News from outside the USA ... and Happy New Year
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Glumanda
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Germany will probably get prereleases! Well, it is sure up to 90%, because we´re waiting for the ultimate confirmation. Stuttgart and Dortmund will host them on March 13th.
So we´re getting a step closer to the US sitaution, but not really, cause we have to pay 20 Euro and get only 1 booster per player prize support. Is it the same in US? Is it the same in UK, Netherlands or Belgium? If not, then the next step to talk about will be, that there should be an international standard rule for these events. Or should you be punished for living in the wrong country?
But: Let us first exchange above the regulations in the different countries, and then, let´s complain about it.
So we´re getting a step closer to the US sitaution, but not really, cause we have to pay 20 Euro and get only 1 booster per player prize support. Is it the same in US? Is it the same in UK, Netherlands or Belgium? If not, then the next step to talk about will be, that there should be an international standard rule for these events. Or should you be punished for living in the wrong country?
But: Let us first exchange above the regulations in the different countries, and then, let´s complain about it.
Rainbowgym
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There is a standard prize support, look at all the PTO's who announce their prerelease.
Even we got 1 prerelease, but this time with the normal prizestructure.
Even we got 1 prerelease, but this time with the normal prizestructure.
P_A
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Glumanda, I'm not sure how this relates to how your prize support works over there, but here's the situation over here in Canada and the States: For the pre-releases that have been played so far, the number of participants made little or no difference on the prize structure. Each age group (10and under, 11-14, and 15+) got a set prize. 1st place finish got a box, 2nd place got 1/2 box (18 boosters), and both 3rd and 4th got 1/4 box (9 boosters). So in total, each pre-release got 6 boxes of product specifically for prize support. I don't have the information on how many boxes were sent to each pre-release, and doubt I could give it if I did. The information I just gave you has been public knowledge for some time now. So if your pre-release doesn't have the same prize support, I'd have to wonder why. There may be a perfectly logical reason, but I don't see it. This may be another example of inequality, or it may be just an oversight that hasn't been corrected yet. In any case, something should be mentioned somehow. That's my 2 cents.
Marcello-Milord
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Maybe because distributors pay for the product?
If they have to spend for 6 boxes for each prerelease, it's too much. So they gave this limit for prizes...
Consider that Italy will not have its prerelease cause the distributor don't trust in PUI shipping in time the product.
If they have to spend for 6 boxes for each prerelease, it's too much. So they gave this limit for prizes...
Consider that Italy will not have its prerelease cause the distributor don't trust in PUI shipping in time the product.
RainbowRichards
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procrastination_alley said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC the Prereleases gave prizes down to 8th place in each age group...the City Championships are giving prizes for 1st - 4th.
Prof Donphan
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Consider that Italy will not have its prerelease cause the distributor don't trust in PUI shipping in time the product.[/QUOTE said:
Marcello,
Could you tell your distributor that, if material can arrive in other European countries, there is no reason to have delays in Italy only ?
Quite strange to hear that the Italian distributor don't trust PUI. WE should trust them without any contract (and contacts) like the distributors have with them ? :lol:
I'm still waiting for further info about pre-releases in Belgium (prize support, ...). I'll let you know.
Talking about delivery and date of release ... the first set of Duel Masters (new WotC game) will be in the US and European shops on March 6 ... boxes are already on their way to the distributors warehouses.
Who's talking about material not delivered on time for a prerelease ?
Could you tell your distributor that, if material can arrive in other European countries, there is no reason to have delays in Italy only ?
Quite strange to hear that the Italian distributor don't trust PUI. WE should trust them without any contract (and contacts) like the distributors have with them ?
:lol: I'm still waiting for further info about pre-releases in Belgium (prize support, ...). I'll let you know.
Talking about delivery and date of release ... the first set of Duel Masters (new WotC game) will be in the US and European shops on March 6 ... boxes are already on their way to the distributors warehouses.
Who's talking about material not delivered on time for a prerelease ?
Rainbowgym
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Glumanda
Prizestructure should be the same, no matter if a distributor has to pay for it. Period.
