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Mewtwo, Darkrai, Rayqauza EX ALL to be tin Promos in Fall

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Box of Fail said:
This seems to me to be the best possible financial decision, though....

I think it's outrageous that so-called 'serious' players expect to use chase cards at big events and then have them retain a decent resale value post-tournament. The reason you bought the card was to use it at the event. After that's over, the value's been expended. Why not tin it to scrape out the 'casual' $$?
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While the statement you said about the release of tins is an opportunity is correct, I have to disagree about the quoted statement. Every other TCG game I have actively played does not adhere to this. Mainly MTG . They try very hard not interfere at all with secondary market sales, and if they do (VERY RARELY I might add) it is in a manner that still retains the rarity of the cards. They understand that being a game there is still the collection aspect to it. Pokemon understands this. Hence the re-release of cards in alternate rarer forms (think Archeops/Gardevoir/Pokemon Collector/Emboar/Hydreigon/Zoroark etc...). But when you make a card as powerful and rare as the aforementioned EX's SIGNIFICANTLY easier to obtain, it starts to throw the collectible standpoint out the window. Most people who bought the said cards were looking at the game as a long-term hobby and not to just win the next premier event. They were very good investments as the EX's are gong to be in the format for a long while and the 3 they are tinning are very powerful, versatile cards, and are surely going to be in the top tiers for their lives in Modified formats. It would have been one thing if the cards were not as rare (1-2/6 per BOX) and then tinned them. But they are rare cards that take multiple boxes to obtain AND they are some of the most powerful cards in the game so it is reasonable to think they would be so expensive, premier events notwithstanding, So in short, it is not "outrageous" as you said, to think that these cards would retain their value after main events. The shock is not that they are devaluing, that is to be expected for NUMEROUS reasons. The shock is that a $60 card, that is NECESSARY to win premier events, turns into a $10 card in a matter of a few months. That is not common or expected in the game of Pokemon (that is the crap Yu-Gi-Oh! does) so frustration is to be expected, and understood.

And to stay on-topic: I think the Mewtwo art looks great, The Rayquaza art is on par with the other arts. The only one I think is lacking is the Darkrai. But we can;t see the full card yet so maybe it wont be as bad as it seems. I think the Full Art version of Darkrai should have been the normal art, and the normal be the Full Art. Same goes for Mewtwo.
 
"They were very good investments as the EX's are gong to be in the format for a long while and the 3 they are tinning are very powerful, versatile cards, and are surely going to be in the top tiers for their lives in Modified formats."

This is where I call bull.

The metagame could change after a single set release. Durant goes from a definite metagame choice to not even playable after Dark Explorer's release, for example. For all we know, a huge basic counter could come out in 2 sets from now, making all of the Basic EXs not even playable.

Seeing how these tins will come out after Nationals, I say the players investing in the current versions of the cards are getting their value out of them by having a better chance of earning prizes at Nationals. Those who wait to purchase the tins will have a much lower chance of doing well without two of the most popular cards right now, thus trading chance of success for price.

If a competitive player wants to do well at a big event, they'll need the newest and most expensive cards. Don't blame TPCi if they decide 6 months later to make it easier to get some of those cards. That's called making money, and that is a company's number one goal. Knowing what the consumers want to purchase and providing it is an everyday tactic. Yes, the value of the original cards will go down, but let's be frank, they are really just pieces of cardboard.
 
By the way, for those of you who keep defending "serious players," I don't think that true serious players have any room to complain. Earlier in the thread, I someone mention David Sirlin (which I like BTW), but then he criticized the tins too. The thing is, Sirlin never actually said that you would get your money back by playing to win. In fact, he says here that playing to win probably is a mistake in and of itself. We all knew that we would lose money when we bought our Darkrais and Mewtwos yet we're complaining anyway. This isn't unfair to us (the competitive playerbase) because, frankly, we knew (or should have known) that we would lose money on our investment.
 
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"They were very good investments as the EX's are gong to be in the format for a long while and the 3 they are tinning are very powerful, versatile cards, and are surely going to be in the top tiers for their lives in Modified formats."

This is where I call bull.

