June 4th: Hypnotoxic Laser banned from the Professor Cup!

[homeofmew]

Don't know what Professor Cup is and I don't care. Nobody runs Whirlipede here anyway. We run TDK and Darkrai/Hypnotoxic Laser decks. Who bans cards? Really? Pokémon NEVER bans cards. They just rotate them. Even if we had something like this in Canada, I wouldn't participate. I can't run TDK without Laser.

Professor Cup is a fun event that professors play in.
That every year has it's own set of rules.

Sneasel was banned at STS.
Wormadam was banned at a previous professor cup.

You can't Play Darkrai, or any of the TDK pokemon in the 2013 professor cup.

 

[yoshi1001]

To be honest, When I consider my hypothetical "no legendaries" format, this is one of the cards I consider banning. I can only imagine it'd be worse with no fully evolved Pokemon around.

 

[Regis_Neo]

Darn and I was getting ready to cheer...instead, I'll rant about it only being applied to the Professor Cup

I guess 70 for 1 energy is pretty good, not to mention the lingering poison and potentially sleep.

 

[soccerdave17]

I got so excited the boom, killed my hopes and dreams -.-

 

[Yoshi-]

Not
funny

almost had a heartattack -.-

 

[Rainbowgym]

Whirlipede / Poison could have been countered.
To sad creativity also disappeared in the prof cup.
To sad every time there is a card who needs to be "banned" it happens after the EU prof cup.

 

[baby mario]

It makes me sad that P!P is so quick to ban cards that are bad for the format from the professor cup, but not from OP...perhaps in the future P!P will consider bans or limits on cards that curtail the format to much.

Although there are cards in modified that we might not like or we might think ruin the format (not that everyone ever agrees on this), the fact is that modified is pretty much designed to be the way it is.

The Professor Cup format is made out of modified. It was never part of the orginal design and isn't thought through in the same way, so there is a much greater chance of a card sneaking in that completely unbalances it. The European Prof Cup pretty much showed that as long as HTL was legal, there was nothing else worth running than Whirlipede. We have never had a situation that extreme in the TCG. Not even in GG and Luxchomp days.

So it makes sense to ban HTL to preserve a fun, one-off format. Especially as there are none of the issues that you would get with a modified ban (unwanted precedent, people angry because cards they expected to be able to play were banned).

I guess if we ever had a 'play this or you will 100% lose' in modified, then TPCI would act . . . like they did with the early rotation when Sabledonk became ridiculous.

In general, I'm opposed to modified bans because there will never be a consensus on what needs banning. You always get a ton of people shouting for a card to be banned for any number of reasons: Absol SW for making lucky T1s too influential; Claydol GE for 'killing originality'; Cyrus's Conspiracy for making SP overpowered; Catcher because it hurts set up decks; Tropical Beach (or Catcher, or Claydol) because it's too expensive . . .

Who decides when you give in to any of these demands? Should any of them have been listened to? Not in my opinion.

 

[Yoshi-]

Don't know what Professor Cup is and I don't care. Nobody runs Whirlipede here anyway. We run TDK and Darkrai/Hypnotoxic Laser decks. Who bans cards? Really? Pokémon NEVER bans cards. They just rotate them. Even if we had something like this in Canada, I wouldn't participate. I can't run TDK without Laser.

Oh god, this post... I cant stop laughing :lol:

Did Whirlipede win the european profcup? Sounds like a strong deck for such a format :lol:

 

[BrianBAM19]

Good thing I read about this before coming here, so I didn't get surprised like the others, lol. From my understanding, Whirlipede was almost the only deck played at the European Professor Cup. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the entire top cut consisted of nothing but Whirlipede, and only a small handful of professors played something different at all. Stale format, much? It's a shame that this didn't happen before the EU tournament, as it seems like everyone knew Whirlipede was the best deck, and it wasn't close. Still, this is a good decision, otherwise the format would come down largely to who goes first and luck of the draw.

 

[Phadrex]

Laser banned? Oh don't worry.. Once Virizion/Gen comes out Lasers will might as well be banned.

