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Emerging Powers Print Run!

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It's that time again! Post your pack layout so we can build the Emerging Powers print run!

Remember, for most efficient calculation, please record your pack layout in this format:
* C C C C C / H R / U U U (where C is common, H is reverse holo, R is (holo) rare, and U is uncommon.

I'l start!:

* 4 84 1 64 86 / 62 72 /25 91 58
* 1 74 28 24 18 / 85 12 / 73 58 14

Get it? Got it? Good!
 
Not that I'm trying to say not to do it, I just don't understand what the information will do. Is it supposed to just be, hey! Look at this! Look what I can do! What is the useful purpose of knowing the print run?
 
Moldy orange said:
Not that I'm trying to say not to do it, I just don't understand what the information will do. Is it supposed to just be, hey! Look at this! Look what I can do! What is the useful purpose of knowing the print run?
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It can be incredibly useful when doing a booster draft where you share packs and pull one at a time without letting your opponent see your pull to know what to counter draft. It's also just interesting to see the patterns. Not everything in Pokemon has to have a useful purpose. :wink:
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Moldy orange said:
Not that I'm trying to say not to do it, I just don't understand what the information will do. Is it supposed to just be, hey! Look at this! Look what I can do! What is the useful purpose of knowing the print run?
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You can finally confirm that the good trainers appear in less pack formations than other uncommons.
 
Imhotep said:
This is what Nick15 is like.
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All too true. :3 I like doing stuff no one else does which CAN serve a functional purpose for the Pokemon (TCG) community. I did the Gym Challenge print run back in the day, then the BW print run a couple months ago. I plan on making this a regular occurrence, considering that Magic players work on print runs for their sets all the time.

Again, the idea here is to allow players in pass-drafts to know what was taken and to form strategies according to that information. For example, if you notice that the player before you is taking all the Cubchoos, it's a pretty good bet that they've got a Beartic or two. Also, apparently you know know what rares are in the packs based on the commons, but I have yet to cooberate that theory (only one way to find out!). In any case, players would best off building strategies around the information from the packs, and that's the purpose of these Print Runs. In fact, skilled players are capable of accounting for what everyone took and thus manage to win drafts with this information. Unfortunately, they can't KNOW this until this information has been put together! :)

Anyways, I purchased a box, so I'll seed the first bit of information here:

FIRST COLUMN:
24 64 29 20 26 / 50 27 / 54 92 41
20 70 74 13 15 / 40 82 / 92 54 79
86 22 38 50 36 / 6 88 / 45 25 66
44 64 10 22 1 / 93 53 / 42 14 52
1 74 28 24 18 / 59 37 / 58 6 66
36 22 3 74 71 / 14 63 / 73 52 14
22 1 29 78 87 / 3 21 / 75 5 91
26 4 84 1 64 / 22 67 / 73 25 91
80 9 60 49 33 / 34 19 / 81 11 91
24 4 36 86 68 / 61 48 / 39 90 73
55 18 15 3 84 / 8 62 / 11 14 59
74 13 15 38 32 / 26 77 / 81 83 5
38 49 68 64 55 / 75 31 / 81 25 45
10 38 70 68 18 / 44 12 / 81 90 45
38 32 26 18 50 / 52 30 / 41 95 96
87 32 68 20 43 / 24 65 / 96 58 79
29 78 87 20 70 / 29 97 / 41 96 52
87 26 9 22 20 / 39 8 / 58 54 79

SECOND COLUMN:
68 20 43 55 18 / 41 48 / 73 85 83
18 32 55 15 80 / 76 2 / 34 11 61
86 68 78 28 49 / 17 47 / 79 85 42
55 18 15 3 84 / 11 69 / 11 14 59
55 3 60 44 80 / 31 27 / 5 85 90
38 50 36 87 32 / 25 35 / 96 25 14
26 10 38 70 68 / 65 31 / 81 90 45
18 50 24 4 36 / 45 56 / 96 81 83
87 32 68 20 43 / 91 12 / 54 75 5
50 36 78 4 33 / 30 16 / 34 61 95
43 60 13 33 44 / 54 72 / 75 94 45
49 33 44 64 10 / 37 89 / 46 51 61
15 10 24 78 71 / 51 7 / 94 93 46
15 3 84 28 71 / 69 76 / 46 51 42
86 13 84 43 60 / 92 17 / 59 83 93
55 1 84 9 80 / 81 23 / 51 39 66
28 71 80 9 60 / 20 98 / 59 39 93
70 33 13 29 74 / 21 57 / 6 34 92

And there we go! As soon as more packs are posted I'll begin work on actually working on the positions. Right now, though, I don't think I have enough to make the final print run list look like anything more than random entries.

