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Inception (potential spoilers)

Azure Kite

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Hey guys, I felt like I needed to top my 'The Last Airbender' thread with a positive one. That bad movie left me needing a pick me up, and Inception did the trick. And no, I'm not going to post regular movie reviews on the 'gym. (Unless of course you people beg me, which I'm almost certain you won't) I just wanted to top my previous movie topic with a positive one.

I'd like to hear your opinions on this movie, and what you thought of it. I'll be giving mine first though. Cuz that's just how I roll. (I'll try to keep it short, but no promises)

My Microscopic Premise

First off, I'll say that my opinion is very positive, so don't freak out and expect more rage from me over a crappy movie. This one was certainly not in anyway crappy. So, Inception is about a guy with a troubled past, who does jobs for people which involves stealing memories and information via the subconscious mind, or 'dream world'. And that's all the premise you'll get from me. Go see the movie if you want to fully appreciate my opinion.

Intro and overall Opinion

Now, you've probably heard good things about it. I know I did. Just from the trailer, I was decided about going to see it. Producer Christopher Nolan had already made his mark with other great movies, one of the latest being the amazing Dark Knight. Obviously his named attached to the movie made it a must see, and gave everyone high hopes. Needless to say, he delivered. I'll just say this now. Inception is everything you've heard and a bag of chips. But not any bag of chips. No, this was all that and a 6 pack of family sized, 'Spicy Nacho' Doritos. This movie started off like others such as the Illusionist or The Blind Side, which opened with a scene which was unexplainable unless you already knew what happened. The movie then proceeds, and towards the middle or end of the movie, the scene is shown again and completed, and everyone is like 'ooooh so that's what that means'. The movie also has a good number of fine actors, including Leonardo D'whateverthecrapriohisnamehis, Ellen Page, And Joseph Gordon-Levitt. (I think that was his name)

The Acting

Not much can be said about the acting when it comes to my reviews. If the acting is good, you won't notice it. You'll be too much into the fake reality that the movie gives you. Unlike The Last Airbender, where my mind just got a headache from the awkwardness of the dialog, everything in this movie seemed real and genuine. That's the way you want it. The only criticism I would have is that some sentences seemed rushed and mumbled, and I had a hard time understand somethings. But the sincerity of the scene was still retained, which is the main job of the actor/actress, so not much to complain about there. I guess this criticism would fall more to the editors, and not balancing the diolog and the background noise better. But hey, it's overshadowed by the rest of the epicness of the movie, like the rest of my complaints.

The Epic Timing/Brilliant concepts

Every movie needs it. Though every movie we see is fiction(excluding documentaries, of course) , the brilliance of the overall movie construction is still something I marvel at, and something I believe takes real skill and ingenuity. That's what the writers and creators of this movie had. The team eventually assembled ultimately delves deep into 3 dreams. A dream inside a dream inside a dream. It's a big adventure, made perilous by the fact that if anyone dies, unlike a normal dream, (where if you die, you wake up) they go into a state of mental limbo, where they can be stuck for ages, or forever. Apparently, if they can make it back, it will drive them insane and make impossible to distinguish the real from dream worlds. (this is further detailed in the movie, so don't take my amateur description for fact)There are also factors such as the way to bring someone out of the dream, known as a 'kick'. (The idea that tipping someone backwards, or the feeling of falling, will instantly bring someone back to reality) And finally, the idea that inside each dream, an hour is 5 minutes in the real world. Obviously then, if the loop continues, a dream within a dream within a dream can go for a very long time, though short in real life. (it's hard to understand, I know) All these brilliant factors thought and put together in the fast paced action just works brilliantly. And at the climax of the movie, it all comes together and the timing just works. No better way to describe it.

The Unrealisticity (my made up word)

Now, WHENEVER I call something unrealistic in a movie, please understand that I mean it in the most relative sense possible. Obviously, almost all movies we see had things that could never be genuinely replicated IRL. (in real life, DUH)

Now I will say that these are my lone criticisms, so bear with them. It is very unclear throughout the movie how known this concept of dream entering and engineering is. One of the individuals in the movie that joins the team specialized in sedatives, which he gives to people who want to escape real life, and have made their dream reality. Obviously, they know of it. Also, one person in the movie has apparently had himself trained to have his mind protected against people who could enter his dreams. Obviously he knows of it. On the flip side, Ellen Page's character Ariadne, who is an architecture student, has never really heard of it. So it does leave the viewer wondering. In addition, she initially turns down the idea as crazy and a bit disturbing, though she returns. It's the reaction any normal person would have to something like that, if it were real.

I was also slightly frustrated/intrigued by the fact that the movie really wasn't about stealing dreams at all. It talks of it, but really the idea is planting a false idea. Making the subject believe something else than what's truth, which is revealed in the dream. (this is known as Inception, the movie's title) Not once do we see how the extractors simply steal information via the dream world.

