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Kyurem vs Cobalion. Should I Accept the Autloss?

Well that and Kyurem hasnt embedded itself fully into the meta yet with the Gatr combo.

although most of what I hear involving Kyurem/Gatr is they fail at reaching the top or the top 2 because they run into a Cobalion at some point. Cobalion is so common nowadays.
 
FireFormation said:
The only reason that deck is winning is because of the large number of people running it. When so many people run it a few are bound to get lucky.
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Show that the ratio of players using the deck/winning with the deck is lower than it is for other decks, or that's just a meaningless statement.

I could easily say the same thing about any winning deck I didn't like, and it would have the same validity.
 
What point are you trying to make now?

Look, if you think Gatr (and/or Kingdra) is the best way to play Kyurem, go ahead with it.

If you think C/K/E is only winning because a handful of lucky people are winning their way through a field full of mirror matches, then fine.

I will just wish you luck and look forward to your 1st place CC report with interest.
 
Well the idea Kingdra prime deck went far into the regionals in Missouri speaks volumes that its underplayed card, I dont know what else was played with it but assume it was Kyurem.

The Magnezone mess is quite simple, a weakness no one uses and a resistance that fights cobalion.
 
Regionals was HGSS-EP. NV has changed the format somewhat. There were a couple of decent decks that used/teched Kingdra but it seems to be getting less play now. It has been suggested in Vanilluxe.

Cobalion is actually fairly decent against Magnezone. It hates the attack lock because of the massive Retreat Cost means it needs to find a Switch. Plus it has to LZ 3 Energy to KO it. The Resistance isn't that big of a deal.

On the other hand, Zone's Weakness has always been a bit of an issue. Donphan is still around, and there are a few decks using Terrakion (including some C/K/E).
 
Crinus said:
Well the idea Kingdra prime deck went far into the regionals in Missouri speaks volumes that its underplayed card, I dont know what else was played with it but assume it was Kyurem.

The Magnezone mess is quite simple, a weakness no one uses and a resistance that fights cobalion.
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He was playing Kingdra/Beartic(Both)/Vileplume and I beat him in Top 8 2-0 w/ ZPST. I don't remember seeing any other Kingdra besides maybe a small tech line in the cut.
 
baby mario said:
Show that the ratio of players using the deck/winning with the deck is lower than it is for other decks, or that's just a meaningless statement.

I could easily say the same thing about any winning deck I didn't like, and it would have the same validity.
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You are correct in that it is valid for every tier one deck. The tiers have become less about how good the deck is and more about how many people are playing it. You could take any tier two deck and if it was played in similar numbers to that of any tier one deck you would see it do similarly in terms of number of top cut appearances.
 
Yeah, the format is very diverse right now, and I don't believe there is anything close to a BDIF - just a whole load of decks that are capable of winning if they are played well and/or have luck on their side when it comes to match ups and opening hands.
 
FireFormation said:
You are correct in that it is valid for every tier one deck. The tiers have become less about how good the deck is and more about how many people are playing it. You could take any tier two deck and if it was played in similar numbers to that of any tier one deck you would see it do similarly in terms of number of top cut appearances.
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In this case, correlation may (don't get frisky on me here, guys) equals causation.

The number of a deck being played may be related to its tier. Considering a tier is subjective, the biggest quantification we have is the number of people running it in relation to its win ratio. People play a deck a lot because of one of two things:

- It is hyped a lot
- It is a good deck

Lostgar is probably the biggest counterargument to your claim. Even it did take quite a few wins, its ratio of plays versus actual first place wins was lower than the others. So in short, no, you can't any tier two deck, play it in similar numbers and then win with an equal ratio, because it would be outplayed by decks that are tier one.

The reason why a deck like Typhlosion / Reshiram is so widely played is not only because it has a strong matchup across the board, is highly resistant to locks, and can survive the current competitive litmus test (has an attacker that can return, survive, or mitigate the 120 Blue Flare / Bolt Strike requirement), but because it is cheap. Compared to previous format top tier decks, Reshiram variants can be acquired almost all through Trainer Kits and tin packs. It's main engine can be acquired through a Black Star Promo, and so can its main attacker. It's only booster-reliant (or single-reliant) card is Ninetales, and many competitive decks don't bother running it, so its a personal play choice.

So you've got sort of a mix-up in the logic there.
 
Well I will vouch for the idea if 1 deck is played alot more than another thats its going to show up more in the 1st place or 2nd place category than anything else.

