Legendary Treasures

[Frost]

Normal Genesect and Porygon-Z from PB were actually not in the Japanese set Megalo Cannon and were promos.

I think you mean Froslass instead of Porygon-Z? He was in the set and the promo for buying a box. She was a promo and not in the main set which was incredibly DUMB and I'm glad the English set didn't make the same mistake. >_> And I don't think the Red Genesect deck cards will be promos; they'll probably either be cards from sets or have their own specific numbering system. There's only a few holes between the new EX tin promos and the Worlds promo, and definitely not enough of them to fit an entire deck.

Also, pre-releases are pretty much always the two weekends before the set is released. So Oct 26-27 and Nov 2-3 for Legendary Treasures.

 

[signofzeta]

Well it seems like the Kalos Starter sets won't be majorly LT based, because one of the decks will have fairy cards, well according to the Beach anyway.

What I hope for that it isn't a 1 for 1 translation of the XY beginning sets x2. The decks would suck more than theme decks, and won't be worth $14.99

 

[bullados]

Several things just got confirmed...

1) XY Base Set will release on 2/5/14, just as I predicted.

2) Kalos Starter Decks will release on 11/8/13. This is officially 2 days after Legendary Treasures releases in English.

3) Kalos Starter Decks will contain Fairy Energy.

4) There will be a "Deluxe" version of the Kalos Starter Decks that each contain a single BW-series booster pack.

 

[signofzeta]

Well the deluxe version certainly isn't worth $14.99. Remember the HS Undaunted, HS Triumphant, and Call of Legends theme decks costing $12.99 MSRP? I'm glad they have the more normal version, and would probably cost $11.99. What I do not want them to do is make one of them exclusive to one region and the other exclusive to another region, just like what they did with those 3 pack blisters being exclusive to everywhere but North America.

I am going to call it now.

Grass Fairy
Fire Darkness
Water Metal

For the normal version of the decks, I hope they show the stage 2 on the front rather than the basic, and I hope the Stage 2 is holo, as it should be, rather than the basic.

I wonder what the french version of BW Legendary Treasures will be? Mind Wipe and Solar Strike from Plasma Blast?

 

[mahius]

Several things just got confirmed...

1) XY Base Set will release on 2/5/14, just as I predicted.

2) Kalos Starter Decks will release on 11/8/13. This is officially 2 days after Legendary Treasures releases in English.

3) Kalos Starter Decks will contain Fairy Energy.

4) There will be a "Deluxe" version of the Kalos Starter Decks that each contain a single BW-series booster pack.

Knew about 1) just not that precisely. Didn't expect 2), maybe they don't tie into LT as much as we thought. Knew of 4), one of the 2 card retailers I order from has had the 2 different versions available, not happy with the difference in price over a theme deck.
3) ...WGHAT?!? A massive surprise, I thought that these decks were to be single type corresponding to the types of the starters. Fairy energy already? Heck not even the Japanese XY sets are out yet. Maybe this suggests that there will be more promotional products before the February set then, if they are releasing these energies earlier than we thought.

Well the deluxe version certainly isn't worth $14.99. Remember the HS Undaunted, HS Triumphant, and Call of Legends theme decks costing $12.99 MSRP? I'm glad they have the more normal version, and would probably cost $11.99. What I do not want them to do is make one of them exclusive to one region and the other exclusive to another region, just like what they did with those 3 pack blisters being exclusive to everywhere but North America.

I am going to call it now.

Grass Fairy
Fire Darkness
Water Metal

For the normal version of the decks, I hope they show the stage 2 on the front rather than the basic, and I hope the Stage 2 is holo, as it should be, rather than the basic.

I was hesitant seeing the prices for the deluxe version beforehand but now that I look at it more closely the increase in price is smaller than the price of a booster pack. If the included booster is LT then I might be more persuaded to buy the 'Deluxe' version since money would be saved on the booster. I'm not sure about region exclusivity but I was always in the know that there would at least be a version with an extra booster pack and then a week or 2 ago and then an online retailer added the non-Deluxe version to their listings.

While normally I'd be glad that EU gets things that NA doesn't (its the other way around for most things), I'm rather annoyed that NA doesn't get the promo triple pack blisters especially since there's no good reason for it (I'd be angrier if it turns out that they are produced in the US).

