Eevee RR
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This needs to go to the rule team. The card says exactly "2 cards that evolve from Eevee." It does not say "find 2 evolution cards" so it is a possibility. I believe you can but to get the ruling on it you need to throw this at the Rules team. I went ahead and did anyway because I would like to know honestly.
baby mario
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The LV Xs don't 'evolve' from Eevee they 'level up' Glaceon and Leafeon.
The ruling has already been given in ATRT.
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111235
The ruling has already been given in ATRT.
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111235
But this goes against the pokemon count. The wording says exactly "evolves from" Glaceon lvX and Leafeon lvX are level up cards BUT in the RULE book it says this for the Level X cards.
Appendix A: Pokemon LV.X
Pokemon LV.X count as that Pokemon.
When in play it is the same Evolution Stage of their earlier level.
SO when the wording says "evolves from" you should be able to get the X because it is a Glaceon/Leafeon. Does not say evolution card. I am aware that Level X's are level up cards but it does not specify that they have to be "Evolution Cards" just evolve from Eevee and since you can't have 4 level X cards to play without a basic or evolution card...
Signs of Evolution
Search your deck for up to 2 cards that evolve from eevee, show them to your opponent, and then put them into your hand. Shuffle your deck afterword.
I looked all over the Compendium and found nothing on this. (I might have missed it though)
Appendix A: Pokemon LV.X
Pokemon LV.X count as that Pokemon.
When in play it is the same Evolution Stage of their earlier level.
SO when the wording says "evolves from" you should be able to get the X because it is a Glaceon/Leafeon. Does not say evolution card. I am aware that Level X's are level up cards but it does not specify that they have to be "Evolution Cards" just evolve from Eevee and since you can't have 4 level X cards to play without a basic or evolution card...
Signs of Evolution
Search your deck for up to 2 cards that evolve from eevee, show them to your opponent, and then put them into your hand. Shuffle your deck afterword.
I looked all over the Compendium and found nothing on this. (I might have missed it though)
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baby mario
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Can Eevee evolve straight into Glaceon LV X? Nope.
Therefore Glaceon LV X does not 'evolve' from Eevee and you can't search for it with Signs of Evolution.
Note in the bit from the rulebook you quoted
Therefore Glaceon LV X does not 'evolve' from Eevee and you can't search for it with Signs of Evolution.
Note in the bit from the rulebook you quoted
When in play . . . not when it is still in the deck.
That's it exactly.
"When in play . . . not when it is still in the deck"
ACCORDING TO THE RULE BOOK:
For deck construction, Pokemon LV.X count as that Pokemon. (I did not type it in before but LOOK AT THE BOOK if you don't believe me)
So in the deck it would be a Glaceon. O_O SO that reason does not work either.
But it seems like no one is taking this seriously till the issue comes up in worlds or something right?
You guys always say look at the wording so...
"Evoles from" and "Evolution Card"
Are the same thing????
Oh well.
I still don't understand since it DOES NOT SAY EVOLUTION CARD... Because the rule book says it would be allowed.
Thank you anyway...
ACCORDING TO THE RULE BOOK:
For deck construction, Pokemon LV.X count as that Pokemon. (I did not type it in before but LOOK AT THE BOOK if you don't believe me)
So in the deck it would be a Glaceon. O_O SO that reason does not work either.
But it seems like no one is taking this seriously till the issue comes up in worlds or something right?
You guys always say look at the wording so...
"Evoles from" and "Evolution Card"
Are the same thing????
Oh well.
I still don't understand since it DOES NOT SAY EVOLUTION CARD... Because the rule book says it would be allowed.
Thank you anyway...
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I think the problem here is that the lvl X may count as the pokemon, the cards dont actually state that the evolve from eevee so that makes them an ineligable choice for signs of evolution. The cards have to state that they evolve from eevee and lvl X pokemon state the level up from their respective forms.
Thank you. I wouldn't be pushing this if there was already something in the Compendium.
Moonlight Veil was the ruling I found that would also support pulling the Lv. X because it uses the terms "Evolves from"
Moonlight Veil (Umbreon - Majestic Dawn)
Q. Does the Pokemon have to have Eevee beneath it in order to receive the benefits from Espeon's "Sunlight Veil" or Umbreon's "Moonlight Veil" Poke-BODIES?
