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Miscut double sided holo card

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"public" means that the card was produced to be released to the public.
Mostly that means that they were for sale in packs or box sets or something.
Trophy cards are somewhat public in that they have been released, but they have to be earned and their quantity can vary from Victory Medals to World Championship cards.

These are not "public" in that they were produced to be used at an event and not given out to the public.
They are not a "real" card. They are a decoration.

Now, that doesn't mean they don't have some value. decorations for large events can have a good value. They are certainly collectible. As I've said, the biggest objection that I have to pegging a value on them is that most bidders are offering a price based on misunderstanding what they are.
 
Crazy, check everyone's posts, they are making the same points about your purchase that I am.

Pop posted factual information about the cards. You post pseudo justifications to boost your already tilted view of anything uncut. Your purchase is not bad, I would buy the decoration cards, just for $25. I just don't see any reason to even reference trophy cards except for you trying to embellish your miscut card.

I want to know the FACTS, an accurate estimate, that is why I post on here. The community wants to know how many exist so they can have an accurate understanding before they open their wallets.
 
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PokePop said:
dogma has a point that if people are consistently paying $X for something, maybe it is worth $X.

But I would feel more comfortable agreeing with that if the people offering that kind of money knew the backstory of what these are.
If they are thinking that they are a misprint, then what they are willing to pay is meaningless.
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I don't agree with that last sentence and I think that crazypokemon has a point.

Knowing the backstory has done nothing except make people think that there's loads of these out there. But we've not seen loads of these (at least, not yet), and as far as I can tell, even DMTM doesn't know whether the cards were destroyed after the STS's.

So actually, knowing the facts, how many do you think were made? And how many do you know have sold for $25-$50?

Facts are great - and people like Scott and I spend a lot of time trying to get them, but at the end of the day you just don't know.

crazy - I still agree with you. We don't know if the lots of these will suddenly appear and we don't know how many of these still remain. Until these flood the market, I can see others paying a lot for these, even if they read this thread.

PS: I actually have a prime example of people "ignoring" the facts. A Poké Dude trainer went for $1000 when all the facts suggested a value of around $400 was better. And I'm sure the buyer read the posts Scott and I made over at UPCCC about that too. Sometimes people just really want cards
 
Dogma, first I think what you are saying is definitely true! But I think if the buyer would know the past records of the pokedude the end might of been different. I mean I can sell ice to an ignorant Eskimo but that does not prove anything. I think what pop is getting at is that if people knew the information they would be like ok this is a $50 range.

The pokedude sold for $350, $400 multiple times and $100ish. It is just about getting a realistic average, which there is always an average range. And if someone really wants a card, then supply and demand is definitely reality. In a case with a miscut collectible like this, knowledge is power.

Also a perfect example of misinformed selling is the natta wake birthday pikachu. A seller won all 6 of the natta wake cards for $60 total and listed the pikachu for $300. That was over a year ago, and the same listing is still up on ebay. Also because of that listing other people have listed natta pika's at that price. There was an auction ending for the natta wake pika at $50 and another at $61 in the past month. Point being that the realistic price is $45-75, not the crazy $300.

I just don't want another Birthday pikachu incident. The original one used to go for an outrageous amount in the late 90's. When everyone was informed on the ACTUAL number of copies the price dropped, as it should.

With all this said you are right that a card can go for X amount of money if someone wants to pay that. The facts and price averages just help people gauge and should definitely be accurately portrayed! :smile:
 
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well anyway so far there is only 2 of these cards, no one else has came forward proving they have one either as part of their collection or to sell. Basic speaking the only 2 that made its presence is in my collection.

With only 2 accounted for that is still in existance and no other mention of the cards beside myself in recent post and the pojo article that was made way back when the 2000 sts took place.
Its only safe to assume these cards are in small quantity because there really is not much talk about these cards because until i found them these were never really talked about.

Also DMTM does not even know where the rest of the cards is, and he supposed to know everything.

kinda surprising he knew all to well about the pre release raichu but is clueless about what happend to the decoration cards.
Sounds to me someone from wotc screwed up and kept info away from DMTM.:nonono:

well the only facts we have to work with is both sales ended a near duplicate price range,around the same amount of bids and bidders and the price stayed the same for the last couple of years.
 
Yes that is true crazy! Both did end in the same range. But there are definitely more out there.

Those test sheets you have, I remember a time when I could of scooped up a box full but passed because I was broke and focused on promo cards. They were from two ex wotc employees or two guys who were close with ex employee's. Either way they priced them to me extremely low. They also had a few sample cards and priced them low as well. They did not sell much on ebay and were not into collecting pokemon whatsoever and I was only referred to them because I made a large purchase from someone on ebay who generously gave me their contact information.

What I am getting at is that there are definitely more copies out there, it is just that they are probably in hands of people who could care less about pokemon, or just don't sell online :nonono: :frown: Hopefully more of the 1,000 turn up.
 
