sebastianlugo
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Not at all, it used to be a competitive game. Now is such a bingo.
Seriously?? pokemon is a cartoon tv show. Why it wouldn't be played by kids?
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Is Pokemon still a popular competitive game?
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Not at all, it used to be a competitive game. Now is such a bingo.
Seriously?? pokemon is a cartoon tv show. Why it wouldn't be played by kids?
I don't think I can really reply to this without getting in trouble, but basically, I just want to say you are wrong.
Totally wrong. Pokemon is a game for all-ages, and will continue to cater to ALL ages, not just the older crowd.
But cutting the younger age divisions doesn't do this, I don't think. If the problem is prize support, small entry fees need to be added, rather than cutting younger age division (btw, I really mean small. Like free BRs and maybe Cities, and then 5 dollar States, Regionals, maybe 10 for Nationals or something).
You also have to remember that P!Ps primary purpose is really advertising and brand management. That's the whole reason organized play exists, and to cut out younger age division would really hurt their brand. Not only that, but Pokemon is really the only kid friendly TCG out there (No, YuGiOh isn't. Have you been to a YuGiOh tourney? Not very kid friendly at all.), and it'd be a shame to lose that "edge".
Benzo
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@ post #25 So, my soon to be THREE YEAR-OLD SON who has a POP ID should wait 12 more years too be a player?
I am sorry, but your statement in getting kids out of the scene is a bit of IMO saying that it is ok for YOU to grow up with something, but other's should not be able too?
In my experiance with PTCG: 4 of my kids have all learned HOW TO READ because they wanted to play. They learned more then just reading improvement, but thinking/stratagy skills to solve problems.
I could say WAY more on this- but for the sake of a long post- If it is the atmosphere of the game at events you feel that needs to "grow up"- then become more mature by targeting that aspect vs taking aim at the players who will keep the game going in the future.
Keep in mind that Pokemon does it's best to cater to ALL AGES- as Pokemon has been proven to be beneficial for FAMILIES and INDIVIDUALS at many levels- if the card game is targeted only for an older audiance, there would be no reason to print cards that are "not even good/playable in a metagame".
Be more open minded with your target's in areas that you feel needs improvement- you say that the core fans have grown up- but it seems that you have not matured enough to see what the game has to offer to everyone else.
I am sorry, but your statement in getting kids out of the scene is a bit of IMO saying that it is ok for YOU to grow up with something, but other's should not be able too?
In my experiance with PTCG: 4 of my kids have all learned HOW TO READ because they wanted to play. They learned more then just reading improvement, but thinking/stratagy skills to solve problems.
I could say WAY more on this- but for the sake of a long post- If it is the atmosphere of the game at events you feel that needs to "grow up"- then become more mature by targeting that aspect vs taking aim at the players who will keep the game going in the future.
Keep in mind that Pokemon does it's best to cater to ALL AGES- as Pokemon has been proven to be beneficial for FAMILIES and INDIVIDUALS at many levels- if the card game is targeted only for an older audiance, there would be no reason to print cards that are "not even good/playable in a metagame".
Be more open minded with your target's in areas that you feel needs improvement- you say that the core fans have grown up- but it seems that you have not matured enough to see what the game has to offer to everyone else.
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baby mario
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It's the kids (or really their parents) that put the 'serious money' into the game anyway with their random buying at Walmart.
sebastianlugo
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LOL! I would like to hear Achmed telling him SILENCE! I'll kill u :lol:
Regis_Neo
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Yeah I'm sorry...even if the core fan base like myself (who started playing ever since it came out in the US) grew up, there's no way I'd ever want to alienate it from the kids, as Pokemon at its heart is meant FOR kids, not for the few of us who're still somehow playing after 12+ years. I mean, if you want a CCG for an "older" crowd, go look at MTG or YGO.
I'm sorry, I should have been more clear... this is what I've heard from people, I haven't actually experienced it. However, I do know for a fact that MtG tends to attract more adults and older teens and carries a different tone to it than Pokemon does.
I'm not bashing Pokemon in any way, shape, or form (or, at least, I'm not trying to); in fact I love the game, and find it more enjoyable than Magic the Gathering.
I plan on heading to my local bi-weekly Pokemon League to check out the local scene as soon as I have a free Sunday.
