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Has it REALLY come to THIS ???

if that happend at my college i would have picked bill up in my arms and yell at the heavens "WHY! WHY DID YOU TAKE HIME AWAY!", but really i would probably check his vitals and make sure he was stable, probably even put him up on his side just to be safe. Im pretty sure someone in that audience was majoring in some type of medicine.

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maddox23 said:
PLEASE tell me you are joking! Of course I was being sarcastic. I'm14, why would I even attend a science seminar made by a balding comedian? It was a social commentary to be honest-a bad one at that, but still.
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shouldnt have said anything at all after your first post, you would have maintained desired effect
 
RB Golbat said:
It's honestly not far from the norm. When people are in a giant crowd, they usually think "Oh, someone else can take care of it", while if they are alone or there are a small amount of people, they are more likely to get up and help themselves. Bystander syndrome really. (google or wiki it)

If you want to read about more stuff that is related to this, google "Murder of Kitty Genovese", or "Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax" to find even more appalling stuff.
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That's definitely going to be a part of it. For anyone interested, this link has more information about the Bystander Effect.

This is really sickening though :(
 
You know, if that happened near me, I'd be the one walking up and saying "Are you okay?"

Problem is, how do I teach the attitude I have about helping others to my closest friends?

- Croatian "science rules!" Nidoking
 
I was actually there - but had forgotten my cell phone, luckily i was able to borrows Bill phone, text a friend about it, and return it to his pocket before he regained conciousness.
 
It looks like bystander effect had some, if not major role, in this situation.

Bystander effect is social psychological phenomenon where a group of individuals do not offer help in an emergency situation when other people are present. Social psychologists tells us that bystander effect happens because of pluaralistic ignorance, diffusion responsibility, or other complex reasons.

Diffusion responsibility- each person feels that eventually someone will intervene on behalf of the distress person and so each individual feels less responsible and refrains from doing anything.
 
As a student of USC (although I was stuck in a Physics Lab at the time of the event, I've had multiple friends who were in attendance give me their accounts), this is more a case of shoddy journalism than the actual reality.

It happened so quickly that it appeared to be an orchestrated part of his speech, something for dramatic effect, and it caught most of the audience off guard.

The phones were, given the timing of mobile facebook status updates I've seen, after he recovered.

Don't believe everything you read online.

Also, Pokemom, you need to slow down before you attack people who post online.

SD PokéMom said:
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it was 'cool' to be in the audience when this happened?

wow. just...wow. i really hope that was sarcasm...

'mom :(
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"I was there, [it was] pretty cool" could have been referring to the actual speech -- which was phenomenal from what the guys were saying -- rather than him falling.

If you look for evil in every corner you're bound to find it.

And lastly, to you budding psychology majors looking to attribute this to the bystander effect, consider that the event took place in Bovard Auditorium, Bill was up on a stage. Anyone who had the presence of mind to rush on stage would be in big trouble were they not a trained first responder, and would have been getting in the way of campus emergency personnel who were promptly on the scene. Plus, there's not much to help out with when he gets back up in five seconds -- little longer than it'd take to register what happened in the confusion.
 
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I saw P_F as the last poster and thought "Wow, can't wait to see this." Imagine my surprise when I see that it's actually a contributing post!
 
prodigal_fanboy said:
Plus, there's not much to help out with when he gets back up in five seconds -- little longer than it'd take to register what happened in the confusion.
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While I agree whole heartedly with the rest of your response and praise the professional nature of it, this one line doesn't hold much water. If they had enough of time to bust out their phones and video the incident, they had plenty of time to use better judgment. I think the point of the outrage is how little human compassion was shown, not the lack of people rushing the stage to provide first aid. It shows just how far our morals and ethics have decayed over the past 2 decades of political correctness and being taught to look out only for oneself, screw everyone else. That is deplorable and I think you could agree.
 
waynegg said:
While I agree whole heartedly with the rest of your response and praise the professional nature of it, this one line doesn't hold much water. If they had enough of time to bust out their phones and video the incident
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Which they didn't. If you'll read p_f's statement, you will find that the tweets were made AFTER the fall... not during. If it was such a quick fall, there's no way anyone would have actually recognized something was wrong before he had gotten up.
 
The videos, Kayle, the videos. If you look at those you can find that are unedited, you will find that MANY began recording only just after he fell. That.

Then again, one of the first thing medical students learn now a days (my wife is in the medical field) is to be very cautious about rendering aid because you open yourself up to liability. Case in point CPR. If you accidentally crack a rib bringing someone back to life there are cases where they sue for big $$$. If you bring back a dead person who has a DNR, even bigger $$$. That's just as deplorable, but a sad reality all the same.
 
waynegg said:
The videos, Kayle, the videos. If you look at those you can find that are unedited, you will find that MANY began recording only just after he fell. That.

Then again, one of the first thing medical students learn now a days (my wife is in the medical field) is to be very cautious about rendering aid because you open yourself up to liability. Case in point CPR. If you accidentally crack a rib bringing someone back to life there are cases where they sue for big $$$. If you bring back a dead person who has a DNR, even bigger $$$. That's just as deplorable, but a sad reality all the same.
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Just out of curiosity, where are you finding these many unedited videos? Until I see them I'm sticking with my eyewitness accounts from reliable sources.
 
toxictaipan said:
I was watching a special on TV where they were setting up situations like this to see how normal people would react.

They set one up where they had a guy pretending to be a homeless man pass out on a sidewalk (in NY I think, not completely sure) to see how long it went before anyone helped him. So many people just passed him up without even calling for help it was ridiculous (this was a busy sidewalk). It finally took someone else who was once homeless to stop and ask other people for help for the man. Still took a minute before anyone else stopped to help them.


They set up another one where they had actors pretend to be initiating Fraternity and Sorority pledges in public. Plastic wrapped to a light pole and forced to chug alcohol and other stuff like that. Basically the same thing happened when they did it to a Fraternity pledge, most people ignored it. Someone eventually said something and THEN a crow gathered (that figures). What was weird was that when they were doing it to a Sorority pledge, a highschool-aged girl stopped to laugh and record it on her phone. Strikes me as odd as that could have been her in just a few years. Completely oblivious, even when it's right there in front of your own face...
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i saw the same thing. :nonono:
 
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