groudon can easily beat kyogre

Discussion in 'Electronic Games' started by groudon, Aug 28, 2003.

  1. groudon

    groudon New Member

    everybody says groudons weakness is water and that kyogre has the advantage and its true so is groudons special attack and defense weak so any special attack would not even harm kyogre but groudons attack is huge and kyogres defense is weak so what about a powerful attack HYPERBEAM WOULD BLOW UP KYOGRE LEAVING HIS SKELETON and dont say theat hyperbeam is special because i read its phisycal one and kyogre is dead!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  2. invisible

    invisible New Member

    um, no, i don't really think so. i think kyogre would survive that, and KO groudon the next two free turns he has. and first of all, you'd have better bets using earthquake, since the damage is the same anyway, (100 x 1.5 = 150) because of STAB, and you don't lose a turn.
     
  3. White Gryphon

    White Gryphon New Member

    Hyper Beam really isn't that great... It leaves Groudon with a lost turn to recharge. That would give Kyogre an extra turn to drown out Groudon with Hydro Pump... That and you've got to consider Groudon's speed.
     
  4. Squirtle007

    Squirtle007 New Member

    The funny thing is whatever Pokemon is released 2nd has the huge advantage, as its power will work. Earthquake would be the better choice here though.
     
  5. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    Welcome to the boards.

    Since you are discussing a Game Boy battle, that would go in the Electronic Games forum.

    Also, please seperate your sentences out with periods and punctuation.
    It makes if very hard to read when it runs on like that.

    Thanks.

    Moving to e-games now...
     
  6. Sunflorazumarill

    Sunflorazumarill New Member

    Actually, Groudon and Kyogre have the SAME speed! They both have a speed that I would say would be anywhere from 216 to 248 at Level 100 on average.
     
  7. Kyogre

    Kyogre <a href="http://pokegym.net/gallery/browseimages.p

    My friend and I tried this, and our guys were the same level. I used Ice Beam (Super Effective) and he used Hyper Beam. His attack did get me down to yellow but my Ice Beam got him down to red on the first shot then finished him off on the re-charge.
     
  8. Spectreon

    Spectreon New Member

    As far as I have seen, the only OHKO is only if Rain is going and Surf/Pump gets used. There DF/SD are high enough to defend 1 attack, normally. The exception may be if 1 AT/SA is maxed, while the corosponding DF/SD is not raised at all. But that is highly unlikely. It is to hard for these Pokemon to get aOHKO without aid. Critical hits, or Rain+STAB on Water for Kyogre.
     
  9. Fawkes0126

    Fawkes0126 New Member

    I have to say that I think Groudon would not be able to beat Kyogre, especially if Kyogre's power is Drizzle, making his water type moves, i.e Hydro Pump, possibly surf, etc., much stronger. Also, once you take Hyper Beam's power into consideration, you must admit that if the two were at the same level, even if Groudon used Hyper Beam, it's not gonna do much.
     
  10. Sea Crobat

    Sea Crobat New Member

    Groundon would have to come out second to beat Kyrogre. Solar Beam is much better then.
     
  11. invisible

    invisible New Member

    not really again... that would mean that he would be slower, attacking second. his sp atk is low compared to his atk, and kyogres sp def is high. plus, solarbeam doesn't get stab. i've got a theory though. groudon comes out second, with them having the same speed. if this happens, i think they alternate first turns. so he'll survive the first hit, since it's sunny. he uses light screen on first turn then earthquake/solarbeam on the second turn. there won't be a OHKO, but kyogre might not kill groudon with the second hit, because of the light screen. hmm...
     
  12. groudon

    groudon New Member

    but hyper beam is a phisycal attack and with the attack power of groudon and the low defense of kyogre i still say that it would lose the battle one hit
     
  13. groudon

    groudon New Member

    yes but hyper beam has 150 atack power and groudons attack is high and hyper beam is phiswcal and give groudon quick claw and he would attack first
     
  14. dkates

    dkates New Member

    In Groudon's case, Earthquake is just as powerful as Hyper Beam, without the lost turn, as invisible said earlier. Even so, though, you would at the very least need something else (*coughhelditemcough*) upping your attack to have a good chance of getting that OHKO.
     
  15. Red5bv06

    Red5bv06 <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    Let's put this into a stat calculator:

    Ok, Kyogre's Max HP is 404.
    Kyogres Lowest HP is 341.
    Kyogre's Max Defense is 306.
    Kyogre's Lowest Defense Possible is 195.
    Groudon's Max Attack is 438.
    Now, if Groudon uses Hyper Beam (or Earthquake) against Kyogre, how much damage will it do?

    This is, for the benefit of the Groudon player, assuming max attack on Groudon (which isn't very likely).

    Against the max stat, max HP Kyogre, between 155 and 182. Summary: 3HKO
    Against the max stat, minimum HP Kyogre, between 155 and 182. Summary: 2-3HKO, depending on how much damage.
    Against the lowest stat, max HP Kyogre, between 219 and 257. Summary: 2HKO
    Against lowest stat, minimum HP Kyogre, between 219 and 257. Summary: 2HKO

    So, if you have trained the perfect Groudon (meaning 31 Attack IV (good luck), 255 Attack EVs, and beneficial personality), the best you can hope for is a 2HKO, but if the Kyogre player has also done his research, you could be stuck with 3HKOs, and we know Groudon won't last that long.

    So, to end this conversation, Groudon cannot OHKO Kyogre under any circumstances.
     
  16. invisible

    invisible New Member

    actually, there is ONE way. and that's if groudon is a lot of levels higher than kyogre. :lol:
     
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2003
  17. Spectreon

    Spectreon New Member

    You forget critical hits........

    if it would normally 2HKO, a 1 CHKO is possible

    Just use a Scope Lense to up it, and like 1 outta 10 battles or so you can win... see......

    Drought/Drizzle as far as I can tell isnt effected by who is quicker/slower, it is based on who is released second, ie who is in port 2! Besides the Speeds for Groudon and Kyogre have the exact (or at worst almost exact) ratio depending on EV, DV, and Natures.
     
  18. Eevee234

    Eevee234 New Member

    There might be another way. Does Sheer Cold or Fissure work if they're the same level???
     
  19. Canadian Bacon

    Canadian Bacon New Member

    if groudon is released second, then just one solarbeam would kill kyogre, if it didnt i highly dought that kyogre (unless he has sheer cold and it hits) could KO groudon before the second turn, and his life, is over.
     
  20. Spectreon

    Spectreon New Member

    OHKO moves like Fissure/Sheer Cold work only if they are same level or lower.
     

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