I'd also prefer the stage 2 cards to be the holos, there's something a bit 'meh' about basic starter holos. The info on Fairy cards being in the Kalos Starter Decks didn't specify whether Fairy will featured in all 3 decks or just one. If it's just in one of them though I have some speculation about the second types. After seeing Chespin's stage 1 evolution I'd assume that the Chespin deck would have Metal energy as the Chespin line suggests that the stage 2 evolution might be Grass/Steel Dual type as Quilladin (stage 1 evo) is described as the Spiny Armour Pokemon. Rather unique typing if you ask me and that would be good if they did that. The Fennekin line suggests either Psychic, Fairy or Dark as the stage 2 evolution's secondary type. If fairy is in one of these 3 decks I'd hazard a guess at this one simply because Braixen looks a bit fairy like IMO. Leaving Froakie, if what signofzeta guessed is ok, which should be the one with Darkness energy in it's deck. It's stage 2 being water/dark wouldn't be as original but I can't be sure either. Maybe the Froakie line would be the one without dual typing like Treecko was in gen 3.

My version of signofzeta's guesses at deck types:

Grass Metal or Grass Fairy
Fire Fairy or Fire Fairy
Water Darkness or Water Fairy

If each of the decks has different second energy type then I probably will buy all 3, especially if Darkness, Fairy and Metal are the second types. And if the included booster in the deluxe is LT then I'll buy deluxe. Legendary Treasures can wait till Christmas for me since my wallet is only so deep ...unless all 3 decks have Fairy secondary type that is, one deck shouldn't break the bank.

Edit:
It looks like there will be different packaging for the deluxe version. The non-deluxe version looks like a normal theme deck. Also pokemon.com states that Fairy type energy is introduced in these product. Key word being 'introduced' maybe it means only one deck will have fairy type pokemon. Also mentioned in the non-deluxe version there will be code card, an XY code card specifically. It probably unlocks the deck. Pokemon.com also states that the included booster pack (in the deluxe edition) is 'XY booster pack.' It seems like these products have little to do with LT then and it also seems we will be getting a lot of early XY cards. Pricing puts the normal decks on par with theme decks with the deluxe versions are only worth a booster (or less) more than the normal decks. I'm thinking we move this discussion to a dedicated thread.

 

[Maverick Nate]

We've got three new cards for Legendary Treasures. A new Spiritomb, Excadrill-EX, and a Next Destinies Pikachu reprint.

 

[Frost]

Well... nothing too surprising there in terms of the numbering.

It's going to be funny if they don't continue EX Pokemon into XY, though. "Oh yeah, here's two random evolved EX Pokemon that are Basics. See? We did other things besides Legendaries! LOOK, a distraction! *points at the Kalos Starter Decks and flees*"

 

[Furn]

Oh wow, they're keeping the Shiny Collection holographics. I was sure they would just use the current reverse style or the pre-EP one.

 

[mahius]

Well... nothing too surprising there in terms of the numbering.

It's going to be funny if they don't continue EX Pokemon into XY, though. "Oh yeah, here's two random evolved EX Pokemon that are Basics. See? We did other things besides Legendaries! LOOK, a distraction! *points at the Kalos Starter Decks and flees*"

My bets are all on the Mega-Evolutions being the new ultra-rare cards instead. WTB Mega-Charizard $60 calling it now.
Excadrill EX looks awesome. Might be some use with Bench-Barrier Mime. Too bad there'll be no Full Art version of it.
...Or there could be one?!?!?

 

[Maverick Nate]

Well... nothing too surprising there in terms of the numbering.

It's going to be funny if they don't continue EX Pokemon into XY, though. "Oh yeah, here's two random evolved EX Pokemon that are Basics. See? We did other things besides Legendaries! LOOK, a distraction! *points at the Kalos Starter Decks and flees*"

My thinking behind those is that they wanted to represent other "types". For instance, Excadrill-EX here is representing Ground. What Ground legendaries can you think of? Groudon. Already done. No real reason why Groudon should get a second, like the two Kyurem or Tornadus. Ground Arceus? Caaaan't really do that one. Their Legendary types are limited. They probably just wanted a Water weak Lightning resistant EX. Making something like Drillbur-EX wouldn't have been good, because think of the children thinking "why can this Drillbur card evolve, but this one NOT?" It seems they just ran out of appropriate legendaries.

 

[TheRolesWePlay]

Again those subsets were only a handful of cards and all of the same rarity. The problem with Radiant Collection is that its many times bigger than any previous subset and also that there are cards of different rarities. Simple hiding them among packs won't bode well.

They could always do what they did for Unown in Unseen Forces, where they ate up the rev spot every few packs or so, the subset size is consistent enough for that.

Personally I hope it's something a little more consistent than that since there's some genuinely cool cards in the set, and it'd be a shame to see them so difficult to get.

My thinking behind those is that they wanted to represent other "types". For instance, Excadrill-EX here is representing Ground. What Ground legendaries can you think of? Groudon. Already done. No real reason why Groudon should get a second, like the two Kyurem or Tornadus. Ground Arceus? Caaaan't really do that one. Their Legendary types are limited. They probably just wanted a Water weak Lightning resistant EX. Making something like Drillbur-EX wouldn't have been good, because think of the children thinking "why can this Drillbur card evolve, but this one NOT?" It seems they just ran out of appropriate legendaries.