I look forward to everyone helping the Pokemon TCG community with this little (and now regular) project! (^_^)
 
Awesome stuff, just like the last time with BW :)
Do you think it´s possible to map the whole set just like with mtg?
And do you think other languages have different pack collations?
 
Darkrai* said:
Awesome stuff, just like the last time with BW :)
Do you think it´s possible to map the whole set just like with mtg?
And do you think other languages have different pack collations?
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I still can't find a pattern with the uncommons with BW, but I'm sure that they're in a print run pattern like the commons. Hopefully the more of these print runs I make as time goes on encourage people to remember to write down their pack listings and we can all work to find more patters.

And I'm sure other language packs are packed in a similar way (assuming their card production methods are the same as in English). But whether they are in the same order? I'm not sure. The only way to find out is to buy a non-English pack of Black and White and compare it with the English BW print run I made (which I will put on my site soon...)
 
I think this is very insteresting and helpful

It really gives you an idea if its worth buying a box to try and pull certain cards. According to the box that was opened you pulled:

2 Beartic (sheer cold)
1 Gothitelle (ability)
1 Thudurus (regular)
1 Thundurus (Full Art)
1 Tornadus (regular)
1 Tornadus (full art)
2 Pokemon Catcher
2 Max Potion

Theres a nice variety of the most wanted cards, but I wouldnt expect to get everything you need for your deck with 1 box. They do a pretty good job of giving you just about 1 of every rare and giving you doubles of some.

2,3,6,7,8,8,11,12,12,14,16,17,17,19,20,21,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,27,29,30,30,31,31,31,34,35,37,37,39,40,41,44,45,47,48,48,50,51,52,53,54,56,57,59,61,62,63,65,65,67,69,69,72,75,76,76,77,81,82,88,89,91,92,93,97,98

those are all the rares he pulled and you can see the only rare pulled 3 times was the weaker version of beartic....(could be this sets most hated pull lol)
 
Okay. I'm not trolling. And I'm also going to sound really dumb. But I don't get it. I just don't. This sounds super cool, I think, but I really just don't understand anything at all in this thread. Simply put:

What are you doing?
Why are you doing it?
How do you do it?
How difficult is it?


Also, I saw a video on youtube of some guy opening a BW box. Before he opened the packs, he set aside the full art Resh, the full art Zek, and then separated the rest into which packs would have holo rares and which ones wouldn't. Does that have anything to do with this?

TL:DR WHAT IS GOING ON I AM SO INTRIGUED AND CONFUSED
 
Id like to see that

MCNewfall said:
Okay. I'm not trolling. And I'm also going to sound really dumb. But I don't get it. I just don't. This sounds super cool, I think, but I really just don't understand anything at all in this thread. Simply put:

What are you doing?
Why are you doing it?
How do you do it?
How difficult is it?


Also, I saw a video on youtube of some guy opening a BW box. Before he opened the packs, he set aside the full art Resh, the full art Zek, and then separated the rest into which packs would have holo rares and which ones wouldn't. Does that have anything to do with this?

TL:DR WHAT IS GOING ON I AM SO INTRIGUED AND CONFUSED
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Could you post or send me a link of that video.
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MCNewfall said:
Also, I saw a video on youtube of some guy opening a BW box. Before he opened the packs, he set aside the full art Resh, the full art Zek, and then separated the rest into which packs would have holo rares and which ones wouldn't. Does that have anything to do with this?
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Sort of, but not really. You see, Booster boxes are sorted in a way the ensure that both FAs are included in each box, along with a set ratio of Rare/Holos (to ensure you don't get 3-4 FA in a box). As a result, they're packed non-randomly and can be predicted when you know how they're sorted.

