Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

CHanged topid!! Blastoise >what??

I have a winning record vs Rock-Lock as no Pidgeot really hurts the deck.
The deck can basically beat anything with an Early Mudslide on Pidgeot. Most matchups it doesn't even need that fast start to win, but vs rl and Queen and some others it does.
By states it will be proven how good or popular Blastoise is.
 
Dark Sneasel said:
OMG peopel are so mature.

What do we consider the first person to create the deck? The firts person to play it at tourney? The first person to leaksack to the world on Pokegym? THe first person to look at the 2 cards at the same time and say wow?


I mena no offense give me a break who gives a rats behind. I mena its liek sayign you invented the idea of Dark ELectrode with Drak Draggy. But accordign to some peopel we need to mark this in the Pokemon history books. I mean this event in pokemon history is abotu as big a Chuck winning 2002 worlds championship- Itdoesnt matter. So mods might as well lockthis cause its just gunna get flamed and peopel are gunna get bashed.Im out.
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People like YOU are the immature ones Patrick. You even came on THIS gym and ran your mouth about his trainer engine ( primes thread) - one you had NO idea existed until ERIC and ME showed you it to you at Brad's ( NEVER AGAIN either Patrick , your a no talent scrub who brings NOTHING to the table)! .A trainer engine you still don't quite understand either i bet. You were like some bottom feeder watching us play, asking us questions,stealing ideas, just being Patrick. OUR BAD !

Whats your most ingenious creation? Piloswine? roflmao!!! You even went to Team R site and INSISTED YOU created Ross's worlds deck! YOU?!?! Please! When did you play it ( i at least won a cities with it 1st of last year and lay NO claims to anything!).

Prime: Who cares? Not you. You took Jeff Reynold's deck and passed it on as your own. Typical. B.t.w., are you related to Patrick ?

Alex: ( pandacrap)"It's not that good anyways" ? Play a properly built one and get back to me.

As for the rest of you, most are correct. Who really cares who "invented " it. I can say this though, ERIC CRAIG was the 1st to show me this combo ( and he has had it for a while) . Him and Ross have exchanged lists and ideas so i have no idea who actually came up with it 1st. And i don't care either. Kudos to both of them!

And i have to also agree with Ryan, he shouldn't have leaked this deck to ANYONE ( me included lol ) .
IMO, it is that good when set. Time will tell though.

~ John ~



ps, Sami's correct Gin - who really cares lol
 
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I heard that Kitten Genocide was one of the first to use this Idea and that Eric Craig copied it. I'm not going to say who told me this but I just know.
 
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tecdecs said:
ok this deck beats ludi because steelix can do 100 to KO any of thier pokemon and if they bring up magcargo just bring up blasty.

this deck has a hard time against queen but queen is only good when it has pidgeot without pidgeot its crap so you try to get steelix set up early and KO thier pigeots which is pretty easy since mudslide can hit thier bench. to kill queen just use lugia or blastoise i rather use blastoise in this case because its stronger plus island cave can just take off the toxic.

blasty/steelix/lugia should be able to beat draggy because its big hitter is sneazel ex which is an ex with 90 hp so thats an easy 2 prize for steelix mudslide. and if you tkae out thier dark electrodes with muslide all your left against is draggy which blasty should be able to take on. and the thing that makes draggy strong are the dark energy if you get a couple of heads you can just discard the dark energy off draggy... plus lugia can hit draggy for 400 damage. GG
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Sure, Steelix can do 100 to any poke, but when Ludi gets out a swarm, they could care less about lossing a single Ludi, since LudiCargo is faster. UF Magcargo+Scramble=140 to Steelix, and with the addition of 30 damage last turn, (3 energy rain+H'Trode=Mudslide) Steelix is KOed. Lanturn OHKO Blasty, so do you really want to lose a very important part of your combo?

True, Queen is only good when they only have Pidgeot out, but do you know how incredibly easy it is? In this matchup, Queen will get out two Pidgeots ASAP, just like in ZRE matchup. What then? Queen 2HKO Blasty, and after you hit them with enough Hyper Whirlpools, they will just drop Milotic on you.

Against this matchup, Draggy will first swarm you, since it is faster, then it will change its attacker depending on yours. DTrode+Ruins/R/Strength Charm+4 Dark OHKO Blasty, then it can spread out all the darks, so the loss next turn to Mud Slide will not be significant enough for you to take the lead. Sneasel can be used for cleanup, after your Blasty is killed. What would you do when they Drag Off your lone Steelix while killing your field with Desert Ruins? Lugia OHKO Draggy, but Draggy/Sneasel OHKO Lugia. 2 prizes>1 prize

This is a good deck, but too many decks give it a tough time for it to dominate. The problem is the damage done in the progress of the combo. If you do the combo in one turn, that's 20 to Lugia, 30 to Steelix, or 30 to Blasty. Also, this combo only works when you have an abundance of water in your hand.

