PokemonTrader
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You don't have all that money to spend at once?
Japanese VS set
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You don't have all that money to spend at once?
no if someone is going to buy 1 card for $30 like Karen's Umbreon and its not a promo but part of the set, they got a couple hundred to fork out for the complete set.
Thats the mentality that collecting brings especially to VS set cards that I have seen anyway.
What gets me is I got VS Rocket's Tyranitar numbered 142/141 I think it is, the one that comes out of the theme decks, go on ebay look for that card and you wont find it, you find the Umbreon more, do you think the Tyranitar sells for more? probably not, its just how retarded the collecting market of Pokemon has gotten. I havent even been able to move the VS Steel Energy holo I got either, perhaps because its an energy.
Since coming back to game, I havent been too fond of the collecting market and where it has went. Everything is half ummmmm backwards.
Thats the mentality that collecting brings especially to VS set cards that I have seen anyway.
What gets me is I got VS Rocket's Tyranitar numbered 142/141 I think it is, the one that comes out of the theme decks, go on ebay look for that card and you wont find it, you find the Umbreon more, do you think the Tyranitar sells for more? probably not, its just how retarded the collecting market of Pokemon has gotten. I havent even been able to move the VS Steel Energy holo I got either, perhaps because its an energy.
Since coming back to game, I havent been too fond of the collecting market and where it has went. Everything is half ummmmm backwards.
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raichuforyou
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Usually popularity overrules rarity. For example, Shining Charizard costs more than any other shining card. Is it rarer? no. But the fact that it is a Charizard is enough to make people pay more for it.
Shining Charizard is quite rare, more rare now than when it was released.
is it over priced? most likely still.
I got no problem with Charizards being popular, they always have been and people will shell out money for them. But it seems like the things that are in demand and having people shelling out money for it, more than what its worth IMO is a real mystery at times IMO. I think the VS cards top that list though.
Since VS cards are popular though, what about Team Rocket? Mostly speaking on the Japanese? You think it would be like VS cards, but perhaps because it was released in the U.S. and VS cards wasnt, that maybe thats where the surge of popularity is for VS, but then again why is the Vending set ignored?
is it over priced? most likely still.
I got no problem with Charizards being popular, they always have been and people will shell out money for them. But it seems like the things that are in demand and having people shelling out money for it, more than what its worth IMO is a real mystery at times IMO. I think the VS cards top that list though.
Since VS cards are popular though, what about Team Rocket? Mostly speaking on the Japanese? You think it would be like VS cards, but perhaps because it was released in the U.S. and VS cards wasnt, that maybe thats where the surge of popularity is for VS, but then again why is the Vending set ignored?
raichuforyou
New Member
I bet if you look on e-bay there will be more shining Charizard than any other shining pokemon from the same set.
The point being that popularity often decides prices. Cards like Pikachu and Charizard will always out sell other cards of the same rarity. Ridiculous, I know, but it is the truth
The point being that popularity often decides prices. Cards like Pikachu and Charizard will always out sell other cards of the same rarity. Ridiculous, I know, but it is the truth
PokemonTrader
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1. There are a lot of people who collect EEVEElutions, hence Umbreon is higher in value, because it is supply and demand and there are so many cards, and so many eevee lovers.
2. Tyranitar is rare, YES, however it is worth what it is worth because although rare as it is, there aren't many Tyranitar collectors, so this card only has value to collectors of the VS Set, and since the decks are also bought by people who collect sealed product, that is where that goes.
3. Steel Energy, Dark Energy and Rainbow Energy came 1 per pack, although holo, it basically was like an addition. There are TONS of these floating around, heck a youtuber I asked if they had any VS cards because they had the energy said "No" because they got it from somewhere else xD
4. Can't stand the fire, get out of the kitchen.
This collecting market, though I am new, I've learned a lot by talking to the mods, collectors and players around. Though you seem to not like to be a friendly, talkative collector, and more of a thinker...
Thinking one of the most known collecting sites was an conspiracy about collecting...?
ALTHOUGH YOU CAN BUY THE SET FOR WHATEVER AMOUNT, BUYING SINGLES IN MOST CIRCUMSTANCES IS BETTER THAN BUYING A SET, EVEN IF YOU DID GET A DEAL ON UMBREON, IT IS LIKELY UNLESS YOU SOMEHOW FIND DEALS ON EVERYTHING, THE BEST WAY TO GO IS TO NAB A VS SET OFF EBAY,
however I seem to think those only sell so fast, because people, know the set is in popular demand and are trying to get the cards for resale.
Myself, I am in fact, collecting this set, Im probably over half way there. I have most of the holos, missing suicune, tyranitars, entei, scizor, and a few more popular uncommons/commons, however I've been piecing it together, because unlike someone said above, if you have money for one $30 card, you can get a $250 set.