Summation

Throughout all the brilliantness that this movie is, I think the ending is my favorite. It leaves everyone happy. I can't go into how it all works out, so you'll just have to go see it for yourself. The Wikipedia page also helps understanding it better, so I'd recommend checking that out. This is the kind of movie that might just bring you to tears at the end. Just slightly. I didn't cry, but it was one where I felt like I could've. And few movies can do that. At the very end, Dom (the main character) is re-united with his children which he hasn't seen in a long time. Before he goes to see them, he spins a top/gyro type toy on the table, an item which had been prevalent throughout the movie. The idea was that if the top stopped spinning, it meant you weren't in a dream. If it kept spinning, and never stopped, you were dreaming. As he's with his kids, the camera goes to the top, which starts to wobble, but the screen goes to black before it stops, which begs the question of whether or not he's still dreaming. It's that kind of cliffhanger-yet-still-satisfying ending which myself and many others love, and I'm sure you will to. Overall, I'd say that you really must see this movie. Some have called it the best movie they've ever seen, and I don't blame them. I'd have to watch it again before I choose, but I will have to say it's right up there in the top 5 list.

Go see this movie, give your opinion of it, give your opinion of my opinion of it, and I'll give my opinion of your opinion of it, or my opinion of your opinion of my opinion of it. I may just give an opinion of my own opinion of it. OR, I might even give my opinion of my opinion of your opinion of my opin- *is shot*

And with that, I'll leave you with a little article on Wikipedia which talks about Christopher Nolan's ideas when making this outstanding film. Adios, Pokegym'ers.



Inception was first developed by Christopher Nolan, based on the notion of "exploring the idea of people sharing a dream space—entering a dream space and sharing a dream. That gives you the ability to access somebody’s unconscious mind. What would that be used and abused for?" Furthermore, he thought "being able to extract information from somebody’s brain would be the obvious use of that because obviously any other system where it’s computers or physical media, whatever—things that exist outside the mind—they can all be stolen ... up until this point, or up until this movie I should say, the idea that you could actually steal something from somebody’s head was impossible. So that, to me, seemed a fascinating abuse or misuse of that kind of technology".

He had thought about these ideas on and off since he was 16 years old, intrigued by how he would wake up and then, while falling back into a lighter sleep, hold on to the awareness that he was dreaming, a lucid dream. He also became aware of the feeling that he could study the place and alter the events of the dream. He said, "I tried to work that idea of manipulation and management of a conscious dream being a skill that these people have. Really the script is based on those common, very basic experiences and concepts, and where can those take you? And the only outlandish idea that the film presents, really, is the existence of a technology that allows you to enter and share the same dream as someone else". Harvard University dream researcher Deirdre Barrett points out that Nolan did not get every detail accurate to real dreams, but that films which really do that "... tend to have illogical, rambling, disjointed plots which wouldn’t make for a great thriller. But he did get many aspects right", she said, citing the scene in which a sleeping DiCaprio is shoved into a full bath and water starts gushing into the windows of the building he is dreaming, waking him up. "That's very much how real stimuli get incorporated, and you very often wake up right after that intrusion."

PS: I just realized that this wasn't very short. Oopsies. Whatever. lol
 
The crowd "ahh'd!" simultaneously at the end when we didn't know if the top fell or not XD

Amazing movie!
 
It definitely wasn't one of the greatest films I've ever seen, nor was it amazing. It was, however, pretty darned great. One of the best movies I've seen this year for sure. :D
 
It was a good film, but I'd probably rate both Memento and The Dark Knight above it. Just IMO.

Like kwisdumb said, it was pretty great, not one of my favourite films ever.
 
Best film of the year imo. Even just barely beats out Toy Story 3 in my book, which up to now was best movie of the year XD

Honestly though, you know despite how awesome Inception is, it's going to be screwed out of any Academy Awards, probably to yet another indie movie that gets released at the butt-end of the year that your regular person will never have heard of and care even less about.
 
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Inception was a good film. It feels like a much greater film, but that's only because 2010 has been a terrible year. The only good films to come out so far this year is Toy Story 3, Shutter Island, Kick-***, and How to Train your Dragon. If you haven't noticed we're at the end of JULY. That's a lot of time for only four movies to do good. So, it's been a pretty terrible year.

But, about Inception, it was very original. And that's a big plus because lately Hollywood has been doing re-boots and adaptation films. Everything is based on a comic book, television show, or a re-boot! We need some original stuff in Hollywood to do good.