GL :wink:
 
Hey John, it's me "pandacrap". You have AIM? I had Steve's but lost it somehow.

Anyway, I did try this deck out. It's a decent deck when setup, but it's autolosses (or almost auto) are nidoqueen, rock lock, ZRE, and medicham which are all heavily played decks

Nidoqueen - 120 hp so steelix doesnt OHKO it, steelix is weak to queen, and lugia can be OHKO'd easily.

Rock Lock - The deck doesn't work w/o blastoise and rock lock will stop it from ever hitting the table.

ZRE - ZRE is probably the fastest deck out and blastoise/steelix takes at least 3 turns to get powered.

Medicham - 'nuff said.

tty guys later.
 
Water Pokemon Master said:
Thirdly, (everyone stop posting in this thread or Blastoise is going to turn into Medicham). It's supposed to be that when Arcanine comes out, it will kill the Scizor, and then Blastoise will rise to beat it!
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And then Cham will beat Blasty/Lugia/Steelix!! Ha ha ha ha!
 
the_sniper ：　what you said is correct 　:2 thumbs up:

CardRaider: This deck does not need ALOT of water in your hand for the combo to work, 2 water and a holon is all you need for steelix or lugia

Pandaboy: The only deck you think is good is machamp so get over it

This blastoise deck packs power just like the old Blaze, 100 to anyone??? The point of the deck is to 100 anything that becomes your threat early or 200 to the active that contains over 100 hp. You DONT use blastoise to attack at all that thing has too much retreat cost and takes too much energy to do jack. 80 for 4?? and 50 %s of removing an energy?? no thanks

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Queendom: like I said you dont use blastoise to atttack at all, not that it has big retreat cost and takes a crap load of energys to attack, you do 80 and they just milotic it. Your stradegy against queeen is just to either mudslide the first pidgeot and admins or 200 the queen when it comes out, Queen might be able to ko Lugia and thats when you just bring out another one and 200 that, they are already down 2 queens so the rest shall be ease

DragTrode: Dark draggy is not a problem at all! its really faster than stoise unless they have a good hand but you dunt use lugia in this match up, you use steelix..... WHy? because their sneasle is the hitter and you just Mudslide that, or mudslide on the pokemon that contains most darks, if they use draggy to attack, they wont do much because it has to have many darks on him to hit for more than 50! and if they do u just switch Lugia.... 400 ohko they lose the darks and the drag, the dark trode is useless because you are resistence to lightning

Medicham: Medicham is a powerful t2 deck which you all know, but in this match up you only focus on stoise and lugia, which isn't that hard, mentor candy and elms, thats all you need against cham because you ohkos them, cham is a one energy a turn deck which is why when the first cham is down, their reovery will take a while

Ludicargo: Ludicargo is not a big problem either, even tho UF magcargo Ohkos steelix because double weakness but if you get an early mudslide on the mags then you basically win here, once you slide, only one slugma is left and if they retreaver then you just kill it against, Ludi can 2hko steelix but steelix will just take out the ludis while you are charging another one on your bench

RockLoock: Rocklock is a deck that really need pidgeot out and if you slide that early then you have taken a big lead, if they pull out the fighting T-tar then you just lugia the T-Tar.

ZRE: ZRE might give it a hard time if they play moltres or if they bomb early and take out your pidgeot but here the deal, they bomb 2 prize, you slide on a ray 2 prize, then they can't bomb again

But we wont know until states and the next set comes out

Thank you

~fan
 
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CardRaider said:
UF Magcargo+Scramble=140 to Steelix
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Your math is a bit off. UF Magcargo is both Fire and Fighting with Scramble. It's attack does 70 to exs, so 70*4=280. It's a OHKO on Steelix ex. No energy rain damage needed.

