Rulemaster
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if you would have known the rules of this game and followed them, you wouldnt have had a problem
How i got kept out of Top4(Read)
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P_A
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And one last remark. Sebastian, you borrowed the Ray ex d off me before the beginning of the event. You yourself confirmed that in the very first post of the thread. I'm just curious why you didn't borrow the Cessation Crystals as well. If you had asked, I could have told you I have about 20 of them, and let you borrow those as well. I can get you proof that I let another person borrow the exact same CC's. You also got a Ray ex d from Aggy and Co. Did you ask him? Don't forget, I can confirm this very easily. Be honest here. You didn't make the effort, because you liked to have the cards that way. No question in my mind that was the case.
chriscobi634
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Seems to me, a mandatory sign should be placed above the doorway to every tournament...
Pokemon Players -- please "check your egos" before entering.
Most of this thread sounds like "damage control" to me. In between the lines, I get the impression someone is really thinking, "oh crap, they caught me". Given the overall mindset of the players here, how could the judges have ruled or reacted any differently?
C'mon now, being a judge and/or tournament organizer at these major events is an incredibly hard job. There are so many "behind the scene" things happening -- that go unrecognized -- with rarely any thanks or rewards coming from the players. Not enough credit is given to the fantastic parents and players who devote so much time to this game. Think about it, eh. Try their shoes on for a while!
Writing secret codes on your body to "remember" how to play your deck??
...oh yeah, you guys are masters all right. :lol: ROFLMAO :lol:
Pokemon Players -- please "check your egos" before entering.
Most of this thread sounds like "damage control" to me. In between the lines, I get the impression someone is really thinking, "oh crap, they caught me". Given the overall mindset of the players here, how could the judges have ruled or reacted any differently?
C'mon now, being a judge and/or tournament organizer at these major events is an incredibly hard job. There are so many "behind the scene" things happening -- that go unrecognized -- with rarely any thanks or rewards coming from the players. Not enough credit is given to the fantastic parents and players who devote so much time to this game. Think about it, eh. Try their shoes on for a while!
Writing secret codes on your body to "remember" how to play your deck??
...oh yeah, you guys are masters all right. :lol: ROFLMAO :lol:
Do you to this to EVERY card in your deck, or only 'some' of them? Because IMO this IS a marked card situation: the card(s) that has the extra piece of paper glued on ARE marked, because the thickness of those cards is different than the rest of the deck. The judge who made you proxy the cards was correct, and you should have been penalized further if only two cards (as you stated) were involved.JMHO.
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Aside from that, changing the art can throw off the opponent.
Many players are used to identifying what card they are up against by the artwork.
I was working Juniors, so I didn't see this, but it is not a good thing to do.
Drawing a moustache on every Pokemon - no problem
Changing all the art to different art - could be a problem!
And that's besides any thickness issues.
Many players are used to identifying what card they are up against by the artwork.
I was working Juniors, so I didn't see this, but it is not a good thing to do.
Drawing a moustache on every Pokemon - no problem
Changing all the art to different art - could be a problem!
And that's besides any thickness issues.
Rainbowgym
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Excuse me, the only one you should be angry at is yourself.
A hardcore tournament player who plays not solid sleeves with Japanese cards and than complain?
I can only tell you, if you had played that in some EU countries you would have received a DQ without any questions asked.
Sorry but your KEY cards (which cessation are) are easily to be recognized.
And you could have simply borrowed them, I also borrowed a card from PA.
Throne0fLegends
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well, it's over with now. Like you said, what's done is done.. lets move on! O btw, Rainbow how did your last match go? Did you come in 3rd or 4th? .. You guys did awesome there! And our first battle was definitely one to remember. Good luck in your other ones!
Rainbowgym
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Last year at Worlds my son used Dragon Shield sleeves, checked and allowed.
During CC's overhere he was told to replace them because they were too shiney????
About juniors playing 2006 WC cards, please never forget most Juniors (and even seniors) DON't have supporting parents.
Most of them are out on their own, and if a deck problem is there, they simply need another approach.
