Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Dual Ball vs Great Ball

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it's really up to the deck and the discussion is really pointless.

if you have EXs or you need holon's castform/magnemite go for dual.
in all other decks great ball.
 
Ace28 said:
Dual ball is the better card when looked at theoretically saying that you will get Heads 50% of the time. I personally prefer Dual ball over Great ball.
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yes, theoretically, but when you only flip two coins, its not extremely likely that you'll turn out with the average results. two tails HURTS, especially when you need it.
 
It is almost pretty much the same answer from everyone.

As for me, I would generally run 3-4Great Ball. Again (like what everyone else says), if it was an EX heavy deck then Dual Ball would be the one.

However I tend not to play them at all since I have Mentor.
 
This thread is quite pointless. Both are good cards, and it will always depend on the deck. Now, if you were to mention what deck you were trying to fit these into, then there might be some room for discussion. The general consensus will be:
EX's, Castform/Mag/Volt-Dual Ball
Non-EX/non-energy-Great Ball
 
Flareon you forget that flipping coins for some could be considered a skill. I hear that some can flip heads with a significantl;y higher proportion of heads than the 50% expected of the statistician's "fair coin toss".

Coin Flips:- The skill that dare not mention its name!
 
dual ball for lapras, support navagation, get mentor. u can get 4 basics that way. thats why i put in a mentor in my flariados:biggrin:
 
OMG, this thread is soo dumb. Dual ball is the clear choice...do you want to dual ball for a castform? Can you dual ball for an ex? Can you dual ball when you're bench is full? GB is useless in these situation. Making the arugment for getting 2 tails is also pointless. You're going to get 2 tails the same amount of times you can get 2 HEADS. Last time I checked, any 2 basics into you're hand (helps thin the deck to get other needed cards)>1 basic that you're forced to put into play (missing out on some powers as well as not being able to even do it if you have 5 pokes benched already). 1 basic into your hand>1 basic forced onto your bench. 0 basic into you're hand<1 basic onto your bench. Okay, 2-1. Dual ball wins. If you play all of your dual balls, you get 6 basics by the odds (1 2 heads, 2 1 head, 1 0 heads) while you only get 4 with great ball (and all onto your bench). I hope its apprent as to which you should choose.
 
Papi/Manny said:
OMG, this thread is soo dumb. Dual ball is the clear choice...do you want to dual ball for a castform? Can you dual ball for an ex? Can you dual ball when you're bench is full? GB is useless in these situation. Making the arugment for getting 2 tails is also pointless. You're going to get 2 tails the same amount of times you can get 2 HEADS. Last time I checked, any 2 basics into you're hand (helps thin the deck to get other needed cards)>1 basic that you're forced to put into play (missing out on some powers as well as not being able to even do it if you have 5 pokes benched already). 1 basic into your hand>1 basic forced onto your bench. 0 basic into you're hand<1 basic onto your bench. Okay, 2-1. Dual ball wins. If you play all of your dual balls, you get 6 basics by the odds (1 2 heads, 2 1 head, 1 0 heads) while you only get 4 with great ball (and all onto your bench). I hope its apprent as to which you should choose.
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Did you read and comprehend my post? Surely not. You claim that the thread is so dumb, but you've failed to read and/or understand it. Maybe, just maybe, there was something you could have learned.

If you play 4 Dual Balls, your expected number of basics retrieved is 4. With each Dual Ball, you have 25% chance of getting 0 basics, 50% chance of getting 1 basic, and 25% chance of getting 2 basics. That's like with 1 of the four Dual Balls you get 0, with 2 of the 4 Dual Balls you get 1 apiece, and with 1 of the 4 Dual Balls you get 2. Add them and you get 4 basics.

Admittedly, there are uses for Dual Ball (Ex's, Holon Pokes, Lapras), but if you are searching for normal basics, then Great Ball is almost always the better play. The reason for this is that the additional value of getting 2 basics seldom completely compensates you for the diminished value of getting 0 basics.

You can perhaps see this for yourself by considering a hypothetical Dud Ball that gave you 2 basics 50% of the time, and 0 basics 50% of the time. Would you play Dud Ball instead of Great Ball? If the answer is no, then you shouldn’t prefer Dual Ball to Great Ball, since exactly the same trade is being made.
 
Ummm, Dual ball gets you holon's castform. Late game, that is GOD....what can GB do late game??? NOTHING...its pointless to say that GB is better simpley because it has no use at all late game while dual ball can get energy. Dual ball doesn't have limitations, besides missing on a poke 25% of the time, but the risk is definaltely worth it more then a useless GB late game.
 
Papi/Manny said:
Ummm, Dual ball gets you holon's castform. Late game, that is GOD....what can GB do late game??? NOTHING...its pointless to say that GB is better simpley because it has no use at all late game while dual ball can get energy. Dual ball doesn't have limitations, besides missing on a poke 25% of the time, but the risk is definaltely worth it more then a useless GB late game.
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late game it can get you a basic, early game it does the same, mid game it does the same.
 
Ummm, really? If you can still get basics late game that you need on your bench, then you're deck must either play a bizzilion basics or its not set-up...
 