The metagame could change after a single set release. Durant goes from a definite metagame choice to not even playable after Dark Explorer's release, for example. For all we know, a huge basic counter could come out in 2 sets from now, making all of the Basic EXs not even playable.

Seeing how these tins will come out after Nationals, I say the players investing in the current versions of the cards are getting their value out of them by having a better chance of earning prizes at Nationals. Those who wait to purchase the tins will have a much lower chance of doing well without two of the most popular cards right now, thus trading chance of success for price.

If a competitive player wants to do well at a big event, they'll need the newest and most expensive cards. Don't blame TPCi if they decide 6 months later to make it easier to get some of those cards. That's called making money, and that is a company's number one goal. Knowing what the consumers want to purchase and providing it is an everyday tactic. Yes, the value of the original cards will go down, but let's be frank, they are really just pieces of cardboard.
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Yes the meta changes, and quite often, by new cards being introduced. However, for the above 3 stated cards, as long as there is any sort of energy acceleration they will be used. Being basic, having HUGE hp, and ridiculous attacks, makes them extremely easy to build strategies around. Mewtwo and Rayquaza have the potential to OHKO any card in the format and require 2 Hits themselves a severe majority of the time (Mewtwo wars notwithstanding). Darkrai will 2HKO most of the time but will also deal out bench damage so with catcher plays and the support he has he is very versatile with damage spread. There is no possible way a card can out speed Basics like that consistently unless there was a stage 1/2 that has a power that reads "No basic Pokemon may attack". Even if they did print such a card, we are getting de-evolution soon anyways. So for as far as I can see, in the BW-on format, they will always be played.

And as far as the complaining goes, all my posts were saying that it is not unusual nor is it unacceptable that people are annoyed/angry/upset/etc, about this. This is a very rare event, if the first, that this many money cards have been re-released this way and so soon. And being basics, no setting up and ridiculous searching support, as long as you can get energy on them fast then they will be in the top. So the main complaining is because this is an unprecedented event, no one saw it. This wasn't something that was known or to be expected. They shouldn't have de-valued so quickly. They wouldn't have dropped so much until they were rotated out, that's what I mean when I say a good investment.

And lastly, I have stated multiple times that i welcome the tins. I think that its a great way to balance the game out. All my posts are trying to convey is, being a forum mind you, people are just shook up about this release for the reasons I have stated many times. So to have them come on here and voice their opinions is a normal thing to do. The only reason I said something in the first place is it seemed most people were not even considering what the "complainers" had to say and were just immediately dismissing them as whining with nothing constructive being said. Thus it was a back and forth nonsense-storm. I see where both sides are and have tried to be neutral in my stance.
 
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HerptheDerp, I wasn't commenting on your post in general, but that single idea you proposed. I hope you didn't take any offense.
 
Prime said:
HerptheDerp, I wasn't commenting on your post in general, but that single idea you proposed. I hope you didn't take any offense.
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You're fine. I didn't take it that way just wasn't sure on what exactly you were commenting on. No offense taken!
My last post was a reply to the general thread.
 
HerpTheDerp said:
Yes the meta changes, and quite often, by new cards being introduced. However, for the above 3 stated cards, as long as there is any sort of energy acceleration they will be used. Being basic, having HUGE hp, and ridiculous attacks, makes them extremely easy to build strategies around. Mewtwo and Rayquaza have the potential to OHKO any card in the format and require 2 Hits themselves a severe majority of the time (Mewtwo wars notwithstanding). Darkrai will 2HKO most of the time but will also deal out bench damage so with catcher plays and the support he has he is very versatile with damage spread. There is no possible way a card can out speed Basics like that consistently unless there was a stage 1/2 that has a power that reads "No basic Pokemon may attack". Even if they did print such a card, we are getting de-evolution soon anyways. So for as far as I can see, in the BW-on format, they will always be played.
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Devolution Spray only works on your own Pokemon.
 
TheRolesWePlay said:
...How did this chain make sense again?
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It doesn't. Sigilyph is a rather overrated card. It only prevents damage done to IT by EX and it has a pretty steep energy cost for a very underpowered attack. Couple that with 90 HP and it's a bad card IMO. However i will admit i was wrong about them not being able to OHKO ANY pokemon in the format, this is comparing apples to oranges as it cant even damage it at all.
 
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