Muk Man said:i would really like to know about the bent cards issue, my whole deck is RH and im not trying to get DQ'ed
M_Liesik said:I love the assumptions that people are making regarding this matter.
The fact that he was using Deoxys RH cards wasn't the issue. The fact that he was using penny sleeves wasn't the issue. I sat down and asked him one question. Between the answer he gave me, and his body language while answering, I disqualified him from the event.
Come on, don't leave us with that!:biggrin: Posting a vague response about what happened just makes people want to know more. What's the point in such a post?M_Liesik said:The fact that he was using Deoxys RH cards wasn't the issue. The fact that he was using penny sleeves wasn't the issue. I sat down and asked him one question. Between the answer he gave me, and his body language while answering, I disqualified him from the event.
SuperWooper said:The fact of the matter is, the only reason he had to be asked a question, and the only reason you were close enough to observe his body language, was because of the aforementioned problem with the Deoxys holos and the sleeves. You don't have to justify yourself, especially not by employing sarcasm, in regard to David's DQ. What's done is done.
ninetales1234 said:Come on, don't leave us with that! Posting a vague response about what happened just makes people want to know more. What's the point in such a post?
SteveP said:The Shedinja-fossil-stall deck is a "loophole" deck, and certainly needs to be considered as a "gamesmanship" deck. Now, add the "warped" cards to the mix, and you've got a serious problem.
Smeagol said:So was his top 32 opponent awarded the win? Or was 33rd place bumped-up?
Mike, have you ever thought about writing up opinions (majority, dissenting, concurring) about the reason you ruled the way you did, like the courts do, in order to clear up any of that before it gets widespread?M_Liesik said:I don't feel that I'm justifying myself so much as clarifying the issue. The sarcasm is more out of frustration/amusement. People who are not involved in a suspension assume that they have all of the details. They make statements and assumptions based on incomplete information. In some cases, the suspended parties are not entirely forthcoming regarding the events surrounding their suspension, confusing matters further.
M_Liesik said:It was brought to my attention because of those two facts, certainly. There's a fine line between playing with warped cards, and taking advantage of the fact that you are playing with warped cards. The evidence that was provided to me made it appear as though the latter was the case, which is why the HJ had a conversation with David. The HJ was not satisfied with the answers given, so he got me. I explained what the appearance was, what our concern was, and then asked him my question.
It is important, however, to understand that we were fully prepared to proxy the warped cards, and allow David to continue the tournament. My mind was not made up as to whether a DQ was necessary or not until after my conversation with him.
I don't feel that I'm justifying myself so much as clarifying the issue. The sarcasm is more out of frustration/amusement. People who are not involved in a suspension assume that they have all of the details. They make statements and assumptions based on incomplete information. In some cases, the suspended parties are not entirely forthcoming regarding the events surrounding their suspension, confusing matters further. I'm not saying that David has lied about his suspension, just that I've seen it happen in the past.
I don't like playing the bad guy. No one at POP does. However, sometimes it's necessary, and we're the ones that have to do it. If anyone saw me deal with any of the major issues that weekend, it should be pretty obvious that I don't enjoy this aspect of my job. However, again, sometimes it's necessary.
SteveP said:The Shedinja-fossil-stall deck is a "loophole" deck, and certainly needs to be considered as a "gamesmanship" deck. Now, add the "warped" cards to the mix, and you've got a serious problem.
MsMimer said:Cards and sleeves seemed to be a bigger issue at the Nats this year. I know my daughter had brand new Pokemon apporved sleeves just out of the package and because the person checking her deck thought he saw a scratch on one of the sleeves, she had to buy new sleeves and resleve them at the last minute. I had a card in my deck that was autogrpahed and I was told I could not play with it which sent me running around looking for a replacement, The officials need to realized that it is almost impossible to do these things at the last minute.
Really Vince? I disagree.meganium45 said:FAC. Bigger issue.
It is a 2 day event. The players in 33rd and 34th may not even be there.
Deckchecks are done.
Moving a player up is a logistical nightmare.
Easier to keep the present rule in place.
Vince