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Chompy

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Seriously, I hate when tournaments last like 3 months to complete a tourny. First of all most players who would join would lose interest real fast if things dont speed up quickly. If you stall a tournament or post pone it for like a week or 2, so many players lose interest fast. We really do not want that to happen and most important, we need them to go by fast. Not take 2 whole months to complete a wifi tourny. I dont care if Player A goes "I cant play Im on vacation" and Player B is activly ready to play Player A, these matches need to happen quick. Whoever is more active should get the bye and each round should last 3-5 days.

Take a look at TheDoctors Brawl tournament for example,

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=90628

Round 1 should not last 3 weeks for the whole tournament to get finished. If neither player is really active and didnt play their match you should eliminate both players.

Which is why I think we need to have members who are most suited to host a Wi-Fi tournament for any game. Only the members who are listed here will only be allowed to host any tournament game.

Here is the official Rule list

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=187735

SMASHBOARDS

SBR Recommended Ruleset
Super Smash Brothers: Brawl (singles and doubles)

The following list was created by members of the Smash Back Room (SBR). Each rule was debated and voted upon in separate topics. While it is always up to the Tournament Organizers (TO) to determine the rules that best fit their tournaments, we recommend these rules be used as a base guideline to new and experienced TO's alike.

General rules

  • 3 Stock
  • 8 minute timer
  • Items are set to "off" and "none"
  • All sets with the possible exception of winner's finals, loser's finals, and the championship are best of 3 matches (best of 5 and above is recommended for any "finals" matches)
  • In the event of a dispute, controller ports will be selected by Rock-Paper-Scissors
  • No player may choose a stage they have already won on in that set unless agreed upon by both players.
  • If the timer runs out, the victor is determined first by stock and then by lower percentage.
  • Metaknight's Infinite Cape glitch is banned.
  • If a game ends with Bowser doing his suicide klaw and it ends in sudden death, the sudden death will be ignored and that game will count as a win for Bowser. Or any player that initiates the suicide move. eg: Kirby,Wario,Bowser,Ganondorf,King DeDeDe
  • You are responsible for your own controller and name tag. Any malfunctions or errors that occur are your responsibility, so bring an extra controller if possible and always check to make sure you're using the correct settings BEFORE a match is played. If a match is to be restarted due to controller functions, it must be agreed upon by both parties.
  • Any action that can prevent the game from continuing (i.e., freezing, disappearing characters, game reset, etc.) will result in a forfeit of that match for the player that initiated the action.
  • You are responsible for knowing your own character, and must be wary about accidentally triggering one of these effects.
  • Stalling is banned.
  • Stalling: The act of deliberately avoiding any and all conflict so that one may make the game unplayable. Running away from an opponent to reach a better position is not stalling, while doing an infinite grab endlessly against a wall is. Any infinite chain grabs most end quickly after 300% has been reached so as to prevent excessive stalling.

Set format (In Order of Procedure):
1. Opponents choose their characters for the first match *
2. Opponents start the stage striking procedure
3. Each player may announce one stage to be banned for counterpicks of the set
4. The first game is played, using the stage chosen during step 2
5. The loser of the previous match announces the next match's stage from either the Starter Stage List or the Counter Stage List
6. The winner of the previous match chooses their character
7. The loser of the previous match chooses their character
8. Repeat steps 5-7 for all proceeding matches
*Double blind character selection may be called for the first match


Stage Lists

TOs must move stages from the starter/counterpick into either the starter or counterpick categories and must move stages from counterpick/banned into either the counterpick or banned categories.

Stages in the Starter/Counter and Counter/Banned list did not receive 2/3 majority, and therefore you are given the option to put those stages in either category, as we did not come to a consensus on it.

The SBR Recommended rule list uses the stage striking system. In this system, players take turns striking stages from the starter list until only one remains; these stages are not banned and can be counterpicked later in the set. There must be an odd number of starter stages.