Its like another TCG I know, you got 1 deck seen most of the time at a tournament, 90% of the players is using the same deck that is in the top 8. Reason is #1 - Its probably one of the top decks around, and #2 their is more odds of it finishing top 8 than any other position.

Its like when they started holding what seems like an infinite number of major tournaments in California for a regional or Shonen Jump tournament (you see what game I targeting now), then when Nationals comes up, its no fracking wonder most of the top players in that tournament was all from California.

So much is shifted in 1 direction with the odds, theirs really no choice for it to not happen.

Pokemon aint as bad with it as its more diverse, but yeah more people playing with those decks than any other which is why it wins more, magnezone prime for example cost a good bit compared to anything else ran in the meta, as well as Parachirisu, you see why. Donphan prime is same as well. It seems these decks are close to being the Best decks in the meta, however the most expensive to, doesnt mean they going to always win a tournament, thats the upside to the game, although it does win more than anything else.
 
Imhotep said:
People don't seem to realize that this 'CKE' thing is not a Kyurem deck. The CKE name is incredibly misleading and doesn't match typical deck naming conventions. Kyurem is a near insignificant part of it - the deck is really just Cobalion/Electrode that happened to be played with Kyurem in Japan. You don't HAVE to copy other people's ideas in full and sometimes you're best off not doing so. The sad thing is I know a lot of people are playing this deck, and those cards together, really without even knowing why they are doing so. They just heard that it was a good deck and went along with it. Kyurem is just a tech and one I'd say doesn't really work that well at doing what it's there for.

Now, Kyurem/Electrode makes sense too. But they're two different decks and two completely different approaches/strategies.
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Not sure what you're trying to say, considering Kyurem in Cobalion/Electrode works very well, they're not two completely different decks, nor do they have different strategies.
 
Rambo said:
Not sure what you're trying to say, considering Kyurem in Cobalion/Electrode works very well, they're not two completely different decks, nor do they have different strategies.
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Kyurem spreads and Cobalion locks. They do have different strategies.
 
Imhotep said:
It probably takes a stronger mind to properly appreciate this.
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So you're calling me dumb over something that I disagree with? When I see more decks that run only CE or KE rather than CKE, then I'll use my weak mind to properly "appreciate this".
 
Imhotep said:
I'm not calling you any dumber than people in general. Not that that's saying much.

See the funny thing is a lot of people actually do run it that way, with the focus on both as you describe. Because they've simply heard of the deck and assumed this is what you're supposed to do. It's absolutely hilariously how weak and lacking in thought this shows the general player base to be.
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I haven't "heard" of the deck, I play the deck, and I do recognise that the deck doesn't always use both of the attackers. But assuming that the deck doesn't work just because you don't always need to use all the attackers in it is stupid. You didn't always need to use all the attackers in Ross' deck, a deck that seemingly had no synergy, but covered it's own weaknesses, but that deck still did very impressively. The deck works well with both attackers, as you shouldn't only be putting energies on Cobalion, leaving them on Kyurem, and being able to do 30 to all your opponent's pokemon, allows you to be taking prizes quicker, more consistently and not being annoyed where you do 80, then they just switch or retreat out of the attack. Take tornadus, a common card, it has 110HP with a mere 1 retreat. You do 80 to it, they retreat, and unless you want to waste a resource in catcher, you can just do 30 damage to it, and everything else, whilst keeping this resource. You're looking at the deck from the basis that you should look at cards as if they have no typing. If cobalion was weak to dark, and kyurem was a water type, then your argument would be valid. But they don't do that, they cover each other's weakness well, and have good synergy, maybe you should recheck how you're playing the deck.

You're right, it's "hilariously" how weak and lacking in thought this shows the "general" player base to be.
 
Rambo said:
So you're calling me dumb over something that I disagree with? When I see more decks that run only CE or KE rather than CKE, then I'll use my weak mind to properly "appreciate this".
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To me, it seems like people are running it just because japan is running it. You guys do realize they play in a different format using EX Pokemon right? We don't have EX Pokemon yet for maybe another month or two and on top of that, we don't know what we are getting in the set.

Many people at our league stopped running the deck because they got tired of losing with it. The two don't need each other. The both do 2 different thing. The deck really only works in the mirror and any reshiphlosion deck is not scared of kyurem. There are better water types to counter fire.
 
I don't really see a point arguing about this deck.
People have really different lists, skill level and strategies so what one player says is bad may be good in another player's hands.
 
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