Which is generally a bad thing, since the first person who gets there will usually grab the FAs.
 
Seems like way too much effort to cross reference card #s and study patterns (which might not even exist) for such a minimal advantage for draft tournaments... especially when we don't have premier rated draft tournaments.........
 
Well, there definitely IS a pattern.

You could even point out specific commons, uncommons or even rares & holos if you map the
set completely.
There´s probably one sheet for each rarity: Common, Uncommon, Rare, Holo
& Fullarts.
If we can find out how the cards are ordered on the sheet we can follow the pattern.

There´s a guy on youtube who explain this very well on Magic the Gathering, so if you still don´t
get what Nick is trying to do here search for "The Card Wizard cracks 10th Edition #1"
That´s a great demonstration of what we´re able to do when the rare map is finished.

Nick needs the contents of as many booster packs/boxes as possible for this. So if anyone
is going to break a case or a single box of emerging powers, please post your box contents
in the following order in here:

Left Column:
1) * C C C C C / H R / U U U
2) * C C C C C / H R / U U U
3) * C C C C C / H R / U U U
...
...
18)* C C C C C / H R / U U U

Right Column:
1) * C C C C C / H R / U U U
2) * C C C C C / H R / U U U
3) * C C C C C / H R / U U U
...
...
18)* C C C C C / H R / U U U

That´s necessary if we want to determine an order for the rare/reverse cards, as there´s
only one per pack and a HUGE lot of data will proably be needed, probably like 50+ boxes.

@Nick: I can try out if the pattern holds true for german packs later, when they´re released.
 
rokman said:
Seems like way too much effort to cross reference card #s and study patterns (which might not even exist) for such a minimal advantage for draft tournaments... especially when we don't have premier rated draft tournaments.........
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Not just for drafts... it's more to see if certain uncommons are rarer than others.

p.s. would somebody see how Catcher matches up against other uncommon trainer counts?
 
No249550
Note: Some reverse holo cards had unusual cuts, as if off-centered.
Format: C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 H R U1 U2 U3
Left Column
01) * 36 22 3 74 71 / 52 88 / 66 58 54
02) * 18 15 3 84 28 / 41 7 / 91 6 66
03) * 9 22 20 38 49 / 83 77 / 90 73 59
04) * 4 36 86 68 78 / 43 72 / 42 41 52
05) * 33 13 29 74 15 / 62 17 / 75 94 45
06) * 18 87 26 9 22 / 60 89 / 41 75 54
07) * 70 33 13 29 74 / 6 31 / 93 46 51
08) * 29 74 15 10 24 / 38 35 / 83 93 11
09) * 20 38 49 68 64 / 51 37 / 41 96 52
10) * 44 36 22 3 74 / 63 67 / 83 85 90
11) * 55 1 84 9 80 / 54 27 / 51 39 66
12) * 13 15 38 32 26 / 81 72 / 92 54 79
13) * 3 60 44 80 70 / 66 63 / 75 5 91
14) * 13 84 43 60 50 / 85 62 / 85 51 6
15) * 1 64 86 22 38 / 89 23 / 34 11 61
16) * 18 50 24 4 36 / 11 30 / 46 51 42
17) * 71 24 64 29 20 / 4 98 / 5 96 25
18) * 64 10 22 1 29 / 66 21 / 79 41 95
RightColumn
01) * 80 86 13 84 43 / 25 88 / 46 66 61
02) * 33 13 29 74 15 / 73 72 / 92 59 83
03) * 36 86 68 78 28 / 53 57 / 91 73 52
04) * 60 50 36 78 4 / 88 62 / 46 51 42
05) * 20 43 55 18 15 / 71 19 / 93 46 51
06) * 86 68 78 28 49 / 90 31 / 42 14 52
07) * 55 1 84 9 80 / 18 69 / 73 25 58
08) * 4 33 1 74 28 / 57 30 / 95 96 81
09) * 22 1 29 78 87 / 19 40 / 81 25 45
10) * 15 80 86 13 84 / 42 2 / 95 46 66
11) * 70 33 13 29 74 / 10 62 / 34 92 59
12) * 80 9 60 49 33 / 47 16 / 61 59 39
13) * 38 50 36 87 32 / 61 31 / 25 66 58
14) * 86 22 38 50 36 / 7 89 / 79 41 95
15) * 15 10 24 78 71 / 77 2 / 94 93 46
16) * 78 87 20 70 74 / 13 16 / 73 85 83
17) * 50 36 78 4 33 / 45 57 / 34 61 95
18) * 20 26 10 38 70 / 35 8 / 79 41 95