So, I think Ludi has a favorable match-up in this case. Depending on the build. I may have to try this Blastoise deck out. The only thing thats stopped me is I hate doing 20 a turn to a Lugia (which only has 100 HP to begin with) so it can attack. ;/
 
Professor Chris- I play 4 pokemon park for now for 10 less damamge ( leave pidgeot up and then rain and then retreat)

if you can take 10 or 20 damage and ko a big threat, I believe it is worth it

~fan
 
I agree with Proffesor Chris, Ludicargo has a favorable match-up against that deck if you are running Magcargo UF with 1 or 2 Scramble energy, Lanturn HL with 1 DRE ( one is attach to lanturn by its pokpower ) can kill Blastoise Ex easily and also you can find 1 Koffing 1 Weezing DX as a tech + Desert ruin in some Ludicargos deck and they can beat Lugia Ex, Steelix Ex and Blastoise Ex in that case, all depends on the skill of the trainer. ^_^

Mmm.. I wonder if Dark slowking turn2 has a chance against that Blastoise - lugia - Steelix Ex deck.

Good luck for your battles.
 
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Dietrich said:
I agree with Proffesor Chris, Ludicargo has a favorable match-up against that deck if you are running Magcargo UF with 1 or 2 Scramble energy, Lanturn HL with 1 DRE ( one is attach to lanturn by its pokpower ) can kill Blastoise Ex easily and also you can find 1 Koffing 1 Weezing DX as a tech + Desert ruin in some Ludicargos deck and they can beat Lugia Ex, Steelix Ex and Blastoise Ex in that case, all depends on the skill of the trainer. ^_^

Mmm.. I wonder if Dark slowking turn2 has a chance against that Blastoise - lugia - Steelix Ex deck.

Good luck for your battles.
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Magcargo UF can screw you up, yeah. The problem with Lanturn is that as has been stated Blastoise DOES NOT attack. So Lanturn basically becomes a free prize. Weezing comes up and takes out an ex. The reason this is less effective is because you're taking prizes, but it doesn't slow them down that much. It's easy to set up another line in this deck, and when you take out their active, they can hit you right back because of their ability to dump energy. So unless you can pull off the Weezing + ruins more than once it isn't that viable. Not to mention that in order to even bring the Weezing active you likely either a) briney'd your active, which leaves you one hitter out and less prepared to be sniped again, b) retreated a ludi or something and lost energy, in which case they would probably bring out a steelix and kill whatever DOES have energy on it, or c) had your active knocked out in the first place. Obviously none of these scenarios is favorable for you. SO unless you put a bunch of insane tech in here, the only huge advantage Ludi has is Cargo and pure speed. And if you tech too much, you lose consistancy vs other stuff.

Slowking I guess could win, but it would have to be dealing 80 a turn because once they get ANYTHING you're in trouble. This is where attacking WITH blastoise wouldn't be a horrible idea because they OHKO you.
 
the_sniper said:
People like YOU are the immature ones Patrick. You even came on THIS gym and ran your mouth about his trainer engine ( primes thread) - one you had NO idea existed until ERIC and ME showed you it to you at Brad's ( NEVER AGAIN either Patrick , your a no talent scrub who brings NOTHING to the table)! .A trainer engine you still don't quite understand either i bet. You were like some bottom feeder watching us play, asking us questions,stealing ideas, just being Patrick. OUR BAD !

Whats your most ingenious creation? Piloswine? roflmao!!! You even went to Team R site and INSISTED YOU created Ross's worlds deck! YOU?!?! Please! When did you play it ( i at least won a cities with it 1st of last year and lay NO claims to anything!).

As for the rest of you, most are correct. Who really cares who "invented " it. I can say this though, ERIC CRAIG was the 1st to show me this combo ( and he has had it for a while) . Him and Ross have exchanged lists and ideas so i have no idea who actually came up with it 1st. And i don't care either. Kudos to both of them!

And i have to also agree with Ryan, he shouldn't have leaked this deck to ANYONE ( me included lol ) .
IMO, it is that good when set. Time will tell though.

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Dark Sneasel did have a Tyranitar/Electrode ex deck sometime in June I think that he posted on Neo but it had no influence on my deck, I had never talked to him before worlds. I arrived at a Tyranitar/Electrode deck after testing Exeggutor/Electrode decks. His list didn't have Pidgeot I think and so it did poorly for him.

I have never spoken to Eric Craig. We both (and probably others) found the combo separately and probably have very different lists. It just goes to show you the combo is simple enough it didn't matter if it was leaked, people were gonna find it. Some found it earlier than others.
 
PenguinMaster said:
Magcargo UF can screw you up, yeah. The problem with Lanturn is that as has been stated Blastoise DOES NOT attack. So Lanturn basically becomes a free prize. Weezing comes up and takes out an ex. The reason this is less effective is because you're taking prizes, but it doesn't slow them down that much. It's easy to set up another line in this deck, and when you take out their active, they can hit you right back because of their ability to dump energy. So unless you can pull off the Weezing + ruins more than once it isn't that viable. Not to mention that in order to even bring the Weezing active you likely either a) briney'd your active, which leaves you one hitter out and less prepared to be sniped again, b) retreated a ludi or something and lost energy, in which case they would probably bring out a steelix and kill whatever DOES have energy on it, or c) had your active knocked out in the first place. Obviously none of these scenarios is favorable for you. SO unless you put a bunch of insane tech in here, the only huge advantage Ludi has is Cargo and pure speed. And if you tech too much, you lose consistancy vs other stuff.

