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DarthPika said:
then for some inexplicable reason someone decides that they don't want music to be beautiful and a work of art and decides to create rap, which is just a little above the level of cavemen banging on rocks and screaming about what ever they just killed. Rap = the musical equivalent of moving backwards, instead of making progress. I thought that was usually frowned upon in society? /end rant
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Sadly, this has happened with a lot of art mediums, and not just music, as I see it. In the 1700s to early 1900s, paintings were AMAZING. Look at "art" paintings today. They're crap. Bunch of squares and bad drawings tossed together. The whole point is to make it intentionally bad so that you're forced to ask the question "What is art?"

Books have suffered too. There used to be awesome stuff like Lord of the Rings, Dracula, Les Miserables, Sherlock Holmes... the list goes on and on.


And what's popular today? Twilight... and what's well received by the creative community? Mostly badly written garbage about divorce, drunk abusive dads, and other Lifetime channel drivel.

Anyways just saying agree w/u 100% darth pika
 
Popular culture has always been crap though. Even in the 1700s.

When Shakespeare was writing there were tons of crap plays that were massively popular. No-one remembers or reads them now cos . . . well, they are rubbish and no-one bothered to save them. Same with 18th-19th Century novels. We remember classics like Dickens and Austen, but no-one still reads the thousands of cheap sensational novels that were produced.

When people look back at this time, they will also forget trash like Twilight and remember the good stuff (hopefully).
 
Of course it won't be much. How much do you think is remembered from those previous times?

At least 95% of art/music/writing is either lost or forgotten from any age.
 
The Knee said:
List is missing Prog metal, it really doesn't fit into any other category given. Dream Theater still probably does it the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKhfkfnbAMQ
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I'm in agreement with this statement. *Disclaimer: I know other metal genres have been mentioned, but I'm going to go into more depth of why they need to be mentioned.*

On that note, in the category of metal, it's very, VERY lacking. For one, only listing Metal-core really perturbs me simply because there are other genres of metal, and while metal-core is very well known, other parts of it really need to be included considering how vast it is (I could go on a rant of Metal-core, but I will not). I agree that Progressive Metal is a must up there, such as Dream Theater, Opeth, and Rush (I know there are more, those are just some of the more popular ones).

What shocks me more is some of the very well known Metal-core acts like Lamb of God, All That Remains, and Killswitch Engage are not even up there, when they give some of the better representations of Metal-core. Very shocking, considering how popular these acts are, with Killswitch Engage being the most popular, and All That Remains/Lamb of God fighting for other top spots.

Also, different metal genres like Melodic Death Metal, Power Metal, and Thrash Metal are a must, as all are different from the current metal genre as well (I could list more, but I'm just sticking to what's well known). In the Melodic Death Metal genre, bands like Amon Amarth, Arch Enemy, and At The Gates are very well known, and good examples of Melodic Death Metal, and differs greatly from Metal-core (In Flames could be cited, but they're not currently Melodic Death Metal). In Power Metal, there are examples such as Ronnie James Dio, Kamelot (ex:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wRreoNRGwk), and Blind Guardian (ex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVNh_1vEgJI), all three of these bands being very well known for their genre. Then, there's Thrash Metal, the easiest to recognize with bands like Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, and Testament being some of the more recognized Thrash Metal bands. All of these genres have very different characteristics from Metal-core.

Heck, Heavy Metal is different from the metal genre listed up there, and with that, bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and the already mentioned Zepplin (Sabbath is up there, yet in the wrong spot).

While I'm at it, where is Progressive Rock? It is a very well known genre that deviates from the rest of the genres listed up there. Pink Floyd, at the very least, needs to be up there, and Rush can also fit into this category, for two well known examples.
 
I think that since every person is different, there can be many different interpretations of what music is, what is enjoyed, etc., etc. The music that I like either stimulates me or brings back memories of good (and even some bad!) times. Why I like music is because I connect it with memories--many of the songs on my MP3 player/Windows Media Player (a library of about 400 songs) have some memory associated with it.

For this reason, my preferences of music on the radio seem to be 80's pop music (groups like Romantics, Toto, Duran Duran, etc.), 70's disco music (e.g. KC and the Sunshine Band, Kool & The Gang, Bee Gees, etc.), 90's "dance" music (e.g. from the Night At The Roxbury soundtrack), and assorted 90's one-hit wonders like "In The House of Stone & Light". I'm willing to listen to almost any genre, but will usually turn down rap or hip-hop that has negative connotations. Not always, though, because the instrumentals are usually more important to me than the lyrics of songs.