A. No. Let's say you brought in an Umbreon using Garchomp Lv.X's "Restore" attack— it's still a Pokemon that “Evolves from Eevee,” even though it didn't evolve that way to get into play. (DP:Majestic Dawn FAQ; May 22, 2008 PUI Rules Team)
Q. Does Glaceon Lv.X, Leafeon Lv.X, etc. get the benefits from "Sunlight Veil" and "Moonlight Veil" Poke-BODIES?
A. Since the underlying Pokemon below the Lv.X evolves from Eevee, you do get the benefits of Sunlight Veil and Moonlight Veil. (May 29, 2008 PUI Rules Team)
What I got from these and the rule book, supports the fact you can pull the level X's out.
I'm honestly not trying to start trouble but the fact that it is assumed "evolves from" is an evolution card.
Moonlight Veil was the ruling I found that would also support pulling the Lv. X because it uses the terms "Evolves from"
Moonlight Veil (Umbreon - Majestic Dawn)
Q. Does the Pokemon have to have Eevee beneath it in order to receive the benefits from Espeon's "Sunlight Veil" or Umbreon's "Moonlight Veil" Poke-BODIES?
A. No. Let's say you brought in an Umbreon using Garchomp Lv.X's "Restore" attack— it's still a Pokemon that “Evolves from Eevee,” even though it didn't evolve that way to get into play. (DP:Majestic Dawn FAQ; May 22, 2008 PUI Rules Team)
Q. Does Glaceon Lv.X, Leafeon Lv.X, etc. get the benefits from "Sunlight Veil" and "Moonlight Veil" Poke-BODIES?
A. Since the underlying Pokemon below the Lv.X evolves from Eevee, you do get the benefits of Sunlight Veil and Moonlight Veil. (May 29, 2008 PUI Rules Team)
What I got from these and the rule book, supports the fact you can pull the level X's out.
I'm honestly not trying to start trouble but the fact that it is assumed "evolves from" is an evolution card.
baby mario
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Neither of those examples describes the LV X as 'evolving from Eevee'. Which is the key thing as far as Signs of Evolution is concerned.
The Garchomp ruling is irrelevant as Garchomp LV X cannot restore LV X Pokemon. All it does is state that Glaceon and Leafeon are still Pokemon that 'evolve from Eevee', even when they are restored.
The Moonlight Veil ruling actually supports the ruling you are questioning: it states specifically that the 'underlying' Pokemon (and not the LV X) 'evolves from Eevee'.
The Garchomp ruling is irrelevant as Garchomp LV X cannot restore LV X Pokemon. All it does is state that Glaceon and Leafeon are still Pokemon that 'evolve from Eevee', even when they are restored.
The Moonlight Veil ruling actually supports the ruling you are questioning: it states specifically that the 'underlying' Pokemon (and not the LV X) 'evolves from Eevee'.
The first post states why it is not possible and the second one is from someone who is on the rules team and says it is right. You don't believe someone who is on the rules team?
Once again, baby mario has it exactly right.
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To perhaps make it easier to understand, look at card text. The question of the rulebook doesn't even come up if you just read what the cards say.
http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=45500
Okay, there's Eevee RR. Signs of Evolution reads "Search your deck for up to 2 cards that evolve from Eevee, show them to your opponent, and put them into your hand. Shuffle your deck afterward."
http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=45472
There's a Leafeon. Top left-hand corner says "STAGE 1 Evolves from Eevee"
http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=34930
There's Leafeon Lv. X. It says "LEVEL-UP Put onto Leafeon"
Nowhere does it say it evolves from Eevee. That's the key text. Whether or not it can evolve from Eevee is the one thing that matters. Leafeon Lv. X cannot, because it doesn't say that it can.
EDIT: and Baby Evolution is something different, before that gets brought up. That's a bit of a caveat that might just confuse things further for the purposes of this topic.
http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=45500
Okay, there's Eevee RR. Signs of Evolution reads "Search your deck for up to 2 cards that evolve from Eevee, show them to your opponent, and put them into your hand. Shuffle your deck afterward."
http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=45472
There's a Leafeon. Top left-hand corner says "STAGE 1 Evolves from Eevee"
http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=34930
There's Leafeon Lv. X. It says "LEVEL-UP Put onto Leafeon"
Nowhere does it say it evolves from Eevee. That's the key text. Whether or not it can evolve from Eevee is the one thing that matters. Leafeon Lv. X cannot, because it doesn't say that it can.
EDIT: and Baby Evolution is something different, before that gets brought up. That's a bit of a caveat that might just confuse things further for the purposes of this topic.