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PokemonPizzaParty
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@Imhotep:Really? I'm -15, and I would like to say, a majority of the juniors, and the younger seiniors are competitive players! I dont want to wait another few years to play again. And like said before, if they were to kick out kids, they would lose TONS of money. Pokemon doesnt have the "look" as if it would be an adult tcg, unlike magic and ygo, if they looked more kid friendly, maybe i wouldve played them, but they didnt , so i dont.They would have to change EVERYTHING about it to make it more adult appealing because the pokemon look the way they do because its aimed towards kids.Pokemon is obviously aimed for kids, because they dont have some more adult appealing pokemon. I hope actually MORE kids will start playing. 'Cause a bunch dont even know its a card game. </end/rant>
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I agree that kids shouldn't be "banned" from this game (the whole thought is utterly ridiculous), but all I can say is this: when I told some of my friends I was thinking of picking up the Pokemon TCG, they bawled over laughing. >.>
My suggestion there is force them to play the TCG with you, or get them to play the games. I know I fell into the "Pokemon is lame" camp for a little while, but when I tried the 4th gen games when they came out I realized how silly that was. Pokemon is awesome
Articjedi
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And how old are your friends? After all.
http://www.awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=032910
I'm in grad school now (2 years to go YES), most of my friends think it's pretty cool, I have something I'm devoted to.
http://www.awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=032910
I'm in grad school now (2 years to go YES), most of my friends think it's pretty cool, I have something I'm devoted to.
The key to making the game more serious/competitive isn't to eliminate the Junior and Senior age divisions, it's to create further separation between the JR/SRs and the MAs.
Why not start charging the MA players a small fee for tournaments in exchange for better prizes and coverage? BRs should always be free, maybe CCs cost $5 and the packs are increased? States costs $10 and we get trophies back? Regionals cost $20 and we get trophies and maybe another trip or more scholarship money or playmats, or something?
I don't see why that wouldn't work, as pretty much every defense against Pokemon improving/becoming more serious boils down to "=\ think of the children"
Why not start charging the MA players a small fee for tournaments in exchange for better prizes and coverage? BRs should always be free, maybe CCs cost $5 and the packs are increased? States costs $10 and we get trophies back? Regionals cost $20 and we get trophies and maybe another trip or more scholarship money or playmats, or something?
I don't see why that wouldn't work, as pretty much every defense against Pokemon improving/becoming more serious boils down to "=\ think of the children"
Box of Fail
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I don't know if 'becoming more serious' is necessarily good. Pokémon is a side hobby to many. It is a way of life for a VERY small minority who are so worried about making it as much of a game of skill as possible. Catering to them wouldn't be good business; even among masters the game isn't usually taken super seriously except when we cut to the top 20% or so.
I don't think we ought to charge the masters... sends the wrong message, and poképarents make up a good portion of the masters demographic. Even in masters, I think that Pokémon is first and foremost a not very serious, casual hobby, and THEN a test of skill with stuff at stake.
That being said, I think kids would like trophies as would adults.
I don't think we ought to charge the masters... sends the wrong message, and poképarents make up a good portion of the masters demographic. Even in masters, I think that Pokémon is first and foremost a not very serious, casual hobby, and THEN a test of skill with stuff at stake.
That being said, I think kids would like trophies as would adults.
Hahaha yep, high school...
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I dig making the Masters division a more serious endgame, but look at what happened to WoW. WotLK came out, and the famous, renowned, SMALL PERCENTAGE of the WoW population demanded harder, more impossible, longer raids and heroics. Blizzard thus created harder, more difficult, and much longer heroics, and raids that were harder to complete.
And you know what happened? There was a population spike at the beginning, but then it plummeted (as with every expansion, but with Cata more so). Also one of the reasons I finally had to drop the game -- it just took too long to get anything done anymore.
So I say that although I'd like to see Masters played on a more serious level, I agree that this game is just a side hobby for some (unlike Magic the Gathering and WoW, which are lifestyles for a select few within their respective populations), and that making the Masters game a "serious" one might put off a number of otherwise great players who would have otherwise been interested in competing, and potentially doing very well.
so (P)TOs must run double the number of events, so as not to 'contaminate' the masters with the juniors/seniors and their parents who also play? =/
if this is what you want you're playing the wrong game.
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ogremarauder
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if this is the case, play poker.