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No249550
Note: Some reverse holo cards had unusual cuts, as if off-centered.
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 H R U1 U2 U3
Booster 1 from Right Column is accidentally mixed into the data somewhere between (inclusive) packs 1 and 13; since the order is unknown, there will be a booster 19. There will be no Right Column 1 as a result. Packs 15-18 are correct.
Left Column
1) * 84 43 60 50 36 / 45 65 / 93 46 51
2) * 64 86 22 38 50 / 36 40 / 96 81 83
3) * 49 55 1 84 9 / 85 63 / 61 91 42
4) * 80 9 60 45 33 / 47 76 / 61 59 39
5) * 3 60 44 80 70 / 25 97 / 79 41 95
6) * 55 15 80 86 13 / 42 2 / 95 46 66
7) * 15 3 84 28 71 / 33 67 / 52 51 6
8) * 38 49 68 64 55 / 87 69 / 83 5 85
9) * 38 70 68 18 32 / 5 37 / 52 45 14
10) * 43 55 18 15 3 / 63 23 / 91 58 6
11) * 44 36 22 3 74 / 56 21 / 59 93 39
12) * 29 78 87 20 70 / 55 30 / 58 39 90
13) * 10 24 78 71 26 / 79 31 / 45 73 25
14) * 78 4 33 1 74 / 57 77 / 34 11 61
15) * 36 87 32 68 20 / 96 7 / 11 75 6
16) * 80 43 60 13 33 / 66 48 / 42 75 94
17) * 44 64 10 22 1 / 38 16 / 5 85 90
18) * 33 13 29 74 15 / 88 88 / 34 83 93
RightColumn /
1) * 60 49 33 44 64 / 39 63 / 85 6 42
2) * 26 10 38 70 68 / 11 19 / 52 81 90
3) * 26 18 50 24 4 / 64 72 / 73 25 91
4) * 22 38 50 36 87 / 51 35 / 25 14 79
5) * 9 22 20 38 49 / 1 23 / 79 41 96
6) * 84 28 71 80 9 / 4 89 / 75 94 45
7) * 71 24 64 29 20 / 81 8 / 75 5 96
8) * 74 13 15 38 32 / 89 72 / 66 54 92
9) * 4 84 1 64 86 / 60 82 / 46 51 42
10) * 28 24 18 87 26 / 41 98 / 94 41 54
11) * 49 55 1 84 9 / 74 65 / 83 51 39
12) * 18 15 3 84 28 / 6 40 / 41 96 52
13) * 44 80 70 33 13 / 94 47 / 83 93 46
14) * 10 22 1 29 78 / 59 53 / 59 73 85
15) * 18 32 55 15 80 / 2 17 / 54 92 79
16) * 36 86 68 78 28 / 34 82 / 92 34 59
17) * 32 68 20 43 55 / 68 37 / 45 11 14
18) * 68 64 55 3 60 / 67 8 / 58 66 6
 
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This reply is just to mention that I'm still monitoring this thread, and that, as soon as I get home, I'll provide a much larger reply to the questions posted here.

However, a lot of the questions asked, as well as answers to questions yet to be asked and the final results of the BW common print run, were covered in the previous print run discussion for Black/White:
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=146420

There is a pattern in the packing of cards, which--apart from the practicals involved in packing cards of any trading card game--is something I think Nintendo picked up from Wizards of the Coast, which WotC in turn does deliberately (if I recall correctly)... partially to ensure cards are thoroughly randomized, but also for the players themselves and the layers of strategery involved in playing and winning card games.

I also just bought five packs, so I'm gonna post the data here so I can add it (along with the pack data above--thanks MegaV!) to my data list later and share the finalized data when it's done. :)

But more on this as soon as I get home.

