Empocontrol

[Typhlosionluvr]

I have seen a couple of empoleon decks around using the lv x from Dp and the Empoleon from Sf is this deck survivable? I havent seen many, but was wondering, it seems to do good against most decks, especially blazetran. Thoughts?

 

[Rogue Archetype]

I see alot of people testing it, but I don't know if anyone is actually taking it to states...

 

[Xuii2-the-cleric]

just because they are playing it now does mean the are using it for s/p/t
they might just be testing it or playing it for fun

 

[darkrai947]

Sounds like a weird deck...

 

[Typhlosionluvr]

I saw them alot and people are saying that they might go to cities.. but also they are saying we will more than likely see Emposnipe

 

[Shen]

There's surprisingly a lot popping up. It still needs Surf Together to make up for any smaller damage and cleaning up later game with Dual Splash, but its highly disruptive. Basically, with the Lv. X out, if you Roseanne's and grab a Giratina (Let Loose) and a Mesprit LA, you drop their hand to 4 cards and power lock 'em. Then Supreme Command and Knock Off... they're pretty restricted. Can't Claydol can't Uxie. Pretty lethal if you play Mars too, and Giratina Lv. X only adds to the disruption.

It's near impossible to keep this up for several turns, I've seen some variants trying Ampharos instead of Mesprit, which is neat in theory, but I'm not sure if it's fast enough. I mean, power locks are nice, but how game changing is it if you set it up so late that they're already set up themselves? Anyways, with Aqua Shower, you cover their entire field, so everything is power locked with Amphy out. This version is terrible with Surf Together, lol, you can lock up your own field (Prolly play straight PL Empoleon). I've also seen 2-0-2 Alakazams, those are game ending if you set them up.

I dunno. Maybe some combination of it all? I've yet to see a solid list. Maybe play a Mesprit or two for early game until Amphy/Zam shows up, 3-1 Giratina, and a preferred Empoleon line (PL Piplup is nice for setting Amphy up too). I personally like Zam more, especially because you don't need to worry about locking yourself and you're free to play Empoleon MD for heavier damage.

 

[Typhlosionluvr]

So you are suggesting running 2-0-2 Alakazam, a 3-1 let loose giratina, and some kind of empoleon line? which empoleon?

 

[Shen]

Personally, I'd go 3 PL Piplup, 2 DP Prinplup, 2 PL Empoleon, 1 MD Empoleon, and 1 Lv. X. But alternatively, you can run 3 Prinplup instead of 2 to increase your chances of a Turn 2 KO (Piplup sets 'em up nice), 3 PL Empoleon to increase disruption consistency (I like Surf Together's damage myself), or if you choose to run 2 PL Empoleon anyways, you can go with SF Empoleon like in your first post to increase disruption (it also gets around water resistance).

If you have room, you can run 1 Mesprit for early game power locks. It's a tough call what pixies to run, really. Azelf can get Empoleon Lv. X out of the prizes, Uxie is just great for set up (But this is possibly one of the least useful situations for it, as you'll be cycling through your hands with Giratina and you need the bench space), and Mesprit is just straight up disruption.

 

[Everwind]

I have been playing around with tina/empoleon (sf) and it can work but it is a little slow and clunky. I tried it with absol and that just didn't work and neither did drif. Uxie made it better, but still very slow.

If someone comes up with something let me know, because I like disruptive decks in general.

 

[Typhlosionluvr]

so you're playing the SF empoleon any others? and what are you using for draw power?

 

[Everwind]

so you're playing the SF empoleon any others? and what are you using for draw power?

Claydol (2-2), & Uxie (2), 1 Azelf, 4x Team Galactic Mars, 3-2-2 SF Emp, and 2-1 Giratina.

 

[Typhlosionluvr]

Ok two thing are thre any substitutions for claydol? second which basic giratina?

 

[Mew]

I compiled some lists I thought would be good before States started, and this was one of them:

1 Empoleon Lv X
2 Empoleon PL
1 Empoleon MD
2 Prinplup (I actually liked MD, but DP is great too)
3 Piplup
3 Giratina PL (Let Loose)
2 Claydol
2 Baltoy
1 Mesprit (I wanna play 2)

The trainers are preety general, so I'm not going to post them. But anyway. Something interesting to consider is Palkia G and the Lv. X. With all those Giratina on your Bench, you might want to clear some room, so just Palkia them to the lost zone. I thought the idea was fairly decent.

 

[Blaziken 1111]

This deck is risky because if htey do get soemthing set up you lose. Otherwise this is so good. My friend built this for fun and he won 2 games before I could draw a single prize. Then int eh third prize I drew 2 prizes to his 4 (I decked out but if I didn't then it would be 6) and in the forth game I get T2 leaf x and just sweep adn he can't do anything.

 

[Rashad]

Empoleon always seems 2 bum out til nats n worlds so be patient with empoleon til then

 

[Typhlosionluvr]

What about:
3 PL piplup
2 PL empoleon
1 Sf empoleon
2 MD prinplup
3 let loose giratina
1 giratina lv x

or
3 PL piplup
2 PL empoleon
1 Sf empoleon
2 MD prinplup
2 palkia PL
2 palkia lv x

 

[Shen]

I like the first line-up you gave, only I'd go with DP Prinplup instead. You can really snipe some easy KO's with it.

 

[Typhlosionluvr]

Ok so the first line is good.. Wha about the second? should I run palkia and not giratina? (dont have giratina yet)

 

[Shen]

Are you talking about Palkia G or just regular Palkia?

 

[Typhlosionluvr]

Regular palkia. (I know G is better most of the time...) Here PAlkia PL can spread and as the lv x it can work as warp point as well as if it is near being Ko'd it can transfer all energy to empoleon and empoleon can finish the job