That wouldn't make much sense though, Terrakion EX could've been reprinted, and Regirock hasn't seen a printing either, so there were certainly other options. Not to mention in the Japanese set there weren't any Grass type legendaries, not to mention Chandelure who got printed even though there are plenty of Psychic type options that could've been reprinted.

 

[Maverick Nate]

That wouldn't make much sense though, Terrakion EX could've been reprinted, and Regirock hasn't seen a printing either, so there were certainly other options. Not to mention in the Japanese set there weren't any Grass type legendaries, not to mention Chandelure who got printed even though there are plenty of Psychic type options that could've been reprinted.

A Terrakion-EX card would be either Rock (TCG Fighting type-weak to Grass) or Fighting (TCG Fighting type-weak to Psychic). Regirock would be Rock (TCG Fighting type-weak to Grass). Groudon is the only Ground (TCG Fighting type-weak to Water). Thus, by printing Excadrill, they are getting another Ground (TCG Fighting type-weak to Water) when there wasn't another Legendary appropriate for the job. Terrakion and Regirock couldn't have been printed, because they weren't appropriate for the typing they wanted. also, by having something other than Groudon, the problem with "limit to four of a single Pokémon name" is eliminated.

 

[Otaku]

Thus, by printing Excadrill, they are getting another Ground (TCG Fighting type-weak to Water) when there wasn't another Legendary appropriate for the job. Terrakion and Regirock couldn't have been printed, because they weren't appropriate for the typing they wanted. also, by having something other than Groudon, the problem with "limit to four of a single Pokémon name" is eliminated.

You know you haven't actually proven anything, right? You put for an interesting theory, but it ignores the existence of Chandelure EX, and even without yet another unneeded Psychic-Type Pokémon-EX you haven't proven the need for another Water Weak, Lightning Resistant Fighting-Type Pokémon.

 

[TheRolesWePlay]

A Terrakion-EX card would be either Rock (TCG Fighting type-weak to Grass) or Fighting (TCG Fighting type-weak to Psychic). Regirock would be Rock (TCG Fighting type-weak to Grass). Groudon is the only Ground (TCG Fighting type-weak to Water). Thus, by printing Excadrill, they are getting another Ground (TCG Fighting type-weak to Water) when there wasn't another Legendary appropriate for the job. Terrakion and Regirock couldn't have been printed, because they weren't appropriate for the typing they wanted. also, by having something other than Groudon, the problem with "limit to four of a single Pokémon name" is eliminated.

Except you (and also I in my rush) forgot about Landorus (whose stats are identical, attacks aside), who is weak to water, plus Rock and Ground types go back and forth on their weaknesses. Either way I don't think they ultimately cared about type distribution considering there were no Metal or Grass type EXs in the Japanese EX Battle Boost.

 

[EricDent]

Well obviously we know that the Red Genesect deck isn't that special (besides the trainers).

Where exactly are you getting info for the booster contents for the new decks coming out with Legendary Treasures?
I thought they had said that it comes with a B&W Series booster.

 

[mahius]

Well obviously we know that the Red Genesect deck isn't that special (besides the trainers).

Where exactly are you getting info for the booster contents for the new decks coming out with Legendary Treasures?
I thought they had said that it comes with a B&W Series booster.

Those decks are coming out around the same time and there are no LT deck therefore we all assume included boosters will be LT boosters.

 

[dark andy]

In this collection I and many players see a new combo deck, Excadrill and gallade. Will be a fun deck, because excadrill is slow to attack, 4 energies. Plasma badge with colress machine or DCE in excadrill will be useful. Gallade is a nice card, nice type, because take weakness against darkrai.

 

[EricDent]

Some people said these decks would come with a X & Y booster.
So the LT booster makes more sense.

 

[Envoyofduels]

Some people said these decks would come with a X & Y booster.
So the LT booster makes more sense.

In the product description it says it comes with one black and white series booster pack.

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[khit]

In this collection I and many players see a new combo deck, Excadrill and gallade. Will be a fun deck, because excadrill is slow to attack, 4 energies. Plasma badge with colress machine or DCE in excadrill will be useful. Gallade is a nice card, nice type, because take weakness against darkrai.

Kinda like the old danphan prime deck??? O: This is gonna be awesome. It might not be good but it's a fun idea XD Also I need to find a way to build speed excadrill XD attach energies turn one (Not if you go first! :O ) haha naw that won't work even with musharna or lunatone XD
BTW the old landorus that's being reprinted might work better than excadrill for this deck. his first attack almost guarantees acceleration (if you can ultra ball or computer search away a fighting energy T1) but his second attack does 80 for (F)(F)(C) and does 10 damage to ALL benched pokemon, so you can soften up your opponent while helping power yourself up!