GengarPwns
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format? really true
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Losing Unown G would mean the format would probably shift more toward evolution based decks, which would probably give Machamp a harder time, which would mean less people would play Machamp.
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also why did all the alarmists suddenly stop talking about Gengar?
OHMYGODLOGIC
also why did all the alarmists suddenly stop talking about Gengar?
except Gengar is the one of the only evolution line that does not suck in MD-on.
Evolution based decks? Ha! How can you evolve when fat ugly pig monkey can just take them all out and offer you a handshake?
If they come up with an alternative draw engine, it will be good. With no Unown G, your Uxies will go no where.
This gives me a wonderful idea, I would need 2 more Machamps to do this. I'll burn them half way and put them in a page in a binder and put around it Unown "D", "I", "E", "N", "O", "W". And write "Stop this plague before you and your children die."
That is of course, if MD-on were to happen...
Evolution based decks? Ha! How can you evolve when fat ugly pig monkey can just take them all out and offer you a handshake?
If they come up with an alternative draw engine, it will be good. With no Unown G, your Uxies will go no where.
This gives me a wonderful idea, I would need 2 more Machamps to do this. I'll burn them half way and put them in a page in a binder and put around it Unown "D", "I", "E", "N", "O", "W". And write "Stop this plague before you and your children die."
That is of course, if MD-on were to happen...
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Wouldn't Machamp defeat the purpose of them making new and cool SP pokemon if they were to rotate GE? Bad marketing if you ask me. We all know how much companies love making money, so it would be smart to make sure that these cool new pokemon were to be kept safe with unown G so little kids would keep buying packs to try to get the new SP's. Just a thought coming from a 14 year old, so what would I know. :wink:
NidoPrince
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I think we should wait 2 weeks....
Absoltrainer
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Japan's Organazied play is in a different universe then PUI and POP
remember that. Whenever something is released world-wide, Japan is always excluded.
also PUI = Pokemon UNITED STATES Inc. so Japan has nothing to do with PUI.
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Aren't you standing here complaining all day long about how much you hate Machamp? But I guess Machamp sucks, like you just said.
Then there's stuff like Kingdra, the various Eeveelutions (Leafeon and Glaceon Lv. X are MD), Flygon, Ampharos, Tyranitar, Dusknoir...
They might be weakened right now in the DP-on format compared to some of the stuff running around - for example, the fast SP decks - but if the SP decks lose Unown G, they'll have a worse matchup against Machamp. Meaning they'll see less play, Machamp might increase for a while, and people will run more evolutions to compensate, format balances out over time.
It wouldn't defeat the purpose, it'd be a built-in balancing factor in the format. It'd mean they could creep up the power of SP pokemon a bit and not have to worry about them overpowering the format because they know there's a strong "silver bullet" ready to beat the tar out of them if something goes awry.
Not that I hope they do that, because it would be a bad idea, but it's one example of what they can do because a check is already in place.
Absoltrainer
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I love how people are saying that either GE will be rotated or nothign will.
Let's lock this thread and wait 2 weeks.
Machamp does suck, it ruins the so-called "Spirit of the Game" that you all hold so dear; then again, how would you know? In order to evolve, you need to go through the process of being basic first. But you all know that already.
Machamp's problem does not end with take out. Hurricane Punch is a huge issue, if Machamp does not have Hurricane Punch or if it cost 3, I wouldn't be complaining about it.
All of those, especially Flygon, are slow and dull and will get whacked by anything fast, whether it is SP or Machamp. Machamp will most likely lose to Gengar.
Balance? You have got to be joking. You mean a format where you either play Toxitank, Machamp or Gengar called "balance"?
Like I said, would you say the same thing if Unown G is gone? Have you even tried it? How would you know it is true if you have not tried?
Remy LeBeau
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Why is no one saying Dusknoir? Did Dusknoir just lose it's flair or something? I still believe Dusknoir is better than Gengar in some aspects... Also the format without Unown G will be like this... Toxitank, Machamp, Dusknoir, Gengar.
I didn't say "this format is currently balanced", show me exactly where I said that.
There's still room for PCL to add new cards that counter old ones, like they've done SO MANY TIMES in the past.
I called Machamp a balancing factor against the glut of SPs, which people seem to be complaining about the most. Which it is. If you cannot see that, you're quite blind.
Because Dusknoir stopped being the complaint-of-the-week to the alarmist faction.