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The point being that popularity often decides prices. Cards like Pikachu and Charizard will always out sell other cards of the same rarity. Ridiculous, I know, but it is the truth
-true dat!~
VS Set
- Japanese
- MANY COLLECTORS ARE AFTER THIS!
(EEVEELUTIONS, GYM LEADERS, TYPE-SPECIFIC to name a few)
-OLDER
Team Rocket
- English
- Easily obtainable in the US
- Also I bulbapedia'd it, and both sets were released in english?
No the thing is, I started in this in 1999 and went with it until 2005 in or about, tried getting back into it again in 2007 and it just wasnt there until 2 months ago when I came back.
I simply dont like what I see in the collectors world and I was more a collector in those time periods than a player and it was more tamed back then. Most collectors I see now is simply nothing more than players collecting left over cards that are only tournament legal. What collector do exist or more so the demand for some cards just leaves me baffled.
anyone ever remember a time when JPN Birthday Pikachu was valued at $500 and on Ebay it was $100+ card to obtain, this was probably 2 years after its release, Grand Party JPN Promo often would sell for less, its a trainer card.
FFWD to now, JPN Birthday Pikachu (1st holo pikachu produced and is hard to find sometimes) is now like a $40 card while Grand Party is now $100 card.
Stuff like this does not make sense. If people were collecting certain Pokemon or for its art, I understand, but that dont appear to be the case either.
But the Vending series wasnt and that was very unique set with some good artwork, its got one of the best Articuno arts ive ever seen on any card as well, it was never released in the U.S.
Yet, no demand for it.
Read above about this I posted to
Reason its not the case is the fact how much certain cards stay up there on ebay untouched.
Umbreon pricing is high, but one poster earlier is right, its cards up there never moved for months.
Most known? since when?
I have already exposed one of them for shill bidding and the fact someone has rare cards you dont send in to PSA for grading has that smell of cabbage coming from the pot. The fact that some admins of that site is going to air their laundry here in which some are admins, tells me what kind of people that is, especially if you ever decide to look at the trash they post on the forums.
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PokemonTrader
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I honestly don't know where you are looking then for collectors? I can name off hand atleast 10 active pokegymers who collect RHs, japanese, cards that have been rotated out, as well as many other members I know on different sites...
One collects Marills, another, anything to do with Juniper (Munna, Minccino)
So not everyone doesn't collect rare japanese promos worth $3000 each, doesn't mean they aren't collectors.
Hrm, my thoughts here are either...
1. When you first saw the pikachu, it was new and highly wanted by everyone, but as time went on, people realized it was just "O.K" and not worth spending and arm and a leg for it, because there were other cards...
2. When people get something they need, and they are satisfied, they won't get a second or third. A card is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay, in this case, after the first few people got theirs, no more need...
3. Since there are many pikachu themed items, pikachu collectors, might have stopped collecting flats for different reasons....(-cough- 5 grails) or because there are too many cards to collect.
People have different opinions. Vending cards are nice, but they don't have the same feel, that the VS cards do to myself.
VS Cards feature gym leaders, and I may be an odd collector, but I like things like the gym leaders over the main character. The thought of owning a card, that Ash may have had to beat in order to get a badge is awesome. (Lt Surge's Raichu, Whitney's Miltank, etc)
Vending series, I have to admit has some good artwork, but nothing spectacular to myself, as well, sheets are hard to come by.
I think some of the cards are pure atrocious, all VS series cards are nice.
Yet, a $250 set, sells almost instantly you are saying?
My thoughts on this, someone wanted money fast, and tried to sell their cards fast...
Most cards in the VS set, are worth a fair bit...
Most collectors don't usually go on Y!J
But 10 aint too many of the hundreds here.
Who knows, the demand is still there, they just aint paying high price for them, rarity has seem to just disappeared out of the TCG collecting and playing. Pokemon Catcher is an uncommon card and it cost more than rares, RH, and about as much as a full art.
perhaps, like I said VS cards was never released in the U.S., but I also believe with an earlier poster in saying its kind of an over hyped set to. Its not a bad set though by any means.
PokemonTrader
Active Member
So you are telling me, that you knew of hundreds of collectors?
Catcher is worth that much because there are now more players than collectors in the pokemon trading community.
Its not a bad set, better than most.
Catcher is worth that much because there are now more players than collectors in the pokemon trading community.
Its not a bad set, better than most.
no, of the hundreds here and at pokebeach, few of them are collectors obviously, trade forums you see people wanting deck cards most of the time, the others only want star/crystal/shining Pokemon but nothing else outside of that.
Yeah they have stuff to trade, but its all stuff they dont need after opening tins, packs, decks, all of that.