For that matter, a lot of my musical tastes come in wordless songs. When I was in middle school, a lot of the songs we played were composed by James Swearingen, Bruce Pearson, and more... my favorites included "Invicta" and "Windemere," among others. I found MP3 files of some of these songs, and still listen to them, bringing back good memories of that band class. (Currently I have "Grand Canyon Overture" stuck in my head.) Additionally, smooth jazz is one of my favorites: I sort of grew up on watching The Weather Channel, and so got a taste of that genre. I also like video game music, particularly the more melodic ones. In particular, I think "Dragon Quest VIII" has the best soundtrack of any video game I've played.

Furthermore, when I go to dances, I much prefer to have a live band there, because I find it easier to move to instruments than canned music, even if all else is the same. Live orchestral concerts, etc. are great.

I guess it all just boils down to the memories and the instrumental influences.
 
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Nobodys said:
Sadly, this has happened with a lot of art mediums, and not just music, as I see it. In the 1700s to early 1900s, paintings were AMAZING. Look at "art" paintings today. They're crap. Bunch of squares and bad drawings tossed together. The whole point is to make it intentionally bad so that you're forced to ask the question "What is art?"

Books have suffered too. There used to be awesome stuff like Lord of the Rings, Dracula, Les Miserables, Sherlock Holmes... the list goes on and on.


And what's popular today? Twilight... and what's well received by the creative community? Mostly badly written garbage about divorce, drunk abusive dads, and other Lifetime channel drivel.

Anyways just saying agree w/u 100% darth pika
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in the 1700s- the illiteracy rate was ridiculous. id rather have a 98% literacy rate with people reading twilight than a tiny, selective elite reading a few classics.
 
ryanvergel: Awww, come on- I still have my first print 1703 edition copy of "How to add a moat to your castle" book signed by Sir Pokewall the 5th- you mean you don't want to read it? I can read it with no problem-
first page- Howith one would buildith a moat..........lol
just saying, I agree with your last posting.

One thing for sure (imo) is simple books: Fun with Dick And Jane
simple music: Old McDonald had a Farm
simple art: Stick people that I draw while playing Pictionary.
simple minded: a person who can not multitask the action of chewing gum and walking at the same time.....
Music is expressed in so many ways and forms- I am just grateful that are so many bands to choose from that fits my description of good music.
 
supertyranitar said:
I'm in agreement with this statement. *Disclaimer: I know other metal genres have been mentioned, but I'm going to go into more depth of why they need to be mentioned.*

On that note, in the category of metal, it's very, VERY lacking. For one, only listing Metal-core really perturbs me simply because there are other genres of metal, and while metal-core is very well known, other parts of it really need to be included considering how vast it is (I could go on a rant of Metal-core, but I will not). I agree that Progressive Metal is a must up there, such as Dream Theater, Opeth, and Rush (I know there are more, those are just some of the more popular ones).

What shocks me more is some of the very well known Metal-core acts like Lamb of God, All That Remains, and Killswitch Engage are not even up there, when they give some of the better representations of Metal-core. Very shocking, considering how popular these acts are, with Killswitch Engage being the most popular, and All That Remains/Lamb of God fighting for other top spots.

Also, different metal genres like Melodic Death Metal, Power Metal, and Thrash Metal are a must, as all are different from the current metal genre as well (I could list more, but I'm just sticking to what's well known). In the Melodic Death Metal genre, bands like Amon Amarth, Arch Enemy, and At The Gates are very well known, and good examples of Melodic Death Metal, and differs greatly from Metal-core (In Flames could be cited, but they're not currently Melodic Death Metal). In Power Metal, there are examples such as Ronnie James Dio, Kamelot (ex:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wRreoNRGwk), and Blind Guardian (ex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVNh_1vEgJI), all three of these bands being very well known for their genre. Then, there's Thrash Metal, the easiest to recognize with bands like Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, and Testament being some of the more recognized Thrash Metal bands. All of these genres have very different characteristics from Metal-core.

Heck, Heavy Metal is different from the metal genre listed up there, and with that, bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and the already mentioned Zepplin (Sabbath is up there, yet in the wrong spot).

While I'm at it, where is Progressive Rock? It is a very well known genre that deviates from the rest of the genres listed up there. Pink Floyd, at the very least, needs to be up there, and Rush can also fit into this category, for two well known examples.
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Agreed completely here.

