The Phenom1993
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Ok...iff you don't like castform that dosen't mean he isn't good. go on and play mime. Do as you wish but don't tell we didn't tell you.
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I Like castform and I know he is good, but the metagame IMO is to agressiv 4 him.
You will not do more than 2 Delta Draw, even if you have a perfect starting hand.
Vires Problem is that he needs more time to build up than most other decks, and so you need a way to stall until you've build up your field.
You will not do more than 2 Delta Draw, even if you have a perfect starting hand.
Vires Problem is that he needs more time to build up than most other decks, and so you need a way to stall until you've build up your field.
vanderbilt_grad
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I'll agree that Chingling/Chimecho is a more robust start engine ... but they are all dead cards after the game start. Castform, while risky, is useful all game long. Even if he doesn't stall long the draw as a starter helps.
Also worth noting that while it takes a while to fully set up it's not like you are helpless before that happens if Casty gets KOed. It's pretty easy to get a Flygon d going and not unreasonable to have a Vire doing some damage even if it's not 120 a turn.
Also worth noting that while it takes a while to fully set up it's not like you are helpless before that happens if Casty gets KOed. It's pretty easy to get a Flygon d going and not unreasonable to have a Vire doing some damage even if it's not 120 a turn.
Chimecho might be a good idea, but castform is to weak IMO, exspecially with its weakness. (I'm so afraid of the damned riolu/cario ^^")
And i know you aren't helpless, but if you get a T1 / T2 KO, there really isn't much you can do.
And having 3/4 useless cards isn't that bad, because once you've got your setup, you aren't really depending on the cards you draw.
I propably will test the deck with 4 Mr Mime and 2 Castform, because against slower decks they are great starters and also mentorable NRG is always great.
Chingling seems to be worth testing too, cause baby evolution might have the same effekt as mr mimes body.
And i know you aren't helpless, but if you get a T1 / T2 KO, there really isn't much you can do.
And having 3/4 useless cards isn't that bad, because once you've got your setup, you aren't really depending on the cards you draw.
I propably will test the deck with 4 Mr Mime and 2 Castform, because against slower decks they are great starters and also mentorable NRG is always great.
Chingling seems to be worth testing too, cause baby evolution might have the same effekt as mr mimes body.
fieryseraph
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I think that on average Mr. Mime may buy you one more turn over any other starter. That isn't really a huge advantage in my mind. Between that and the fact that he doesn't help you get any more resources, I just don't think he will be as good.
If you playtest it though, let us know how it goes.
If you playtest it though, let us know how it goes.
vanderbilt_grad
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Mr. Mime shines the most vs those decks that don't use more than 2 energy to attack normally like Ape, Kricketune, etc. It's actually somewhat harmful as an active if you are facing a sniper like Prinplup or Ray ex d.
taylor2007
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no flygon's period try raichu MT
The Phenom1993
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I don't think you will attack with Mr.Mime so they could make their perfect setup while you are trying to get the desired cards and then they will begin to sweep.
When they T2 your Castform, you haven't much time to draw into scramble and you probably don't even have s/t to attack scramble to.
Thats the plan, Mr Mime stalls so both players have time to setup. Vire has a better setup then most other decks (120 / turn) so this should be an advantage.
But chingling seems to be a good starter too.
Thats the plan, Mr Mime stalls so both players have time to setup. Vire has a better setup then most other decks (120 / turn) so this should be an advantage.
But chingling seems to be a good starter too.
The Phenom1993
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Yes but they will have a real starter and drawing by electabuzz only will take longer to setup than drawing with a real starter.
And not every deck K.O castform by T2.
And not every deck K.O castform by T2.
KazamBolt
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Flygon is a lot better than Raichu. Flygon attaches from the Hand and we get the energies with Magneton from the hand.
If I add Castform, I would probably have 2-3 Scrambles. Even if they T2 my Casty, I would draw 2-10 cards in the process. Odds are, one of those cards would be a scramble or something that can draw cards and get me a scramble.
Probably it will depend on the Metagame, but I expect most decks to be s/t with Lucario / Empoleon / Kricketune / Ape etc. and they all T2 Castform. Also 90% of the DP-on Cards seem to be Beatdown, which is deadly for Castform.
But Chingling seems to be a good alternative, it doesn't need NRG and with its baby evolution it survives much longer than Castform
But Chingling seems to be a good alternative, it doesn't need NRG and with its baby evolution it survives much longer than Castform
The Phenom1993
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Play whatever you want but mr.mime won't be good.
taylor2007
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ONLY IF YOU USE MORE THAN ELECTABUZZ DELTA OTHER WISE APE FOR THE WIN
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I'm getting more and more sold on using Casty as a starter in Delta decks even with the insane weakness to the metagame. I tried it in my Nidogon deck this weekend, and it saved me on more than one occasion. Also, even if you only get to use DD 1-2 times, that's still another 3-10 cards that you didn't have without Casty. And he acts as an Energy in the mid and late game. And he makes it easier to power Flex. The problem with any other starter in here is that the deck is simply too tight. There isn't anything that we can really get rid of in order to make any of the other starters viable. Not to mention that, after about turn 1 all other starters are dead draws. Not to mention that, even with the extra turn, you're still allowing your opponent that same amount of time to attack you. Castform is the play in here, and probably in 4s as well.
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