Yeah they have stuff to trade, but its all stuff they dont need after opening tins, packs, decks, all of that.
MrCaliforniaHaze
New Member
Here's a little topic on the VS set
http://upccc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=price&action=display&thread=417
http://upccc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=price&action=display&thread=417
there use to be more collectors than players in the community but as of now the collectors have gone into the game and do less of collecting stuff.
but also do know the vending series cards are one of the sets people have not cared for alot thinking of them as regular japanese pokemon cards nothing else.i have a whole sheet in my binder and when people look though it they are like what the heck are these cards they look like drawn from kids and i have to take out a card and show them the glossy of the vending series cards.i see the VS cards as the original SP pokemon and the only reason certain cards are higher than others is because of the fanbase of it.charizard will stay high cause many people want a charizard card hence why the 1st edition ones still fetch money.the VS tyranitar is rare but not many people care for a tyranitar card people care more for umbreon and charizard than tyranitar.if people have the money to pay for a specific card then they will buying a whole set for a few cards in my view is not worth it and your wasting money and time.a card becomes higher in price only cause of the wants from the collectors or people
but also do know the vending series cards are one of the sets people have not cared for alot thinking of them as regular japanese pokemon cards nothing else.i have a whole sheet in my binder and when people look though it they are like what the heck are these cards they look like drawn from kids and i have to take out a card and show them the glossy of the vending series cards.i see the VS cards as the original SP pokemon and the only reason certain cards are higher than others is because of the fanbase of it.charizard will stay high cause many people want a charizard card hence why the 1st edition ones still fetch money.the VS tyranitar is rare but not many people care for a tyranitar card people care more for umbreon and charizard than tyranitar.if people have the money to pay for a specific card then they will buying a whole set for a few cards in my view is not worth it and your wasting money and time.a card becomes higher in price only cause of the wants from the collectors or people
I sometimes have the belief that collectors really got no idea what alot of things are in the TCG world.
proof of that is how some cards was kept nearly under wraps for years before it really was noticed.
Like the Wartortle Error from base, was never really talked about until many years later, people who owned it never realized they had it until it became a topic of discussion.
Mewtwo Vending promo I think from coro coro which had the error symbols on the leg, was barely mentioned back in the day, till this day people really dont know about it, you see them mixed in with corrected versions with no knowledge of them having an error, could easily be a $50 card for the error version but yet sells for $5 mixed in with the corrected version.
It just seems to be the collecting market is real nitpicky, I cant say its because of the popularity of collecting certain Pokemon like the eeveelutions or Charizard even though their is more collectors out there to collect those cards more often, it also seems like their is just as many of those cards setting and not moving none either. But of course if you use Ebay as a reference to this, you just cant tell, the idea you can sell burnt toast for 20,000 dollars on ebay and a 10,000 dollar Rolex watch sets collecting dust while being 5k under the original price kind of tells what ebay is all about to.
proof of that is how some cards was kept nearly under wraps for years before it really was noticed.
Like the Wartortle Error from base, was never really talked about until many years later, people who owned it never realized they had it until it became a topic of discussion.
Mewtwo Vending promo I think from coro coro which had the error symbols on the leg, was barely mentioned back in the day, till this day people really dont know about it, you see them mixed in with corrected versions with no knowledge of them having an error, could easily be a $50 card for the error version but yet sells for $5 mixed in with the corrected version.
It just seems to be the collecting market is real nitpicky, I cant say its because of the popularity of collecting certain Pokemon like the eeveelutions or Charizard even though their is more collectors out there to collect those cards more often, it also seems like their is just as many of those cards setting and not moving none either. But of course if you use Ebay as a reference to this, you just cant tell, the idea you can sell burnt toast for 20,000 dollars on ebay and a 10,000 dollar Rolex watch sets collecting dust while being 5k under the original price kind of tells what ebay is all about to.
I'm a collector more than a player, and one of the biggest things that slows my collecting is the price of cards. The errors are cool to collect, but often the cards that are rare are extremely expensive, and because I'm on a limited budget (college kid speaking) I don't really collect outside of the current sets. I use the "popular" cards to get cards for my collections that I need. Example, I have a catcher, and an RH catcher that I can probably trade for a few holos that i'm missing from the sets. So taking advantage of the trends can be extremely advantageous as well.
DJGigabyte
Forum Moderator
If you say collectors don't know what's going on in the TCG world, try speaking to smpratte, dogma, viper.fox, etc.
Their knowledge is beyond exceptional.
Their knowledge is beyond exceptional.
MrCaliforniaHaze
New Member
^^^^ Agree these guys are considered in the top 10 of all collectors.
Apparently they are the only ones who do more collecting than playing?
never knew that.
flygon_frank_66
New Member
I thank you for stating the number one rule for any seller. - :thumb: