thread poster says is taken to heart by everyone. Nothing he listed is all that horrifying; Everything Fighting can be countered by FF, and almost everything with a Colorless Resistance just places damage counters, so they're countered by WP. However, had he listed Gallade SW, one could not help but to agree with the man.
     
  13. Prime

    Prime Content Developer<br>Blog Admin<br>Contest Host

    Explain to me how Electivire/Blissey, Lucario/Blissey and pretty much any non-Delcatty, water poke, or solo build can run Holon WP and Water energy and use if effectively? Or those same builds running Holon Energy FF and Fire energy?

    Any tech could be useless if Blissey decks could use all the holon energies effectively regardless of build.
     
  14. desert eagle

    desert eagle New Member

    Blissey beats Mario on the basis of consistency alone. I've never dropped a game to Mario yet, as I setup 90-95% of the time and their setup is usually garbage or way too slow to deal with Blissey.

    My 3 losses with Blissey this season were to:

    Ramen TRUK vs Pickup TRUK (where he got fast blisseys and draw and I had no supporters for SEVEN turns mid game, causing me to run out of steam and lose by one prize);

    Finals vs the same guy (My Riolu got t2'd by his Blissey/Boost; I went on to win the next 2 games in that best of 3 easily, when my deck got the chance to play out properly)

    Ramen TRUK vs Lukedrio: I open the game with no supporters and 6-7 turns in, I lose my Blisseys to his Lucarios turn 3-4 without drawing a single supporter until the last turn where I used Steven's Advice for 2, which made no difference.

    I've beaten countless fighting decks during BRs, its not a big problem at all.
     
  15. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    I forgot to mention that I was only referring to BlissCatty and Speed Blissey (only two variants which I actually have experience with). The two decks you described may be able to use WP, but I would not know that.

    After further contemplation, one doesn't even NEED WP to counter almost everything the OP said. You could just put a few :fighting: in your FF Blissey deck, and every single card the OP listed, except Sableye, will lose its status as a Blissey counter.
     
  16. Hatter™

    Hatter™ Active Member

  17. spoinkmaster

    spoinkmaster New Member

    But, Blissey is broken. =\

    And, all of Dante's articles aren't that great... but this one.... Why counter something that can counter your counters?!
     
  18. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    Hey, you gotta give him credit for at least posting something.

    Edit. I'm actually starting to feel sorry for the guy. He's trying to help and he's getting put down and laughed at as a result. >_<

    That's not cool.

    Also, noooooez @ Hater, err, Hatter. lol
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2007
  19. Prime

    Prime Content Developer<br>Blog Admin<br>Contest Host

    That's correct Phazon Elite. None of the elite players are trying at all to give back to the online community and post articles, and then when someone does, they get picked on because their lists aren't that great or their ideas aren't that great. At least this person is contributing more than anyone else is. That's been true for quite a while actually. It's very sad, and I wish something would change, but it won't as long as people only care about winning and nothing else.
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2007
  20. Hatter™

    Hatter™ Active Member

    Phazon: You've been HATTERED....

    Anyway, ya don't be so hard on the guy. The criticism I see coming from this article is that Blissey can pretty much counter anything that's dished out at it, so all of these counters can fail, which is pretty amazing IMO.
     

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