 

[Electrode]

Don't know what Professor Cup is and I don't care. Nobody runs Whirlipede here anyway. We run TDK and Darkrai/Hypnotoxic Laser decks. Who bans cards? Really? Pokémon NEVER bans cards. They just rotate them. Even if we had something like this in Canada, I wouldn't participate. I can't run TDK without Laser.

Maybe you should know what the topic's about before contributing to the discussion

 

[vaporeon]

When literally an ENTIRE (semi-large event) topcut consists of one deck and ONLY that one deck in the actual metagame, then a ban on that card might be something to consider.

Well, technically big basics run the format and have been since BW started. With the way Pokemon is going, bans or limits on cards would not be a bad thing. However I do fully agree that Lazer should be banned. I wish they took the same steps for OP as well. Getting tired trying to play around a card you can't play around.

 

[cabd]

Well, technically big basics run the format and have been since BW started. With the way Pokemon is going, bans or limits on cards would not be a bad thing. However I do fully agree that Lazer should be banned. I wish they took the same steps for OP as well. Getting tired trying to play around a card you can't play around.

Tell that to gothitelle/Accelgor. Were getting off topic so I'll stop here, but you're generalizing way too much to prove a personal agenda's talking point.

 

[Plebeian]

Thanks for the title troll. 2004 wants its internet behavior back. What's next? A rick roll when we click on the COTD?

 

[bullados]

Well, considering that somebody Rickroll'd Vine earlier this week, I think 2004 is back with a vengeance.

 

[pokemonrocks777]

It is funny how people are complaining/not reading that this is for professor Cup...

My personal Opinion about this, It has it pros and cons

Pros
Players actual can play more than one turn
you have 2 more cards for free space

Cons
Laser was a Reliability for alot of people. (esp in the real game)


Things that don't change about it
If you do damage to a Veni, and they/you have virbank expect your active not live when it becomes your turn again

BTW: @Pop good one you had me there :tongue::thumb:

 

[k2moylan]

Boo hoo hoo...i really cant believe it, but that's my opinion. Look guys(gals), i'm gonna take a test
to become a professor, then take on 3 jobs so that i can go to next year's professor cup and then
my deck gets horrible reviews(banned)!! Go figue you guys(gals). Play the game and have fun...
O, that was banned along time ago...stupid me!

 

[StormFront]

I was helping with someone to test for the professor cup, and it quickly became obvious that HTL was an essential card. So much so that cards like Recycle, Shadow Triad and Trubbish NVI were often run to maximize its use. Another card that is also borderline broken is Rock Guard, which was by far the most common ACE-SPEC used. Even if HTL is banned I still think Whirlpede will be the strongest deck, but at least it will allow for more variety at US nationals.

 

[ShadowGuard]

So much so that cards like Recycle, Shadow Triad and Trubbish NVI were often run to maximize its use. Another card that is also borderline broken is Rock Guard, which was by far the most common ACE-SPEC used.

Actually Dowsing Machine was the most common ACE SPEC. I played Tool Scrapper in my deck and it was pretty useless. Maybe there will be more Rock Guards in the US w/o Laser.

And yes, most people played Shadow Triad with 1 single target card in your deck. A supporter that doesn't do anything else than bring back a laser. That shows how strong this card was.

Even if HTL is banned I still think Whirlpede will be the strongest deck, but at least it will allow for more variety at US nationals.

Whirlipede EPO will be too unrealiable without Laser. Whirlipede BCR should be playable and good, but I don't think it will be the strongest deck, since without HTL decks have space for enough Switches, Escape Ropes and Catchers. Also, kickgyms will pretty much deny poison damage done by the ability. Whirlepede EPO didn't even need Virbank in play to be overpowered.

 

[bulbasnore]

It makes me sad that P!P is so quick to ban cards that are bad for the format from the professor cup, but not from OP...perhaps in the future P!P will consider bans or limits on cards that curtail the format to much.

Jay, you'll never see a card banned or errated unless the folks that make the card game in Jaoan do it first. The reason this happened here is that it's a special fun format for the professor cup. It will never happen In the mainstream competition.