Slowking I guess could win, but it would have to be dealing 80 a turn because once they get ANYTHING you're in trouble. This is where attacking WITH blastoise wouldn't be a horrible idea because they OHKO you.
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Lanturn has more uses than simply OHKO'ing 'Stoise. After Magcargo UF takes out Steelix Blastoise's only other option is probably sending in Lugia. After placing 20 damage and DRE'd Lanturn will do you in anyways (well, Ludi can do this too...) and now they only have two prizes left and you probably only have Blastoise and Pidgeot left. I'll stand behind my theory that Ludi has the advantage. With all their Pokemon being only worth one prize a piece and being able to OHKO your deck which is full of exs. Especially if they're able to retriever back the UF Magcargo in case you get the second Steelix. I haven't played the match-up so I could be horribly mistaken. xD I think I will build the deck now, I've been looking for something new to try.
 
the_sniper said:
NO , it's actually aggrivating Ryan.
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John: No one cares if it is going to leak out, because it is going to be anyways. Who was it the one who let his dear friend and son play it at a city?? Who was it the one who started the leak in FLorida?? It was you John, I'm not blaming anything on anybody but Eric did tell you to let it stay underground for the time being, but what did you do? Let a friend play it at a city. Eric didn't care to let the deck out after what you did, thats why he let Miranda played it at the citys. Me and Eric is not mad at you for what you did because we think of you as a friend instead of a enemy, thats why we still show you techs that we come up with. I will see you at clearmont.

~fan
 
It doesn't matter, who played/would hahve played the deck, cause there were other ppl all over the country with the same deck... its not a really obscure combo, it was realized by alot of players. So what if more ppl know about it, it was bound to come out sooner or later (probably before worlds qualifiers)
 
Profesa_Magma said:
It doesn't matter, who played/would hahve played the deck, cause there were other ppl all over the country with the same deck... its not a really obscure combo, it was realized by alot of players. So what if more ppl know about it, it was bound to come out sooner or later (probably before worlds qualifiers)
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THE COMBO IS NOT Lugia/Blastoise/Steelix...

Stop posting unless you KNOW what is being talked about, it's HOW LBS(I call it Pounds) is played. THAT is the real power of the deck. Unless you know what I'm talking about(you only know if you know) then don't act like you do.

Just about everyone who's posted stuff like "it's not an original combo" or "it loses to such and such" doesn't even know the card combos that is being discussed, so stop posting like you do.
 
ryanvergel said:
THE COMBO IS NOT Lugia/Blastoise/Steelix...

Stop posting unless you KNOW what is being talked about, it's HOW LBS(I call it Pounds) is played. THAT is the real power of the deck. Unless you know what I'm talking about(you only know if you know) then don't act like you do.

Just about everyone who's posted stuff like "it's not an original combo" or "it loses to such and such" doesn't even know the card combos that is being discussed, so stop posting like you do.
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Would that include me Ryan? I seriously doubt it. And the "leaking" aggrivates me because Steve and I put HOURS into playtesting learning what certain people can't keep to themselves . This DOES aggrivate me Ryan. Pay your dues- that's the only way to get better IMO.

And remember this Ryan, had i not done what Jin said above, you too would have no clue how the deck runs. I'm still not sure you do, but time will tell ( actually states will tell) . Truth be told though, none of your team R cronies had a clue before i let Aaron, then Steve played it down south. Then of course Patrick acted like Patrick and the rest is history. It's o.k. though, we have 2 REALLY good counters that hold up to the current meta-game as well as beat binder ( i'll show you in Cleremont Jin ). And another set before states as well.

And the binder list we are running ( 3 cards different from Eric's) i know blows away anything i've seen on these boards so far.

Jin, Eric , your correct. I should have just left it in the box. For this I'm truly sorry. We tried to help our friend win a cities - not create the stir we did. I should have known what i was dealing with down there - my bad. Eric wasn't too upset to teach Patrick how to the thing works though .But in hindsight, states would have been a breeze for us had it stayed " in the box" . Again, I'm sorry. Won't happen again I ASSURE you.Talk this weekend.






~ John ~
 
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