HGSS Prime Foil Bend Problem

[lordholly]

I am not sure this has been asked before. I did a search and did not find anything so here goes.

I have a deck based off of Prime Pokemon and some Stage 2 from earlier sets. The foil bend is so strong that no matter what I do it keeps coming back (bend in opposite direction, strong sleeves). Has anyone solved this problem (or even had it) and will it result in a marked card situation?

Thanks for any advice...

 

[Tyran-Itar]

Highly recommend just leaving them bending them the other way can and most likely will end up damaging your cards to the strong sleeves I believe the ones I put in strong sleeves still bent so i'd say just try and live with it

 

[dave321]

sleeve your deck in topholders, lawl.

 

[lordholly]

Sure, I can live with it, but if a Prime pops to the top, it is VERY noticeable and I do not want to get a marked card penalty...living with it is fine, penalties are not.

The real question for some of the judges here is will this possibly result in a marked card situation?

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sleeve your deck in topholders, lawl.

Shuffling might be a pain...I wonder if it is even legal? LOL

 

[Tyran-Itar]

wouldnt say its a marked card as its simply bent and gets pulled to the top of the sleeve im sure if you explained most hgss cards were like that theyd understand :I

 

[Forte]

toploaders lol

I agree though, all the new HGSS cards bend like crazy

 

[Controversial]

sleeve your deck in topholders, lawl.

Wouldn't be the first time someone has done it. It seems ridiculous, but some people REALLY want to go the extra mile to protect their cards, I guess.

Luckily in this game the most expensive playable cards "only" run you about $45 as a ceiling for a reasonable price. If they went for $200, you might see it tried more often in Pokemon.

 

[Chairman Kaga]

wouldnt say its a marked card as its simply bent and gets pulled to the top of the sleeve im sure if you explained most hgss cards were like that theyd understand :I

Bad advice. A bent card is most certainly marked if it's the only one, regardless of why it's defective.

If you explain the problem to the Head Judge prior to the tournament, they may be able to help you out (for example, creating a proxy card for you). If you run with the bent card anyway, expect Bad Things when deck checks come around.

 

[yoyofsho16]

If you explain the problem to the Head Judge prior to the tournament, they may be able to help you out (for example, creating a proxy card for you). If you run with the bent card anyway, expect Bad Things when deck checks come around.

Floor rules state that proxies may only be issued if the card is damaged DURING the event, no matter the circumstances. Not like I'm trying to be a wet blanket, but just sayin'.

I guess the only solution is to keep all of your Primes in toploaders, in a humidity-controlled room, until the day of the tournament.

 

[AoTF]

My Advice Place the card on a level surface and place a few heavy books on top and leave it that way for a few days. Hope that works for ya.

 

[Chairman Kaga]

Floor rules state that proxies may only be issued if the card is damaged DURING the event, no matter the circumstances. Not like I'm trying to be a wet blanket, but just sayin'.

Did you consider the last paragraph in 15.7?

In some cases, a card is damaged due to a production error. Players should do their best to
avoid playing with these cards, though sometimes that is not possible. If the judge feels that this
creates a marked‐card situation, the judge may create a proxy card to act as the damaged card
in all ways for the remainder of the tournament. The damaged card must be retained to use as a
reference when the proxy card is played.

If these cards are prone to bending, I'd call that "damage due to a production error".

Regardless, I think this is an area where we can be a bit flexible in the name of fun and fairness. I'm not going to proxy a card just because you don't want to play with it (avoiding damage is your responsibility), but if it's a key card, it's your only one, and it creates an issue through no fault of your own, and you bring it to my attention early, then I think we're okay in addressing that. "Too bad, humidity FTL" seems like a response contrary to the Spirit of the Game.

Here's one for you -- 11-year-old brand-new Senior player shows up to a tournament, skips the deck check, and in R1 is found to have an illegal deck. 56 cards, and all the Basics in the deck are out of format. According to the Penalty Guidelines, illegal (or missing) cards are replaced with basic energy. After doing this (according to the rules), you have left him with an absolutely illegal deck (no Basic Pokemon) that cannot be played. Technically, at this point your only option according to the rules is disqualification. What do you do? I can't name a single organizer or judge that would actually DQ him. We'd apologize, briefly educate him and the parent on the Modified Format, hand him a theme deck, and allow him to continue with that.

It is important for judges to consider the Spirit of the rules, not just the letter. While we must always strive to maintain the integrity of the event, there are areas like these where we can compromise without really impacting the eventual outcome.

 

[Ghost spread]

So say all my Feraligator Prime's are bending. Would I get proxies for all of them? And would I get the proxies at the deck check? All help is apreciated.

 

[Jeremy Badeaux]

If we assume that your deck runs 3 G8TR prime and all of your copies of the card are bent (easily possible with HGSS), then the next question would have to be if it creates a marked card situation (how badly are the cards bent, are they the only cards bent in the deck, etc).
No matter what though, it wouldn't be a bad thing to bring along extra sleeves for proxy purposes (if it's likely to happen anyway, you may as well be prepped for it).

It might make it easier to bring up your problem when you register at the event though (better to be proactive about it instead of waiting for somebody else).

 

[Chairman Kaga]

So say all my Feraligator Prime's are bending. Would I get proxies for all of them? And would I get the proxies at the deck check? All help is apreciated.

I can only tell you what I personally might do.

I can't tell you what other judges/TOs in other places would do. My guess is that a lot of others would not proxy in this case. I think if you are proactive about it then some of those others may be more sympathetic to you, but it is not something any judge is required to do, and not something I would count on going into a tournament.

My stance comes from working in an area that tends a lot more toward Juniors and new players, so I tend to tilt in the direction that is more beneficial to that demographic. Even with my stance it's not something I'm going to do 100% of the time. There is a lot of subjectivity in judging and this is just one of the myriad instances where different people will do things differently, and even the same person will do things differently based on the situation.

 

[Ghost spread]

Ok, thank you. I'll just try to keep them in good condition tell the tournament.

 

[PokePop]

I can only tell you what I personally might do.

I can't tell you what other judges/TOs in other places would do. My guess is that a lot of others would not proxy in this case. I think if you are proactive about it then some of those others may be more sympathetic to you, but it is not something any judge is required to do, and not something I would count on going into a tournament.

My stance comes from working in an area that tends a lot more toward Juniors and new players, so I tend to tilt in the direction that is more beneficial to that demographic. Even with my stance it's not something I'm going to do 100% of the time. There is a lot of subjectivity in judging and this is just one of the myriad instances where different people will do things differently, and even the same person will do things differently based on the situation.

Well, here's the thing: If a player brings up an issue that causes a card to marked, and no other copy of that same card is going to correct that problem, I don't see that a judge has any other choice than to proxy the cards or allow them to be played and not hit the player with any penalty for marked cards since they asked for the situation to be addressed on their own, ahead of time.

Personally, I'm with you on proxying them.