Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Name that card: Smashing Gyarados with Machamp

dancingaway

dancingaway

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Hey,

Went to a cities at the weekend, playing Donphan / Machamp. Went 3-1 and got 3rd, losing only to a Gyarados. Which brings me to my question:

What can i do to my deck to make it beat (or at least stand up to) Gyarados?

Cheers!
 
infernape LvX, more of a hassle but if you can get it out: intimidating roar and take out benched basics for win.
 
4-3-2/2 Champ Prime/Sf
3-1 Uxie
1 Mesprit
1 Q
1 Azelf
1 Regice
=19
4 Collector
4 Bebes
4 Seeker
4 Candy
3 BTS
3 Comm
2 Ruins Of Alph
2 Belt
1 LuxBall
1 Palmer
1 Cynthias
1 Lookers
=30
7 Fighting
4 DCE
=11

Donphan slows the deck and makes it clunky. It's the reason why you lose to Gyarados. With this list, I've only lost to two gyarados in a tournament(diff tournaments, one was game3 where my opening hand was, Azelf, 3 fighting, 3 bts, drew into a belt, then 2 comms while i preceed to lose.) =\
 
This is going to sound weird but Warp Point. Every time you use it it gives you a Prize! I run 4 and it has saved me countless times.
 
Gyara will go doubledos against ape x. I actually think donphan might your best option, once you get his attack off your champs are swinging for INSANE damage, combine that with a tons of Judges/Seeker and you might stand a chance, still not a good matchup but hey..

Or use Magnezone/Machamp. in testing ive got a positive matchup against all 3 top-decks with it.
 
Qwachansey said:
This is going to sound weird but Warp Point. Every time you use it it gives you a Prize! I run 4 and it has saved me countless times.
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A good Gyarados player will just play two Gyaras down to avoid Warp Point.

Your best bet is to try and warp very early, and keep up the Seekers/Judges, as said before. Machamp Prime can discard their Rescue Energy, which can also help.
 
#1. Hand disruption. constantly.

#2. Pokemon reversal. Roast that sableye!

#3. De-evoluter - remind gyarados of his wimpy origins. >:)

#4 More ruins of alph, just say "NO" (hopefully) to him recovering so fast.

#5 (bonus!) Turtwig GL. make him brave with an expert belt and he will wall gyarados like a stud. This is situational though! (yes, Austino i see you) and only a task for the noble of heart.

wait. Machamp and turtwig GL don't get along too hot... shucks man, scratch #5.

but those are some effective strategies!
 
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If you're playing Champ Prime, and your opponent plays a 2nd Gyarados to prevent Warp Point ownage, that's basically automatic advantage -> Champ since they now can't 2HKO Champ Prime. :x
 
Tagrineth said:
If you're playing Champ Prime, and your opponent plays a 2nd Gyarados to prevent Warp Point ownage, that's basically automatic advantage -> Champ since they now can't 2HKO Champ Prime. :x
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It's not like Expert Belt is a crucial card in Gyarados or anything...
 
Kabutops141 said:
A good Gyarados player will just play two Gyaras down to avoid Warp Point.

Your best bet is to try and warp very early, and keep up the Seekers/Judges, as said before. Machamp Prime can discard their Rescue Energy, which can also help.
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If my opponent has 2 Gyarados on the field in most cases I'm not going to be worried :confused:
 
Qwachansey said:
If my opponent has 2 Gyarados on the field in most cases I'm not going to be worried :confused:
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With only one Gyarados out, even if belted, it isn't OHKOing a Machamp. If it's going to THKO something, might as well play down two Gyaras and block Warp Points while you're at it. With Expert Belt and Crobats, Gyarados should be able to score the THKO fairly easily. >>b
 
Yeah Honestly don't try to tech out your deck THAT much just for 1 Match up, you said you only lost because of a Nightmare of a start. But if you were going to change something, Run Pokemon Circulator, Unlike Reversal which makes you flip, You get an auto Switch on Gyarados, and Assuming it's a normal person playing Gyarados, Their bench will be nothing but basics (Sableye, Crobat G, Uxie, Azelf, Smeargle Ect....), allowing you to KO them with Basically any of your big attackers. (Donphan, Machamp Sf, Machamp Prime). You could use Warp point as well, but it's situational. But if your running Junk arm, you can abuse the Heck out of Pokemon Circulator. This is one of the few decks that Pokemon Circulator actually can be useful
 
Kabutops141 said:
With only one Gyarados out, even if belted, it isn't OHKOing a Machamp. If it's going to THKO something, might as well play down two Gyaras and block Warp Points while you're at it. With Expert Belt and Crobats, Gyarados should be able to score the THKO fairly easily. >>b
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I strongly disagree with this. In order for gdos to score a 2hko against machamp, you'll need to be belted, and a crobat drop IF my champ was belted. On the other hand, i can easily score a 2hko against your gdos, whether im belted or not. Also, champ has the ability to tag out whenever he wants to be healed via seeker as compared to gdos where u rely heavily on your warp energy and ssu flips to get out of active.

@ OP: I highly recommend running infernape 4 lv x with 2 or 3 warp points. Warp points would help early game, and also with getting infernape out. With infernape out, it helps a lot with the gdos matchup since u can basically roar for a prize every turn, and if he lays down 2 gdos, u can easily 2hko it for 2 prizes.
 
Kabutops141 said:
A good Gyarados player will just play two Gyaras down to avoid Warp Point.

Your best bet is to try and warp very early, and keep up the Seekers/Judges, as said before. Machamp Prime can discard their Rescue Energy, which can also help.
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2 gyrados so only doing 60 if my opponent does that then I can't see how you can't win?
 
semi-srs bsns suggestion: HonchDarknessRestoreKarps for lulz

srs bsns suggestion: Judge.
 
Alrighty. So, say you have one Gyarados out doing 90/110. Champ is 2HKOing you, and you are 2HKOing them. But, they can also play Warp Points to score free prizes off the bench.

Now, you have two Gyarados in play. Obviously it's going to be belted, so it can 2HKO. Either way, you're still 2HKOing the Machamp, but this time, they cannot Warp Point. Sure, they can 2HKO you back, but whether they 2HKO you, or grab two prizes with Warp Point, they're stil taking two prizes in two turns. All the while, you are protected from Warp Points, and can also do Seeker/Warp/etc.

I mean, it's no autoloss to Gyarados, but if they play two Gyaras, Warp Points aren't going to see much play.
 
Kabutops141 said:
Alrighty. So, say you have one Gyarados out doing 90/110. Champ is 2HKOing you, and you are 2HKOing them. But, they can also play Warp Points to score free prizes off the bench.

Now, you have two Gyarados in play. Obviously it's going to be belted, so it can 2HKO. Either way, you're still 2HKOing the Machamp, but this time, they cannot Warp Point. Sure, they can 2HKO you back, but whether they 2HKO you, or grab two prizes with Warp Point, they're stil taking two prizes in two turns. All the while, you are protected from Warp Points, and can also do Seeker/Warp/etc.

I mean, it's no autoloss to Gyarados, but if they play two Gyaras, Warp Points aren't going to see much play.
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I have seen the machamp gyrados match its really 50/50 due to how fast gyrados usually gets 1-3 prizes before the champ can have tag seeker set up. If your only doing 60/80 belt that means you need to hit one prime 3 times to in order to score a knockout which won't happen thats far too slow to win against machamp doing 100-140 depending on bench damage. Not to mention Gyrados has tons of ways to pick up gyrados from the discard even with warp point the match is still 50/50 .
 
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