How should they get their info? Most of them are not even allowed to go on internet alone.
During CC's overhere he was told to replace them because they were too shiney????
About juniors playing 2006 WC cards, please never forget most Juniors (and even seniors) DON't have supporting parents.
Most of them are out on their own, and if a deck problem is there, they simply need another approach.
How should they get their info? Most of them are not even allowed to go on internet alone.
Rainbowgym
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Ended up 4 th, I needed my Lickitung which was prized to have change on winning on time (we were 1-1).
Made some stupid mistakes during finals and I was sooooooo tired.
But I really enjoyed playing so much, I didn't care to become 4th, heck I earned my own trophee.
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Yes this will happen in Juniors, and who should be the one to catch it? The opponent?
I will ask Arnoud about it what happened, but again, those Juniors cannot never ever be compared with Masters.
I do feel strongly there should be deckchecks in advance, but that's not my decision.
It doesn't take that much time if decks are mandated to be presented in order of the list, but you need staff the perform this, which is another problem.
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I remeber back at Stadium Challenge Back in Chicago, they had a calculator, a chair, table. There were about 5 of em. They counted up your decklist(2 mins tops) quickly checked there were 60 cards in your deck @ the same time checking the sleeves(2-3 mins) 5 mins(at the most) 5 people. And i know there were atleast 5 judges that could of done this.
Aggy&Co.
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pokekid Cmon you say the judges weren't fair. What your a master and you don't know what cards and sleeves are legal. You write on your arm to remember things, yet you play tested a hundred times.
The judges were fair and your accusations are way off base. I lost big time at the same regionals and never saw any poor judging. Just lots of poor playing on my behalf and others I spoke with and played against.
You lost. Learn from it and use the experience to move forward. Don't unjustly accuse people (judges in this case) of taking away what you thought should rightly be yours(you win first with a legal deck).
I think you owe all the judges an apology as they did do random deck checks (My daughters was one and she took 4th in juniors)
If you would have played me and I saw your Japanese cards I would have called for the judge and requested the DQ.
The judges were fair and your accusations are way off base. I lost big time at the same regionals and never saw any poor judging. Just lots of poor playing on my behalf and others I spoke with and played against.
You lost. Learn from it and use the experience to move forward. Don't unjustly accuse people (judges in this case) of taking away what you thought should rightly be yours(you win first with a legal deck).
I think you owe all the judges an apology as they did do random deck checks (My daughters was one and she took 4th in juniors)
If you would have played me and I saw your Japanese cards I would have called for the judge and requested the DQ.
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A. I did say i forgave them, Dont think Your getting an apology out of me
B. I did play with legal cards and sleeves
C. Request a DQ? Man what has happened to Canada
D. Unjust accusation? I think not, I bet I can gather up at least 10 people who agree with me
E. I really don't feel like answering to this stupid threat which i summoned
F. Ill be at Nationals to win. Prior to the tournamet I am walking to the judges and asking them to make sure everything is correct, since I know these judges(most of em atleast) want to be out ASAP so they wont do deck check.
E. Mods lock it up
Cya guys @ Nats. Ill be in anger mode which means I play fiercely and I win most matches like that.
Ugh Canada sucks.
B. I did play with legal cards and sleeves
C. Request a DQ? Man what has happened to Canada
D. Unjust accusation? I think not, I bet I can gather up at least 10 people who agree with me
E. I really don't feel like answering to this stupid threat which i summoned
F. Ill be at Nationals to win. Prior to the tournamet I am walking to the judges and asking them to make sure everything is correct, since I know these judges(most of em atleast) want to be out ASAP so they wont do deck check.
E. Mods lock it up
Cya guys @ Nats. Ill be in anger mode which means I play fiercely and I win most matches like that.
Ugh Canada sucks.
Wow. Good idea. Disparage the Nationals judges in advance. :thumb:
Yes, I wanted to get away from the play area so badly last year that I ran a tournament in the hall from 11pm to 3am, got 2 hours of sleep, and then spent the rest of the next day there too.