The writing is only good in certain ways. The first hour of the film is exposition, explaining the world and it's rules. It goes so fast it's tough to keep up. You don't really have a lot of room to learn about the characters and some of the minor points of the world. Why does Leonardo DiCaprio even need to do this job to get back to the US? There HAS to be a simpler way to get back home... Who is this kid and why should we care about him and his dead father's company? Who are the bad guys exactly and why are they such a big deal? The bad guys of course are Mal and the projections in the business kid's mind. For some reason Leonardo brings in Mal in each of his dreams and she is a trained ninja? The projections in the business kid's mind are faceless robots we don't even care about? This sucks. At least in The Matrix, Agent Smith was a character we could care about who had dialogue.

Wait a minute! The rule earlier in the film was that you can die in a dream and you wake up, no biggie! Now you are changing the rules at the end of the film? Now if you die you go in limbo? Seems pretty lame you have to change the rules at the end of the movie for convenience! Weak writing and terribly noticeable cop-out. Also, the architect, or Juno, can change the world at her will. But if she does that, the projections get pissed off. Okay, so when they are at the snow bunker, why doesn't Juno just change the layout to make a direct path there? They never take advantage of Juno's ability to change the world...

Anyway, the CGI, action scenes, and everything technical was PHENOMENAL. That is easily the greatest thing about this film, the zero-G scene was breathtaking. But it doesn't matter how good the CGI is, it won't fix a few plot holes and lame excuses to change rules at the end.

Also, I'm really curious to know what Leonardo's totem was. If you notice he has his wife's totem, the silver top. What was his totem before that? Some people were guessing it was his kids, but that's not very practical.

It was one of the greatest films I've ever seen. You pretty much said everything.

Either you don't know anything about the medium of film or you have only watched like thirty or so films. Inception isn't even close to being the greatest film ever made. Yes, I know it's #3 on the top 250 http://www.imdb.com/chart/top But that's just because it's still riding on hype. Give it a few months and it'll drop down (as does all new films).

I still don't know what Hurt Locker or w/e it's called is.
Hurt Locker is a great film about a few soldiers in Iraq who work as a bomb squad. Highly recommended.
 
Honestly though, you know despite how awesome Inception is, it's going to be screwed out of any Academy Awards, probably to yet another indie movie that gets released at the butt-end of the year that your regular person will never have heard of and care even less about.

Unfortunately, like the Dark Knight, that's what I'm expecting. I'm sure it'll be nominated for something, or maybe win something, but I honestly don't think it'll get much attention at the academy awards.

The writing is only good in certain ways. The first hour of the film is exposition, explaining the world and it's rules. It goes so fast it's tough to keep up. You don't really have a lot of room to learn about the characters and some of the minor points of the world. Why does Leonardo DiCaprio even need to do this job to get back to the US?He's wanted first of all because his wife framed him for what was actually her suicide, so he would have incentive to kill himself too and join her. Secondly, his 'extracting' is already illegal and he's wanted for that. He couldn't go anywhere in the States and be safe. The last guy he does that job for (the guy who gets shot) is the guy who can clear his name with a phone call. That's why he does it. There HAS to be a simpler way to get back home... Who is this kid and why should we care about him and his dead father's company? This kid(Fischer) was a business rival of the guy they do the job for. When Fischer's father dies, he'll inherit the company. The idea is to use Inception (planting an idea) to get Fischer to do something other than run his father's company, so that Leo's character's employer (I forget his name) will have no business competition. And I think it was a bit more than that. Like, Fischer would make the company a world energy power or something. So it wasn't all greed driven.Who are the bad guys exactly and why are they such a big deal? The bad guys of course are Mal and the projections in the business kid's mind. For some reason Leonardo brings in Mal in each of his dreams and she is a trained ninja? Really, the only bad guys are the minds of the dreamers themselves, and in this situation Leo's character(Dom) 's dead wife, Mal. He can't let her go, and all she has to do is work with the subconscious mind of the dreamer to ruin the mission. She doesn't have to be a trained ninja. Though that would be cool. lolThe projections in the business kid's mind are faceless robots we don't even care about? This sucks. At least in The Matrix, Agent Smith was a character we could care about who had dialogue. They were barely there for anytime at all. The last thing we need is another face to worry about. You said yourself that we sped through character development quickly, and it's hard to keep track of. Also, in the Matrix, there was a definite enemy. The enemy of the mind is a completely different concept, and other than Mal, no enemy of the mind will be following the protagonists throughout the entire movie.

Wait a minute! The rule earlier in the film was that you can die in a dream and you wake up, no biggie! Now you are changing the rules at the end of the film? Now if you die you go in limbo? Seems pretty lame you have to change the rules at the end of the movie for convenience! Weak writing and terribly noticeable cop-out. Well, they had already explained that because they were using a sedative to stay in the dream longer, dying would be an unnatural way to wake up, and it's not meant to combat with the sedative. That way, the only way to get out of the dream would be a 'kick'. IMO, it was a brilliant exchange. Prolong the dream, increase the risk. It was the best possible way Nolan could add peril to the adventure. Also, the architect, or Juno, can change the world at her will. But if she does that, the projections get pissed off. Okay, so when they are at the snow bunker, why doesn't Juno just change the layout to make a direct path there? They never take advantage of Juno's ability to change the world...Well you just said it, the projections get angry. She designs the dreams BEFORE they enter the dream. Like you've said, they'll get angry if they do it during the dream.