Papi/Manny said:
Ummm, really? If you can still get basics late game that you need on your bench, then you're deck must either play a bizzilion basics or its not set-up...
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It really depends how you play. You may be playing a small bench. There is also such a thing as Farmer...and wouldn't you know that if there's only one basic in your deck, then Great Ball is better without a doubt.

Anyway, you didn't address what I said. Great Ball is better for a normal basic. Who says you are running Castform? Why don't you just admit that for a regular basic that Great Ball is better?
 
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toby, by restricting what you are using the card for it is easy to show that great ball is better than dual ball. But as a general purpose card that can fetch any basic Dual Ball is superior, if only because it lacks all of great balls restrictions.

If I'm making a deck and need a ball to fetch a basic I always start with Dual Ball. If it turns out that I'm not using EX basics, H Castform, Lapras etc then I consider Great Ball. At this point its usually only the choice between a single Dual Ball or a single Great Ball, and under those restricted circumstances I prefer Great Ball. For all other cases I prefer Dual Ball. Two heads early game can be enough to seal your victory or swing a close matchup. Two tails when you are behind makes little difference.
 
NoPoke said:
toby, by restricting what you are using the card for it is easy to show that great ball is better than dual ball. But as a general purpose card that can fetch any basic Dual Ball is superior, if only because it lacks all of great balls restrictions.
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It’s easy to show? Then I must be a complete dolt, because not only have I not been able to show it, but you yourself are about to argue the contrary. If it’s easy to show, then why go into your song and dance in the last two sentences of your post?

Really, being the absolute idiot that I am, I find that it isn’t easy to show anything. The principal reason for this is that people don’t read and understand my posts. I find that many people would rather just assume things than do their homework or even ask questions.

So, did you read and understand my posts? If you did, then why are you arguing with me? If you want to object to anything that I say, please quote me. I am disinclined to defend a phantom position. Go back and look for something to object to. Don’t merely pretend to have something to object to.

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If I'm making a deck and need a ball to fetch a basic I always start with Dual Ball. If it turns out that I'm not using EX basics, H Castform, Lapras etc then I consider Great Ball. At this point its usually only the choice between a single Dual Ball or a single Great Ball, and under those restricted circumstances I prefer Great Ball. For all other cases I prefer Dual Ball. Two heads early game can be enough to seal your victory or swing a close matchup. Two tails when you are behind makes little difference.
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Please take some time to collect your thoughts, and try to state them in a way such that an idiot like me has at least a remote chance of understanding them.
 
Dark_Jirachi said:
What you guys think about this 2 cards.
If you have to fit a 4 of any of these into your deck, which 1 will you choose.
He clearly stated in the start of his thread that he was asking which one of these choice to put into your deck. Since any deck is playable, including decks that run basic exs and holon pokes (and, honestly, alot of decks run at least 1 of these), so clearly, without restrictions, dual ball wins....the only chance of argument is the luck factor, but with 2 flips insteed of 1, it makes the luck factor alot less luck based...
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And did you read how I replied? Why don't you try reading prior to blathering? Once again, if you want to object to something I say, please quote me.
 
toby said:
And did you read how I replied? Why don't you try reading prior to blathering? Once again, if you want to object to something I say, please quote me.
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Okay, I'm quoting you now...blathering???? Great ball has restritions...what if you have a full bench by t5 or something along those lines??? That gives you 2-4 useless cards (I'm going to assume you can pull 2 off in that amount of time without any other drops, ect.). Dual ball can still be used to get other basics...for what??? To thin the deck, giving you better odds to get other cards you need with something like a mary's request or even a copy cat. The simple fact that great ball can't get exs also makes it not that pratical in several decks (mewtric, for instance). It also not being able to net castforms is also another reason why it is not that helpfull in a deck that runs it. When will getting 1 basic help you? If you honestly think about it, the only time two tails would really kill you is if you can't draw cards and/or you don't have a bench.
 
Papi/Manny:

I guess you don't want to have a reasonable debate. I can just arbitrarily start any kind of discussion...


Don't get down on yourself for relishing raw garden snails. I'm sure there are other people, not that I can think of any, that enjoy them, too.

If you want to object to something I say, please quote what it is you're objecting to. The fact that you don't want to do that makes me think that you are not intellectually honest.
 
toby said:
Papi/Manny:

I guess you don't want to have a reasonable debate. I can just arbitrarily start any kind of discussion...


Don't get down on yourself for relishing raw garden snails. I'm sure there are other people, not that I can think of any, that enjoy them, too.

If you want to object to something I say, please quote what it is you're objecting to. The fact that you don't want to do that makes me think that you are not intellectually honest.
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Wow, how about we take this debate to a more reasonable place rather then spaming this thread with the same useless crap...2 points. 1) You haven't given any great reason as to play great ball over dual ball (besides assuming that 2 tails will completely lose you the game, which, if it does, just makes you a pathetic player with a poorly built deck). Dual ball can be played in any deck, great ball can't (well, can but with limited success). Dual ball can net exs, get holon energies, and isn't useless any time of the game. Great ball can't, can't, and is. 2) You don't even know you, so before you going and acting like a massive donkey (don't want to make this a mud fight), go find out about what your talking about before you make yourself seem like a retard. And the reason why I don't go and quote every little thing that you say is because you're not the only person here and, frankly, you're flaws are apparent.
 
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