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This is the first time I've heard of these "decorations" or however they would be defined, so thanks to everyone providing info about them here! I think I'm leaning towards what crazy and dogma are saying, if I'm understanding them correctly. From what I gather, only two have been sold publicly and no one is entirely clear on what happened to the cards after the event. They were used as decorations and were NOT given away to the attendees, though obviously some got out there. Though thousands were originally produced, the vast majority of them are unaccounted for and have been for years, except for these two which both sold for about $100. So where does the $25-50 value come from? You can't really base the value on the fact that thousands were made when none were officially given away, because at that point the "release" number is totally unknown, especially when there is a possibility that they were destroyed. The only factual info we have on the value is that they've sold for $100, so why shouldn't that be used as an estimate?
 
I feel I need to point this out, while bidding ended at over $100 both times, the first time crazy only paid $70 after he messaged the guy saying that even though he won the auction at over $100 he wanted to make a deal and pay less.
 
@crazy: How do you get away with that?

Seriously, how are you not getting banned from eBay for doing that? That's really bad, bid what you mean to pay!

PS: Reina has it spot on - thanks :)
 
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That was a few years ago and i bidded the wrong amount, before i was able to correct my bid the auction ended.
something happend either a computer glitch or a typo on my part and i entered the wrong amount.
I think i added an extra zero in the end and it was $700
I told the seller what happened and told him the most i had on me at the time was $70,

Im pretty sure i said i could pay the difference within a couple of weeks when i get more money, I usualy do get more money in early january after the holidays is over.

He said dont worry about it he will just take the $70 and said happy holidays.



He dident have to do that, he was nice to me for doing that.
He justs wants to sell fast and move on to the next item to sell,

He could have waited about 2 weeks and i could have done $70 now and the rest in 2 weeks, or could have done the 2nd chance offer to someone else.

He was very understanding, we talked and negotiated and it was just $70 even and said happy holidays and that was it.
 
Sorry - didn't know the full story (I seem to recall you doing this more than once though and for more than the STS card).
 
Not that i recall?
I have had issues with finishing deals but not too many issues with ebay.
I do have 100% feedback on ebay.

I think one time i had an issue where someone was trying to charge me double or tripple for shipping and it was overseas.

the ebay original listing for shipping was about $15-20 for overseas and then at the end of the listing he wanted like 40 or 50
I had issues with paying that because i agreed to what was on the ebay page, the seller tried to make a profit on shipping.

So he got upset he dident scam me.


I make more deals offline because alot of people dont want to deal with ebay fees and figure out shipping before the auction ends.

offline is better because we both come to an agreement on a price without any of the crap form ebay. The only reason why ebay is good is because of the "protection" but the protection is all about paypal really.
 
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Reina, we are trying to establish the rarity then value. Why the $25-50 price is coming up is because most people would pay that after hearing information about the cards. Also the only facts we have are that 1,000 were printed, everything else is just speculation and that is what needs to be extinguished. Yes all 1,000 might not be out there, but the possible buyer should have as much info as possible before a purchase.

These are the rules on ebay. For live auctions There are three ways it can end if you win.

1. You bid, win and pay.
2. You bid too much and can retract a bid before the auction ends (this is what should of happened).
3. You can request to cancel the transaction after the auction ends. This is up to the seller who can also open an unpaid item claim.

If it was an accident as you say, which I believe you, the typical solution would be to retract your bid and if it was too late and the auction ended you can request to cancel the transaction. The seller then can decide to either second chance offer the item, re-list it or deny your request to cancel.

The fact is that you got lucky hitting an extremely nice/patient seller. As a buyer I would never ever bid an amount I did not have. If someone put $100 bid on my card and then said oh sorry I only have $70 and try to haggle, please believe I will open a claim instantly. If the card is buy it now/make an offer that is totally acceptable. If it is a live auction it is unethical and just bad business.
 
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Scott, I understand what is trying to be established here. Value follows rarity, that is a given. However, I am saying the rarity on these things is so ambiguous that this estimate of $25-50, in my opinion, seems to be a big shot in the dark. If you could confidently say that there continues to be an estimate of ~thousands of them, then ok, value it at whatever else you see that was printed in the same number. But these are different, they were never meant to be given away so their "official" release number is technically zero, and with no insider info available from employees like the one mentioned before (I don't know who they are to mention by name, sorry), it is just as likely that they were mostly destroyed as it is that they all are still out there. This is what I mean by ambiguity, with so many factors unknown it is just as likely that there are only these two as there are 1500, which makes it impossible to attach an accurate value to it. At that point, all you have to turn to is known sales.

Also, when you say the only fact is that there were 1000 made, that is not entirely accurate; only two surfacing and being sold publicly is also a fact, as well as the prices which were paid on each. Given these facts, I would say it is only reasonable to define the rarity as unknown, and the value between $70-100, because those are the only known sales. Once the rarity becomes more clear, that value may change. It really depends on whether you feel demand for a card should hold more stock in its value than rarity alone.
 
I definitely understand that point. I agree with everything you are saying and am only trying to distinguish between what we know and are speculating.