I don't see why losing Unown G will suddenly make Dusknoir and Gengar so overpowered. I've beat both decks many times using power-centric decks without Unown G. Even one of my Rogue designs has absolutely no problem keeping Gengar in check - my SF Roserade deck seemingly can't lose to Gengar at all, except on a super bad opening draw (lone Azelf start, uuuuuuugh).
Dusknoir's attack is crazy, yeah, but formats have always been defined by the ability to KO stuff, and Dusknoir straight up loses to SF Tyranitar because Dusk can't OHKO TTar and TTar OHKOs it with ease. TTar can also stand up to Gengar with ease.
But you alarmists forgot about TTar, huh?
There's still room for PCL to add new cards that counter old ones, like they've done SO MANY TIMES in the past.
I called Machamp a balancing factor against the glut of SPs, which people seem to be complaining about the most. Which it is. If you cannot see that, you're quite blind.
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Because Dusknoir stopped being the complaint-of-the-week to the alarmist faction.
I don't see why losing Unown G will suddenly make Dusknoir and Gengar so overpowered. I've beat both decks many times using power-centric decks without Unown G. Even one of my Rogue designs has absolutely no problem keeping Gengar in check - my SF Roserade deck seemingly can't lose to Gengar at all, except on a super bad opening draw (lone Azelf start, uuuuuuugh).
Dusknoir's attack is crazy, yeah, but formats have always been defined by the ability to KO stuff, and Dusknoir straight up loses to SF Tyranitar because Dusk can't OHKO TTar and TTar OHKOs it with ease. TTar can also stand up to Gengar with ease.
But you alarmists forgot about TTar, huh?
i like burdn of a day
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well... i played Machamp at one of the states i went to and winkwinknudgenudge (a judge at the event) just so happened to point out that i have good SOTG granted i was playing machamp. you know, people could play Machamp because they think its good, not because they want a be a *insert bad word here* and win on the first turn every game.
Suicide
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Look man I play Duskmoir and I know that the reason I loose to T-tar is not because of resistance or weakness, although it does hurt my matchup, what kills me is unown g. Unown G is the only reason behind a Dusknoir deck having a dismal performance against any deck. When played properly Weakness is only fuel to the fire for Dusknoir.
I didn't say anything about why TTar is such a terrible matchup for Dusknoir. lol. way to assume I was just talking about weakness/resistance though.
The problem becomes that Dusknoir has to 1. hurt itself to draw cards and fuel its first attack, and 2. give TTar more energy to kill it with in the process. TTar only needs 4 energy to kill a Dusknoir that's drawn cards a single time. 5 if you ignore weakness (e.g. Azelf Lv. X), which is TTar's target energy count anyway. Every time you draw cards, you both give TTar another energy card and add two damage counters, so if you draw twice with one Dusknoir, the TTar player only has to attach two energy from their hand to KO Dusknoir WITHOUT weakness. With weakness it's one attachment, and those 3 energy are still enough to bypass your 30 damage Night Spin's effect...
This gets further compounded by Upper Energy making two Dusknoir draws only take 1 energy attachment from hand to OHKO ignoring weakness.
this also all ignores Special Darkness Energy. but in summary, a good TTar will never let you build good damage on Damage Even, making unown G mostly irrelevant.
but anyway... there are decks besides Champ, SP, and Gengar. The format right now isn't even as bad as it was some months ago when it was basically Kingdra vs. The World.
i think GE will be the last set to be either accepted in to the next rotation or rotated as DP-GE
i think the only card that will tell whether GE is rotated or not is a reprint of Rare candy if it is reprinted in the set before rotation then its most likely that GE will be rotated but if no reprints for rare candy then i highly doubt that we will have DP-GE rotation because even though the advent of basic pokemon, rare candies will always be a part of every season like it has since EX sets
i think the only card that will tell whether GE is rotated or not is a reprint of Rare candy if it is reprinted in the set before rotation then its most likely that GE will be rotated but if no reprints for rare candy then i highly doubt that we will have DP-GE rotation because even though the advent of basic pokemon, rare candies will always be a part of every season like it has since EX sets
Suicide
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I think you mean GG/Plox vs. The World
Grinning_Gengar
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Rare Candy was reprinted in Pop 8 as was Night Maintenance, and Roseanne's. I think there is a pretty good chance that Pop 8 will not rotate out this time around. So in my mind that increases the probability of GE being rotated. Oh and Bebe's in RR so most of our important Trainers are saved.
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