* 71 26 4 84 1 / 76 27 / 83 5 85
* 9 60 49 33 44 / 41 56 / 91 58 6
* 38 49 68 64 55 / 17 31 / 83 93 11
* 1 74 28 24 18 / 11 12 / 95 96 81
* 50 24 4 36 86 / 31 77 / 45 73 25

Another FYI: Magic has a flourishing print run calculation base which reconstruct each set's print run as soon as a set is released. They do it because there is a lot of game play value in knowing this data. The Pokémon TCG community lacks this print run deal, and so its value for the game is not recognized by its players. I hope to change that, with everyone's help of course! :) Furthermore, there could be value in knowing the print run which may not be obvious even to those familiar with Magic's print run... and so the only way to know is to actually make it!

Ooops, break time's over. Gotta bolt! I'll return once I get home!!
 
I've got 2 boxes of data to give you, once I open them this weekend. That should fill in a buncha gaps, dontcha think? ^_^
 
bullados said:
I've got 2 boxes of data to give you, once I open them this weekend. That should fill in a buncha gaps, dontcha think? ^_^
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I think so, yes! :) Hopefully between the five boxes posted here, it may even help cover the uncommon print run too... [crosses fingers]
 
Here's a box worth of data-
Left Side:
24, 71, 26, 4, 84, 54, 7, 66, 61, 91
49, 55, 1, 84, 9, 37, 76, 45, 73, 25
78,28, 49, 55, 1, 22, 67, 42, 83, 34
28,49, 55, 1, 84, 34, 72, 91, 58, 6
22, 1, 29, 78, 87, 75, 65, 5, 96, 25
20, 43, 55, 18, 15, 44, 63, 54, 75, 5
71, 24, 64, 29, 20, 52, 8, 45, 11, 14
13, 33, 44,36, 22, 24,27, 94, 54, 75
33, 44, 36, 22, 3, 29, 30, 90,94, 41
49, 33, 44, 64, 10, 39, 82, 52, 81, 90
50, 36, 87, 32, 68, 50, 56, 39, 90, 41
44, 36, 22, 3, 74, 40, 53, 6, 58, 39
84, 9, 80, 43, 60, 6, 37, 79, 41, 96
9, 80, 43, 60, 13, 93, 21, 75, 6, 58
28, 71, 80, 9, 60, 59, 89, 93, 11, 75
1, 64, 86, 22, 38, 14, 19, 66, 92, 54
80, 43, 60, 13, 33, 3, 16, 83, 93, 11
55, 18, 15, 3, 84, 30, 25, 91, 42, 34

Right Side:
80, 86, 13, 84, 43, 42, 21, 91, 42, 14
24, 4, 36, 86, 68, 53, 7, 61, 81, 11
64, 10, 22, 1, 29, 58, 88, 56, 51,61
86, 13, 84, 43, 60, 33, 40, 95, 75, 5
70, 68, 18, 32, 55,87, 47, 93, 46, 51
68, 18, 32, 55, 15, 5, 76, 83,59, 93
38, 32, 26, 18, 50, 32, 16, 34, 46, 61
9, 60, 49, 33, 44, 71, 69, 92, 59, 83
18, 32, 55, 15, 80, 83, 17, 6, 34, 92
29, 20, 26, 10, 38, 35, 2, 66, 94, 93
20, 26, 10, 38, 70, 73, 48, 42, 6, 34
50, 36, 78, 4, 33, 47, 57, 91, 73, 52
15, 80, 86, 13, 84, 25, 97, 81, 11, 91
20, 70, 74, 13, 15, 10, 77, 79, 85, 42
3, 84, 28, 71, 80, 48, 62, 83, 51, 39
26, 10, 38, 70, 68, 61, 98, 14, 79,85
3,74, 71, 24, 64, 8, 31, 96, 25, 14
74, 71, 24, 64, 29, 26, 12, 59, 73, 85

2 Gothitelle (1 Rev) 2 Beartic (1 Rev) One of each Full Art, xx Bianca and Cheren, and ONE, yes ONE Catcher.

I'm sad :frown:
 
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