Anyway, the CGI, action scenes, and everything technical was PHENOMENAL. That is easily the greatest thing about this film, the zero-G scene was breathtaking. But it doesn't matter how good the CGI is, it won't fix a few plot holes and lame excuses to change rules at the end. IMO they were good excuses, but hey, just an opinion.

Also, I'm really curious to know what Leonardo's totem was. If you notice he has his wife's totem, the silver top. What was his totem before that? Some people were guessing it was his kids, but that's not very practical.I dunno, I always thought he only discovered the need for a totem after he got back from limbo. I don't think he saw the need for it before Mal's death, where she didn't have a totem so she couldn't tell the difference between the dream and real worlds. And it's because of that that I don't think Mal ever had a totem in the first place. She didn't use the top as a totem. I think it was more an analogy used in the dream, which Dom then adopted as his own totem.

I've answered your points in bold. They're good points, and even I had to read the plot outline on Wikipedia after seeing it. It made a lot more sense after that, so I'd recommend it to you as well. Not trying to start a debate with any of this, just trying to clear up anything I find to be a misconception.

Thanks for the comments, guys. I honestly agree that it may just be because we haven't had that many good movies lately that people call it 'the greatest movie of all time'. And I think opinions will even out after a while, but either way, this was still an amazing movie, that I'd recommend to everyone as a modern masterpiece.
 
Unfortunately, like the Dark Knight, that's what I'm expecting. I'm sure it'll be nominated for something, or maybe win something, but I honestly don't think it'll get much attention at the academy awards.

If the Awards were to happen right now, it would win best screenplay.

But there's still half a year of films left and it might not win that category. It will be nominated for best screenplay, best director, and probably best cgi. But I think Tron Legacy will win that, which comes out in December.

I'm a huge film nerd so yeah. :)
 
Either you don't know anything about the medium of film or you have only watched like thirty or so films. Inception isn't even close to being the greatest film ever made. Yes, I know it's #3 on the top 250 http://www.imdb.com/chart/top But that's just because it's still riding on hype. Give it a few months and it'll drop down (as does all new films).

That's why I said it was one of the greatest films I've ever seen. Films mean different things to different people. I can say it's one of the greatest based on what I've seen and how I interpret/relate to it. I'm sure there will never be a film that is agreed by EVERYONE as the greatest film EVER. That's why I added that it is out of the ones I've seen. Because I knew someone like you would come along and complain about it not being good enough for you.

Jesus, always with people coming along to pi$s all over someone's parade. Oh, you enjoyed a movie and thought it was great in so many ways? Well, too bad, I'm going to explain to you all of the reasons that it SUCKED.
 
Jesus, always with people coming along to pi$s all over someone's parade. Oh, you enjoyed a movie and thought it was great in so many ways? Well, too bad, I'm going to explain to you all of the reasons that it SUCKED.

It's a public forum, dude. That's what happens.

Don't want to hear it? Don't post.
 
Already had to delete one post, guys. Don't make me delete anymore. This debate ends now. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and it's only a display of immaturity to take offense to random nonsense. Further posts should only be organized posts, discussing the topic at hand. I'm only saying it once...
 
Apparently I'm too stupid to debate "correctly." It wasn't random nonsense that I took offense to. It was him essentially calling me an idiot that I took offense to.
 
I had a discussion recently with a friend and he feels that Inception is a lot like Dreamscape (1984).

Anyone else seen Inception and Dreamscape?
 
I had a discussion recently with a friend and he feels that Inception is a lot like Dreamscape (1984).

Anyone else seen Inception and Dreamscape?

Never heard of it...but looking on Wikipedia, if that poster art didn't look like it was trying to buy off some of the hype from Indiana Jones lol...
 
Azure Kite said:
Not once do we see how the extractors simply steal information via the dream world.

Wasn't that like the first ten minutes of the movie when Dom steals the papers from the Japanese guy? :X I'm confused that you say he never steals anything.

Anyway, this is an amazing movie. The best so far this year IMO. The sound was simply superb as was practically the whole rest of the movie. I'm just so glad another blockbuster was made by Nolan that cements how good of a director he really is.

dmaster out.
 
Wasn't that like the first ten minutes of the movie when Dom steals the papers from the Japanese guy? :X I'm confused that you say he never steals anything.

Well yeah that's like the only other time he goes on a mission in someone's dream, and remember that was actually a test. Their employer for their next job and the main one of the movie was seeing if they were good enough for the job.
 
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