Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Full art cards, the truth beneath their glory

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Now I'm not sure that this is the right place to post this, (sorry if its not) but its some very important information to make note about.

Now I know how everyone likes to bling out their decks with full arts and secret rares
but actually there is a hidden truth beneath their glory.

After doing lots of test matches we have concluded that running a 'blinged' out deck draws much worse than a normal regular art deck. Basically what I am saying is that if you run lots of holo cards in your deck you will find your self in more supporter droughts and finding that all your supporters are clumped together.

When I took out all my holo cards (obviously not reg art ex's) my deck performed much better than it did with lots of holo cards. We predict that this is because holo cards weigh more than no holos so they tend to stick together more often.

A good pile shuffle at the start of the game should break up most clumps but a standard shuffle, ie when you N or play a search card can still allow holos to clump together.

Hope this information has helped you when it comes to building a deck.

Jordan
 
When I played with FAs and Shinies I noticed this and stop, Since then the randomization has been better after I switched to lowest rarity.
 
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How did you study this? What was the sample size? I'm not disputing your findings, but I'd like to hear more about how you came to this conclusion. How many is "lots"?
 
We did around 20 games with holos and around 27 games with reg arts. We won 9 games out of the 20 with the holos and we won 18 games out of the 27 with the reg arts. Now we considered luck as a big factor in this but we ultimately decided this was down to the holos since getting unlucky in 11 games out of 20 just does not sound right.
 
Yeah uh, this is a game of luck. Also, 20 and 27 games are not enough for a sample size. Hundreds of games would really be what you need to balance out the luck factor and really see whether or not playing with Full Arts does anything to make you draw worse.

Also, did you play with every single card "blinged out" or just a few? This "experiment" doesn't seem very easy to reach a logical conclusion even if you control every possible variable.
 
Joltic said:
We did around 20 games with holos and around 27 games with reg arts. We won 9 games out of the 20 with the holos and we won 18 games out of the 27 with the reg arts. Now we considered luck as a big factor in this but we ultimately decided this was down to the holos since getting unlucky in 11 games out of 20 just does not sound right.
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Was your opponent playing a foiled or non foiled deck?

When you played with a foiled deck your opponent only won 11/20. When you played a non foiled deck your opponent won 9/27. Does that mean your opponent is just unlucky?

Also, losing half your games in a 2 player game isn't anything abnormal. If you had lost 19/20 games that might be something, but not 11/20.
 
Mathematically this thread makes no sense, if a card is FA or not does not change the outcome of where it lies in the deck.
It's not like the card know it's full art and magically magnetically clumps with other cards.
 
Talk to me once you have thousands of samples for this test. 20 is not even CLOSE to enough to be statistically valid even a little bit.
 
Currently my entire deck is fully holo, full art and ultra rare. All of my cards clump after doing many shuffles techniques. I'm not going to use them anymore because of how much they affect the deck.
 
I feel like this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If the Holo/FA/Shinies are heavier and therefore clump, a fully "blinged" out deck shouldn't clump because all of the cards are heavy. I could see this making sense if you said "20% of the deck is blinged out and that 20% clumps together," but since it's all like that it shouldn't be too different from an entirely normal deck not clumping because the cards are all about the same weight.
 
Reverse Holos are fairly well known around the community to have clumping issues.

Full Arts and Secret Rares on the other hand, have none of the properties of RHs that make them even a bit likely to clump.

Additionally, as has been stated, the sample size here is not worthy of a conclusive statement, nor are subjective words like "better" or "worse" going to make a convincing case.
 
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Reverse Holos are fairly well known around the community to have clumping issues.

Full Arts and Secret Rares on the other hand, have none of the properties of RHs that make them even a bit likely to clump.

Additionally, as has been stated, the sample size here is not worthy of a conclusive statement, nor are subjective words like "better" or "worse" going to make a convincing case.
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I find that the secret rares or shinys particularly like to clump together. They also like Catchers and any card worth $15 or more. I tested this with seven riffle shuffles and decided to make a post about it.
 
I use lots of foils in several decks (mostly energy), and haven't really had any problems.
Maybe you aren't shuffling correctly? Or not enough times (6-7 shuffles).
 
I have noticed this as well. I also have had this experience when I've been playing other games such as Yu-Gi-Oh as well. The holo cards always seem to find themselves in a very inconvenient place. Thats why when proxying I use cards of similar rarity to be used in place of the actual card. I know it sounds weird, but I always draw differently when I'm using a lower rarity of a card than one of similar rarity. When playing pokemon I have downgraded most of the cards in the main deck I play. If its for fun, I'll use the rev versions of things or the holo variant of cards.
 
I use the lowest rarity of my cards simply because I abuse my playing decks. Shuffling, etc.

They're made to use.

My collection is where I care and leave them untouched.




Plus, the fact that rev holo and FA cards are effected greatly due to temperature changes and heat, so I don't want them ruined quickly just because I want to use shiny things. I really do hate the way rev holo cards start showing silver wear on the outsides of the card, looks trashy as hell.
 
This thread seems pointless. It's probably because people who tend to have full arts and such don't shuffle as much because of ruining the condition of the cards. As to players with reg cards, where they may shuffle more. Regardless I don't believe full arts/shinies/holos/reverse holos affect your deck at all in terms of clumps/draws. Don't take this personally but I find this thread silly.
 
What about selves? Wouldn't sleeving a deck make all the cards equal and have no difference on the weight or anything else about the card inside?
 
The difference between a regular card and a Rev Holo is only .1 grams.

Reg card typically weighs 1.8 grams
Rev Holo typically weighs 1.9 grams
Full Art typically weighs 2.0 grams

I can't imagine that amount of weight making cards stick together.
 
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