Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Is quad sigilyph still viable?

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animus303

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It won the Cities I went to prior to plasma storm, and I had seen the card still teched at States, but are there still any decks that make good use of this card as a primary form of protection? Like maybe Gallade/Sigilyph/Mewtwo? Just curious.
 
with regular victini refliptini plus powers and lasers 130 is the magic number against kyurem after u ko kyurem sigilyph kills tdk
against darkrai victini kills absol and u u sigilyph away.
 
Just Quad Sig, no, but 4 Sigs with techs seems viable. Variants I've seen are more anti-meta decks. Klinklang isn't a problem if it runs Victini. Heavy Drifblim and enhanced hammer has been suggested for Plasma, but I'm not sure if it's enough to turn the match up personally. The real bad match up is Darkrai, it seems unwinnable if it runs hammers and Absol.
 
Shen said:
Just Quad Sig, no, but 4 Sigs with techs seems viable.
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Time to remind everyone why I am not just neurotic for being a stickler about "meaning".

The "infamous" Quad Sigilyph deck that Tham Kennard used to win the Southeast Asia Regional Championship had six Pokémon; quadruple Sigilyph and double Mewtwo EX. There seems to be two definitions for "quad", and while it might seem contradictory to some of my other stands, I believe both are valid.

Definition A: A deck build around four copies of the same Pokémon, with no other Pokémon. See also "True Quad" deck.

Definition B: A deck build around four copies of the same Pokémon, where the Pokémon in question is of extreme significance.

Definition B needs work, because I wouldn't call a Deluge deck "Quad Squirtle" because while important, Squirtle is being run to Evolve. On the other hand, "Quad Deoxys EX" might be a valid name for the strategy built around using Power Connect to boost an additional Pokémon being used as the deck's main attacker. Considering how many real world terms have divisions like this, I believe it preserves the usefulness of the word and is ultimately less misleading than forcing once definition or the other.

I believe the "true" Quad Sigilyph deck was never a legitimately viable strategy, and the version Mr. Kennard used won due to his skill and luck plus his opponent's decision to ignore the possibility someone would run such a thing. He read the metagame accurately, others didn't, plus if you've read his report, he honestly was fortunate as the opponent's prepared to bypass Safeguard. Note that I do not wish to diminish his win. That is the downside of how this game works; he may still have won if, for example his first round opponent ran two non-Pokémon-EX to attack with, and one was Prized.

As soon as we get Silver Mirror I think Sigilyph (Safeguard version) and Latias EX could make a pretty solid wall deck. Most decks that can deal with the effect of one or the other can't also deal with Silver Mirror... other than with Tool Scrapper (or a similar card), of course.
 
Otaku said:
As soon as we get Silver Mirror I think Sigilyph (Safeguard version) and Latias EX could make a pretty solid wall deck. Most decks that can deal with the effect of one or the other can't also deal with Silver Mirror... other than with Tool Scrapper (or a similar card), of course.
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Indeed. But it'll be Suicune, not sigilyph, thanks to a better attack. Go check out the japanese lists for it. Pair it with terrakion, who retaliates to the face anything attempting to take it out.
 
Played a quad Sigilyph + quad Aerodactyl at a BR. Ended up 3-3, but lost one match to a really stupid misplay. The deck has potential, but it's difficult to time your plays just right. Energy also becomes an issue.

I was fully expecting to be using Aerodactyl to turn the tide against Darkrai and.... I didn't face a single Darkrai deck. *facepalm* Did manage to beat a GothiGor lock deck, though. :)
 
cabd said:
Indeed. But it'll be Suicune, not sigilyph, thanks to a better attack. Go check out the japanese lists for it. Pair it with terrakion, who retaliates to the face anything attempting to take it out.
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So... a completely different deck. :lol:

Sounds interesting though, and given my track record, if I had to pick between yours and mine... well I would pick mine, but that's because I am stubborn and like to use my own ideas; yours is probably better.

How do you get Terrakion ready in a single turn?
 
It's not my deck, otaku. It's the winning list from the most recent set of battle carnivals.

From Restless Bob's thread:

Pokemon 7
4x Suicune Blastoise + Kyurem EX Combo Deck
3x Terrakion Noble Victories

Supporter 14
4x Professor Juniper
4x N
4x Skyla
2x Bianca

Item 23
4x Pokemon Catcher
4x Switch
4x Silver Mirror
4x Eviolite
2x Ultra Ball
2x Energy Search
1x Revive
1x Tool Scrapper
1x Dowsing Machine

Stadium 2
2x Tropical Beach

Energy 14
5x Water Energy
5x Fighting Energy
4x Double Colorless Energy
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Um, cabd, did you realize that the point of the thread is Sigilyph and not Suicune? Anyway, Sigilyph is a good card. It has 90HP and a good ability. Not to mention a decent attack. It's not Team Plasma decks, Deluge decks, or even Dark decks that give this card a hard time, its Cobalion EX which gives this card a hard time. So, instead of playing this card as a main attacker in a deck, play it as a tech card in decks that can play it.

Quad Sigilyph- Probably not gonna be viable.

Sigilyph as a tech- Good idea. :thumb:
 
PMysterious said:
Um, cabd, did you realize that the point of the thread is Sigilyph and not Suicune?
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Natural outgrowth of the conversation; feel free to take it back to the main topic. At the very least, I am the one who asked for more details on Suicune. :rolleyes:

@cabd: Just to clarify a point, originally you responded to me proposing a Sigilyph (Safeguard version)/Latias EX deck. If it wasn't for the fact the list you posted lacked Blend Energy :water::lightning::fighting::metal:, I would think that one of the main reasons to favor Suicune (there are others, just saying that would stand out). For example, using Latias EX with Suicune would require even more Basic Energy, I would think.

PMysterious said:
Anyway, Sigilyph is a good card. It has 90HP and a good ability. Not to mention a decent attack. It's not Team Plasma decks, Deluge decks, or even Dark decks that give this card a hard time, its Cobalion EX which gives this card a hard time. So, instead of playing this card as a main attacker in a deck, play it as a tech card in decks that can play it.
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Explain please.

Cobalion EX is finally branching out and seeing more play... but is it really as popular as Team Plasma, Deluge, or Darkrai EX decks, let alone all three combined? I understand that Cobalion EX gives Sigilyph some problems, as Steel Bullet punches through Safeguard but... Steel Bullet isn't a fast attack, and Sigilyph was supposed to be running Crushing Hammer and Enhanced Hammer, wasn't it? Righteous Edge is only a problem if Garbodor is shutting down Abilities... in which case any attacker is a problem for Sigilyph. Of course the Resistance is also a problem, but again, I am mostly questioning the scale of your statement.
 
The trouble with Sigilyph is that almost every tier 1/2 deck out there includes a good answer for it.

Darkrai has Absol PLF
Plasma has Kyurem PLF
Goth Lock has Accelgor
Klinklang has Cobalion-EX, Cobalion NVI
Garbodor decks have Garbodor

The possible exceptions are Rayeels decks that don't run Little Quaza or Zekrom, and Blastoise decks that don't run Baby BK (though they can always attack with Blastoise). The old Big Basics decks have almost disappeared from competitive play now.

Quad Sigilyph was a meta counter for a meta where most of the top decks had no non-EX attacker, or only subpar options like Sableye/Dark Claw or Bouffalant. The meta shift with the last two sets, including the introduction of Laserbank, means that Quad Sigilyph can no longer be relied upon to do what it was designed for.

The Suicune/Terrakion deck belongs to yet another different format, so of course the comparison is of little use right now.
 
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