Starter
Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi's Island
Lylat Cruise

Counter


Brinstar
Castle Siege
Corneria
Delfino
Frigate Orpheon
Green Greens
Halberd
Jungle Japes
Luigi's Mansion
Norfair
Pictochat
Pirate Ship
Pokémon Stadium 1
Pokémon Stadium 2
Rainbow Cruise


Banned
75m
Big Blue
Bridge of Eldin
Distant Planet
Flat Zone 2
Green Hill Zone
Hanenbow
Hyrule Temple
Mario Bros.
Mario Circuit
Mushroomy Kingdom I
Mushroomy Kingdom II
New Pork City
Onett
Port Town Aero Dive
Rumble Falls
Skyworld
Shadow Moses
Spear Pillar
The Summit
Wario Ware
Yoshi's Island (Pipes)

Additional Rules for Double's Play

  1. Life Stealing is allowed
  2. Set team attack to ON
  3. Hanenbow may be moved from Ban to Counterpick for Doubles

Optional Rules

  • Some rules were discussed in the SBR but were not deemed to be important enough to consider staples to a rule set, or were considered to be too intrusive to be common. We recommended you include any of the following optional rules you deem to be necessary and modify them as needed.
  • Port slob picks: On a player's counterpick, that player may opt to redo the port selection process with that player or team picking their port first.
  • Resolving Ties: Any games ending in time running out should always be decided by stock, and then percents. If percents are the same or both players die simultaneously, there will be a 1 stock overttime or the sudden death will be played out. The TO needs to decide which of these will be used before the tournament. Bowser's suicide klaw is exempt from this rule.

  • The Mages DQ rule: After a match has been called, if a player is two minutes late he will receive a warning. At 4 minutes late, he will be given a loss for the first game of the set. After six minutes, he will be given a loss of the entire set.
  • It is recommended to have a station set up specifically for Gamecube controllers; this prevents intereference from wiimotes in future matches, whether intentional or accidental. This is a great way to make sure the finals go smoothly. Alternatively, you could make a station for wiimotes only, but it is recommended to have a GC only station.

Notes

  • This list is not meant to be copied and pasted, but instead copied and adjusted to fit each tournaments situation (time limits, regional philosophies, etc.).
  • Players are responsible for knowing the rules. No more than the previous match should be replayed in the event of a rule violation and it is recommended that any disputes be brought promptly and quickly to the TO's attention.
  • For larger tournaments pool play should precede double elimination bracket play.
  • The Loser-Finals, Winner-Finals,or Grand-Finals and championship sets should be in at least best of 5 format.


Heres the current and official Tier list

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=214428

Current SBR Tier List (January 5th, 2009):

SS Tier
Meta Knight 15.00

S Tier
Snake 13.91

A Tier
Falco 13.03
King Dedede 12.94
Mr. Game & Watch 12.50
Marth 12.09
Diddy Kong 11.94

B Tier
Wario 11.47
R.O.B. 11.38
Lucario 10.94
Olimar 10.94

C Tier
Pikachu 10.34
Kirby 10.16
Donkey Kong 10.06
Ice Climbers 9.59

D Tier
Zero Suit Samus 8.88
Toon Link 8.47
Pit 8.44
Peach 8.16
Wolf 7.91

E Tier
Luigi 7.41
Zelda 7.03
Bowser 6.91
Fox 6.66
Sheik 6.44
Ike 5.91

F Tier
Mario 4.56
Lucas 4.50
Ness 4.50
Samus 4.41
Sonic 4.16
Pokémon Trainer 3.94
Yoshi 3.66

G Tier
Link 2.28
Jigglypuff 2.03
Ganondorf 1.88
Captain Falcon 1.63



~Chompy~
 
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Um, yeah. I know my tournament is included in this, but I will get pairing out on the 3rd. I realize that I left it to long, but I have been busy. But once I do start, it's a week per round. But the thing about tournaments like mine and TheDoctors is, (Well, at least mine) it's my/our first tournaments. I haven't played in one or hosted one, but I really don't have an excuse.
 
I agree with you 100%. The mods and admins should have some members who are suited to host tournaments. I think me and Chompy would be good for it because we would do 3 to 5 days per match. I just hate it when people wait to the last minute to play and then ask for a time extension. These things should happen fast because people like me don't have time to wait for the next round to wait. I understand when something comes up but not half of the people who signed up for it, I mean, come on. What else are you really doing?