Spreading sunshine left and right...
Part of the difference between Worlds & Nationals and most other events is the level of staffing.
I don't know how many staff you had at your Regionals, but we had a whopping 4 judges at the Mid Atlantic Regionals.
Now, I've had that many judges running a City Championship, so you might think it was a bit thin, but we were all PTOs and TOs ourselves, so we all knew how to handle our area without too much need of support. But one thing it did cause was to make full deck checks difficult. We did Junior checks, random checks, and Top Cut checks, but there was no way with the quantity of staff to do full deck checks on everyone as they registered. Just not possible.
Nats will be a different story. We'll have a line of 10 or more judges for people to come to and even then, with the hundreds that will be there, it will be time consuming. But for a small staff and 100-200 people, it's not feasible to expect every deck to be checked at the beginning.
And even if they were...... you are still responsible for your deck.
You had legal cards. Yes
You had legal sleeves. Yes.
What you didn't have were legally sleeved cards.
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Mystery Thing
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A. I did say i forgave them, Dont think Your getting an apology out of me
B. I did play with legal cards and sleeves
C. Request a DQ? Man what has happened to Canada
D. Unjust accusation? I think not, I bet I can gather up at least 10 people who agree with me
E. I really don't feel like answering to this stupid threat which i summoned
F. Ill be at Nationals to win. Prior to the tournamet I am walking to the judges and asking them to make sure everything is correct, since I know these judges(most of em atleast) want to be out ASAP so they wont do deck check.
E. Mods lock it up
Cya guys @ Nats. Ill be in anger mode which means I play fiercely and I win most matches like that.
Ugh Canada sucks.
A. Forgive them for what? Doing their job?
B. Obviously not, or this wouldn't have happened. Believe it or not, they weren't out to get you.
C. This may come as a shock to you, but when there's significant prizes on the line, you try to do everything you can do to win.
D. Go for it.
E. Say what?
F. If you're so concerened about the attitudes of judges, then start judging yourself. You're a typical case of a person who's all for whining their brains out, but is absolutely not willing to do anything to rectify what you believe to be a problem. And not doing deck checks beforehand has nothing to do with the judges you get, but to do with the fact that THEY'RE NOT MANDITORY ANYMORE.
E. ... E comes before AND after F in the alphabet now?
And maybe you're a special case (we shall see), but a large majority of people make at least one idiotic mistake somewhere along the line when they get ticked off And, from my view, it's not like you even have a legit case to be ticked off over.
If you think Canada sucks, then feel free to stop playing. You'd be saving some people a headache that you seem to be intent on inflicting upon them. Don't be so naive that you think that there won't be some severe penalties at the US Reigonals/States too. Either that, or stop playing competetively if you can't handle the repercussions of making mistakes.
P_A
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Hmmm, this sounds a little fishy, since you stated earlier either in your first post that you deleted, or in person that you had them from States (provincials), and couldn't understand what the problem was. You've lied one way or the other, or your deck sleeves have gotten thin, you've tried to get an advantage in more ways than one, which in both cases got you caught, even though you only received the penalty for one (and a light one at that), in my opinion have tried to cheat to gain an unfair advantage, and then you come on here and insult, and threaten the judging staff, and sully other people's reputation or credibility? The only thing that kept you out of the top 4 was your own "win at all costs" attitude. I have nothing further to say to you. :nonono: Believe me, everyone. I've never said that to anyone else in my life. And I'm 44. Yes, by all means lock this. I'm through here.
Pokepop- alright ill agree with you
Mystery- Out yourself in my shoes. How would you feel? GG.
Reading these responses makes me feel more frustrated than at regionals.
Yah thats my attitude win at all costs. You play to win the game, but I can assure you, swearing to god i did not cheat.
Mystery- Out yourself in my shoes. How would you feel? GG.
Reading these responses makes me feel more frustrated than at regionals.
Yah thats my attitude win at all costs. You play to win the game, but I can assure you, swearing to god i did not cheat.
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