Yes only two have surfaced but that does not prove anything. Just as there being 1,000 copies printed is only proof of 1,000 copies being printed, not 1,000 copies existing. I agree with everyone in believing that exactly 1,000 are not floating around, all I am emphasizing is that the only Fact we have is that 1,000 were printed. That does not mean 1,000 exist but it does mean there is a very strong chance others are floating around.

The most important point is trying to get a realistic idea/impression so a buyer can be informed so we don't have another birthday pikachu incident.
 
evil psyduck said:
They were already discussed in the link below. Why bring them up again.

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88576
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I remember that thread and genuinely didn't put 2 and 2 together and realise this is talking about the same thing. Plus that thread was ages ago!

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Reina, we are trying to establish the rarity then value. Why the $25-50 price is coming up is because most people would pay that after hearing information about the cards.
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Hmmmm... I think we disagree here. I think we three things determine a card value:

1) previous sales. If there's a lot of them then just follow the market price on eBay/trades etc. This would cover the vast majority of cards

2) print runs. If a card was severely limited, this clearly pushes up the price. Think every trophy card, but also things like the 2009/2010 Japanese Illustrator sets

3) history and information. The Pre-release Raichu is a card with an amazing history. Is it worth $10,000? Who knows? But how it came about and then DMTM selling to Will and then that coming pubic on Aprils Fools... just really interesting stuff.

The same can of course be said of the STS decorations. A part of history and we know that a load of these were made.

But lets look at the three factors in turn.

1) the only sales we have seen have been for high prices

2) we know that these cards weren't "public" as defined earlier in this thread. And we also know that there was a limited number made ("in the low thousands") which isn't super rare, except we have no idea where most of these are. So by all accounts currently limited

3) the history is actually the most contentious point. Pokepop and smpratte keep saying its a $20-$50 card based on the actual information. But this is assuming somehow the cards are all going to show up. If they do en masse, then absolutely agreed the price should come down. There's no guarantee of that though.


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Also the only facts we have are that 1,000 were printed, everything else is just speculation and that is what needs to be extinguished. Yes all 1,000 might not be out there, but the possible buyer should have as much info as possible before a purchase.
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Read Pokepop's post again. Not thousand. Plural. Which you'd think helps your argument, but actually it doesn't. We don't know how many of these are still out there. Its entirely possible the vast majority produced for the STS were destroyed. You can't accept as fact that tons of these will somehow come onto the market as people try to make a quick buck.

So having looked at all of the arguments, I would agree with crazypokemon and value the card higher. We have one fact about this type of card, and that is that they were produced in limited quantities for a STS. Everything else is just speculation. Not fact. We don't have the facts we'd like to make a reasoned guess.
 
Let me see if i understand everything correctly.
A thousand was made for the sts event correct?
Yes even though a thousand or thousands of people were to be at the event that does not mean they particpated in the tcg game.

We are all assuming you entered the place and boom you got the decoration card.

But if these were for the STS qualifier wouldent the participant of the tcg game get the card.

So why would there need to make thousand(s)

Why give away a card just for showing up and not play the trading card game.


Pokepop can you tell me what was to be the rules or ways to obtain the decoration cards that no one got because they all "disapeared"

Because it was first said it was for the sts qualifier, how many people competed at the sts?
Was the STS finals for the competition or the begining? Also how many Players were there?


Dont they usualy have about 80 players at these events? so if the cards were ment for the players the QUALIFIERS shouldent it only take one sheet to make which is about 100 cards or so.

There is still alot of info not being provided and not everything is clear.

Sure pop said DMTM said they were thousands but he doesnt even know what happened to them and he is supposed to be the main guy of wotc.
Kinda sloppy work to me that a thousand card slipped from DMTM's knowledge-somethings up if there really is a thousand gone and disappeared.

Im not sure thousand can be a trusted word if he does not even know what happend to them.

So either DMTM is hiding something (for them to disappear without his knowledge) or he just said 1000 cards for whatever reason he might have in his best intrest.
I cant see these cards "supposed" to be handed out to any and everyone just for being there.

Maybe the players for being there that for sure but just anyone playing or not?:nonono:


Now lets assume it was made for any and everyone playing or not the only thing that would make sense is that they dident make enough cards for everyone who showed up and they said forget giving away the cards.

but thats just assuming of course.

Alot of info is still not presenting itself, and some of the "truth" im wondering about because its not entirly clear.
 
Evil psyduck, this is new info for me and as that thread has been closed, I hope it's ok for us to continue discussing it here? :>
Scott, I think that we basically agree here except on some finer points. I definitely agree that information about them should be more available so that people don't think they're buying some insane miscut from a pack. The only issue I take with what you're saying is: "all I am emphasizing is that the only Fact we have is that 1,000 were printed. That does not mean 1,000 exist but it does mean there is a very strong chance others are floating around."
The chances are the same for any number that you can think of because the fate of the cards are completely unknown. You can make the argument that there were 1000 printed so there are around that many now, and you can make the argument that only two have surfaced in all this time and that speaks to the theory that there aren't as many. When rarity is unknown, so is value. That is basically the point I'm trying to make, and I only brought it up to contend the suggested value of $25-50, because I thought it seemed unsupported.
 
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