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I agree with you 100%. The mods and admins should have some members who are suited to host tournaments. I think me and Chompy would be good for it because we would do 3 to 5 days per match. I just hate it when people wait to the last minute to play and then ask for a time extension. These things should happen fast because people like me don't have time to wait for the next round to wait. I understand when something comes up but not half of the people who signed up for it, I mean, come on. What else are you really doing?

I can list some people who I would recommend for this.

ultimatedra (Pokemon)
Me (Pokemon, SSBB)
Chompy (Pokemon, SSBB)

Reason why, because we know how to run tournaments.
 
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I can list some people who I would recommend for this.

ultimatedra (Pokemon)
Me (Pokemon, SSBB)
Chompy (Pokemon, SSBB)

Reason why, because we know how to run tournaments.
I 2nd those people for the list.
They know a lot about the game and would keep a strict time limit on the matches.
 
Chompy and Vaporeon would make great tournament hosts. I accomodate Chompy since he is the best brawl player on the gym site no doubt and would run the tournament smoothly. Vaporeon knows alot of ins and outs of the Pokemon D/P game so he would also make a great host for tournies.

Chompy (SSBB)
Vaporeon (Pokemon)
 
I agree with parts of this, but not all of it. I mean, this board will go months at a time without any tourneys, and then see several start up, which creates a nice mess of things, and stuff becomes rather unorganized. But at the same time, I don't think telling people that they can't host tourneys because they're "don't know how" is kinda BS as well, anyone can host a tourney, it's knowing HOW to host one that counts.

So rather than limiting who can hold a tourney, I think more so that we should develop a set of rules for hosting a tourney that organizers should abide by, otherwise the tourney thread gets locked. For example, say 1 week maximum to get matches done, otherwise DQ people and move on to the next round or the thread gets locked as being inactive.

Also, what's "liscened"? I think you mean "licensed" Chompy :p
 
Hmm so 5-10 matches per day makes you legal. So would my 20+ count? I agree with Chompy though. What will make a tourney go faster is make a chatroom and host the tournament there. The tournament will end in about 1-2 hours depending on the number of people who are in the chat at that time.
 
That's an interesting idea! If the mods don't take notice here, post something about it in the Compendium Hideout. That'd make a great suggestion there!


I'll go ahead and jump on the bandwagon!

Off topic: We could do the same thing with RedShark tournaments. PokeGym could even host an official one with prizes possibly!
 
That's an interesting idea! If the mods don't take notice here, post something about it in the Compendium Hideout. That'd make a great suggestion there!
Off topic: We could do the same thing with RedShark tournaments. PokeGym could even host an official one with prizes possibly!

I also think this is an interesting idea, but we cannot EXCLUDE people from doing tournys.
Maybe have a "Standard" for tournys? sortof like what we have for article/deck submissions.

Also, you can always post this idea in the Compendium Hideout also. that is the best way to talk to the MODs and ADMINs 1-on1

i will bring this up with the other MODs and discuss this.


This is a very nice idea.
MODs what do you think?

Personaly, i like where this COULD go, but excluding people is not what we want.

~ultimatedra~
 
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I also think this is an interesting idea, but we cannot EXCLUDE people from doing tournys.
Maybe have a "Standard" for tournys? sortof like what we have for article/deck submissions.

Also, you can always post this idea in the Compendium Hideout also. that is the best way to talk to the MODs and ADMINs 1-on1

i will bring this up with the other MODs and discuss this.



Personaly, i like where this COULD go, but excluding people is not what we want.

~ultimatedra~

Well, that's a good step in the right direction. We could use some Official rules. Also, do you think we can go for a rating system or something for these tournaments, Just so he can see how good the site members are in each game.
 
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I also think this is an interesting idea, but we cannot EXCLUDE people from doing tournys.
Maybe have a "Standard" for tournys? sortof like what we have for article/deck submissions.

Also, you can always post this idea in the Compendium Hideout also. that is the best way to talk to the MODs and ADMINs 1-on1

i will bring this up with the other MODs and discuss this.


Personaly, i like where this COULD go, but excluding people is not what we want.