Also, the death metal you listed wasn't exactly death metal, but more metalcore/deathcore.
some of the more poular bands include Behemoth, and (sadly) dethklok.... Pretty much everything else is covered in the above post.
 
Did somebody mention Dethklok? Great stuff, love random pokes at pop culture like this.

Good lord, there are more different types of Metal than there are Pokemon species. That's NUTZ.
 
ryanvergel said:
You're joking, right? Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath invented metal. They are one of the first, most pioneering metal bands and literally created the drama. Take a music lesson, lol.

Age has a lot of grasp of music. This kid's references to bands are completely off. Bowling for soup is punk? What about the real punk, the bands that MADE THE GENRE NAME, like the ramones or $ex pistols?
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In a way, I have to disagree with you. For SOME people, age may matter, but this doesn't always apply. I'm only 15, but have a pretty deep knowledge about music (mostly metal).

.....agreed with the Ramones and $ex Pistols thing....
 
Kabutops141 said:
In a way, I have to disagree with you. For SOME people, age may matter, but this doesn't always apply. I'm only 15, but have a pretty deep knowledge about music (mostly metal).

.....agreed with the Ramones and $ex Pistols thing....
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nothing always applies, not even laws of physics. so that should go without saying ;P
 
DarthPika: When I think of "layers" in a musical context, I think of modern music. Sonically, the music that bands are putting out today is more lush and more full than anything that came out of the 60s and 70s. The reason for this is simple: technology improves over time.

Listen to "Let Down" by Radiohead on the album OK Computer for an example of music that I'd consider densely layered.
 
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I Love old school hip hop! gangstarr is the way dj premier is rad. I love any rock with hiphop context such as 311, rage against the machine, and older incubus. With that said i really like alternative rocks and metals mainly because even though they are listed as alternative they are effectively their own unique genre.
Even though i do not like super heavy stuff because I cant exactly relate to it, I give them props for trying to be different and express themselves even though it may come off as noise to most people.

Im also a sucker for reggae

I have a real connection with music it as it is because i play bass and sing for a reggae band and produce and mix beats as well as play bass and rap for multiple hip hop groups! Its a fun way to pass the time with buddies and unwind because, well life is all about the getting into the groove! Without music and are how could we live?
 
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DarthPika said:
I mean have more than 3 repetitive simple chords. Or, maybe even have a melody!
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You've basically disqualified virtually everything from some of the best and most innovative popular artists out there, such as...

The Beatles
Elvis
Elton John
Billy Joel
Rolling Stones
Clapton
Sinatra

And that's just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head (3 seconds) before 1970. I think you've even disqualified a good deal of classical music (i.e. stuff made before 1900) that's generally considered to be classics (though don't take my word for it, I'm just going off memory).
 
bullados said:
You've basically disqualified virtually everything from some of the best and most innovative popular artists out there, such as...

The Beatles
Elvis
Elton John
Billy Joel
Rolling Stones
Clapton
Sinatra

And that's just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head (3 seconds) before 1970. I think you've even disqualified a good deal of classical music (i.e. stuff made before 1900) that's generally considered to be classics (though don't take my word for it, I'm just going off memory).
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I never said that simple meant it was bad. Some of the most briliant songs ever written have a very simple melody. When I say 3 simple chords, I mean the standard junk that so many popular songs use, with no creativity, and no feeling in them. When I say simple, I mean SIMPLE. As in, lacking any form of creativity, such as in pulling out 3 random chords, slapping them together, and calling it a song.
 
ryanvergel - you have a good point. Make that time period the mid to late 1800's to early 1900's though and everything changes. Literacy rate when way up then. Lots of great classics were written then too... probably the majority of stuff that's required reading at schools. Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, Frederick Douglass, all of Dickens and Austen, Frankenstien, Les Miserables, Hunchback of Notre Dame,, Jules Vern, HG Wells... the list just goes on and on and on...
ryanvergel: Awww, come on- I still have my first print 1703 edition copy of "How to add a moat to your castle" book signed by Sir Pokewall the 5th- you mean you don't want to read it? I can read it with no problem-
first page- Howith one would buildith a moat..........lol
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Wow... ignorant much? 1703 was Renaissance through enlightenment era. It was the time of Sir Isaac Newton. In 1704 and 1705 the first rudimentary electric and steam powered machines were made. It was the time of colonists, piracy, puritans... etc... not feudal war with castles... Even that language you used was pretty much dead at that time, "the 'th' ending to words". The time period you painted was easily 1400's or 1300's, not 1700's...
 
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