~ultimatedra~
No, no, no. I'm not saying exclude people. It's kinda like the What's New Editors. Certain people designated to do certain things. I can post an article on news if I want, but it's Lucario_EX's job.

My idea was to have people hold annual tournies with set dates and times.

No one was trying to stop people from hosting tournies, but just give people who can host good ones jobs to do so. Plus, if we had official tournies with good rules, who's going to join some n00b's tourny when we already have perfectly fine ones up and running regularly?
 
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Alrighty guys I just posted the official rules straight off from the offical SmashBoards website. Its on the first page so check it out. If anyone wants me to post the tier list on the front page let me know and I will do it immediatly. Just note that the those rules havent been updated since August of 08 so ill see if I can find the most updated tournament version. I edited some of the rules since alot of things changed over the past 5 months.
 
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No, no, no. I'm not saying exclude people. It's kinda like the What's New Editors. Certain people designated to do certain things. I can post an article on news if I want, but it's Lucario_EX's job.

My idea was to have people hold annual tournies with set dates and times.

No one was trying to stop people from hosting tournies, but just give people who can host good ones jobs to do so. Plus, if we had official tournies with good rules, who's going to join some n00b's tourny when we already have perfectly fine ones up and running regularly?
That is excluding people.
He is not saying stoping people from having them, but leaving others out form hosting them.
So yes that is excluding.


It might be a better idea to then keep going how it is.
SOmthing you have to hurt some feelings to keep things in order.
Best idea is to have a large set of people who can hold them and if som wants to have a tournie they need to have someone in control over it with them form that list.
 
Adding that the "official" tier is kinda funky. Seriously, Meta Knight and Snake in their own tiers? Ok...cuckoo imo.

*goes to main Captain Falcon for lol factor*
 
That is excluding people.
He is not saying stoping people from having them, but leaving others out form hosting them.
So yes that is excluding.


It might be a better idea to then keep going how it is.
SOmthing you have to hurt some feelings to keep things in order.
Best idea is to have a large set of people who can hold them and if som wants to have a tournie they need to have someone in control over it with them form that list.
I don't see how that's excluding people. Anyone would still be free to host, run, organize, etc.... tourney they want.

All I'm saying is have an official person run regular tourneys with the same rules/time&date standards every time, such as a Staff Position. Then when those go off with a bang, no one would bother to make their own tourneys, they'd all be playing in the official one.

That's not excluding....
 
I don't see how that's excluding people. Anyone would still be free to host, run, organize, etc.... tourney they want.

All I'm saying is have an official person run regular tourneys with the same rules/time&date standards every time, such as a Staff Position. Then when those go off with a bang, no one would bother to make their own tourneys, they'd all be playing in the official one.

That's not excluding....

If they where annual tournies, then it would be with a set person running them and not anyone else.
That kinda is excluding people ya think?
I would not be able to run a tournie out side of the date and if I was nt the one holding thta one then I could not run one at all....
yep excluding.
 
I would also like to suggest adding Pablo into the mix of tourny organizers for pokemon. Most of the pokemon tournies people are hosting either have ridiculous rules or they take forever to finish.
 
If they where annual tournies, then it would be with a set person running them and not anyone else.
That kinda is excluding people ya think?
I would not be able to run a tournie out side of the date and if I was nt the one holding thta one then I could not run one at all....
yep excluding.
You WOULD be able to run a tourny anytime. You could run one IN THE MIDDLE of the OFFICIAL one. No one is stoppping you.

Look at it like TOs and PTOs. The Members are TOs, they run tournys. Whoever we choose to have the Staff Posistion is the PTO. They are the official guys. Pokemon doesn't stop people from running non-official tournys, so why do we?

You know how you've been doing those Drafts at league? YOU BEING THE TO.

You know the CC we went to? Our local PTO (Clay) BEING THE PTO.

That isn't excluding people. Anyone is still free to run ANY tourny. I have no clue what you're taking about.

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I'm simply suggesting: Let's get and official PTO for PokeGym tournys.

We can still let to TOs make their own WHENEVER they want.
 
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I don't think Pokegym would sponsor this type of idea and if so there really is no need for this....sorry but I don't approve of this idea, too many games for someone to keep track of and alot of rules to run by.

CMT
 
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