But last prerelease I tried and tried to get the same structure and my reward was to be kicked out of organising any premier event.
The same looks like to appear for CC, 1 booster per player support ( so you better try to get at least 218 players than you can give away the same prices as in the overseas only real OP)
Prizestructure should be the same, no matter if a distributor has to pay for it. Period.
But last prerelease I tried and tried to get the same structure and my reward was to be kicked out of organising any premier event.
The same looks like to appear for CC, 1 booster per player support ( so you better try to get at least 218 players than you can give away the same prices as in the overseas only real OP)
Glumanda
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As it seems, each non-US distributor can handle the prize support as he wants to. Problem is: Magic gets the same prize support internationally (1 booster per player) and has the same distributor as Pokemon in Germany. So the reason I got: "We don´t want to singnificantly prefer one of the games distributed by us" is completely understandable.
Since the first prerelease, my opinion is, that prize supports for the prereleases are way to high. Worst case szanario is 8 players per age group making something like 7 displays prize support for 24 players. So let´s go to little tiny prereleases, then there is a high possibility you don´t need to buy any other cards. Now if you have 240 players you have THE SAME prize support. I don´t think that this is fair either. And as another drawback, giving away displays on prereleases, which should be an event for assembling new players, causes the danger of an unfriendly atmosphere (the higher the stakes, possibly the more cheaters, possibly the more trouble with ruleslawyers).
If I don´t look abroad, I think the way "1 booster per player" is a fair deal for a fun event, where you want to have some pleasure with the new cards. If I look abroad, of course it´s unfair. But any system, where the prize support doesn´t depend on the number of players, is unfair as well.
Display prizes should IMO be reserved for high-level events.
Since the first prerelease, my opinion is, that prize supports for the prereleases are way to high. Worst case szanario is 8 players per age group making something like 7 displays prize support for 24 players. So let´s go to little tiny prereleases, then there is a high possibility you don´t need to buy any other cards. Now if you have 240 players you have THE SAME prize support. I don´t think that this is fair either. And as another drawback, giving away displays on prereleases, which should be an event for assembling new players, causes the danger of an unfriendly atmosphere (the higher the stakes, possibly the more cheaters, possibly the more trouble with ruleslawyers).
If I don´t look abroad, I think the way "1 booster per player" is a fair deal for a fun event, where you want to have some pleasure with the new cards. If I look abroad, of course it´s unfair. But any system, where the prize support doesn´t depend on the number of players, is unfair as well.
Display prizes should IMO be reserved for high-level events.
But: the games are produced by different companies. If the support was this different when both were WotC games, perhaps that would make sense...but now, when they are not? Is YGO support on the same level, and if not, are there arguments that it 'should' be, even though that is produced by yet another company?Glumanda: said:
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RainbowRichards
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Just a question from a new & junior TO:
How can prizes be sent in advance from POP based upon the # of players, when you can't know beforehand how many will come?
How can prizes be sent in advance from POP based upon the # of players, when you can't know beforehand how many will come?
Glumanda said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought part of the concern was that they were giving players one booster for their entry fee and they would have to build a deck from that. How would anyone be able to build a deck from 9 cards?
Forgive me if I misunderstood the way it was.
RainbowRichards
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'pop - the issue is that Prize Support is calculated as 1 booster for each participant. So if 24 players enter, the prize pool is 24 booster packs...
P_A
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Glumanda said:
I'm not sure I agree with you here. In the past I've run quite a few events, but the most well attended events have been when there was larger prizes on the line. I realize this is probably due to the fact that we live in an area that "bigger is better" and people are more apt to be greedy enough to want the larger prizes. But let's face it, if you were wanting to make pokemon grow, wouldn't you try larger payoffs? I know when we have a large tournament, and invite lots of people, we make sure the prize support mirrors the interest we want to foster. A prize of one booster pack per person (as the total prize support) would be nowhere near enough.
GodTrainer
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well magic has like a gazillion events. So a normal torny where they give out one pack as the prize support isnst so bad, cause they have SOOO many upper teir torneys that they can wait and build up the antisiapation for those events, and then hand out the "big payoffs" We on the other hand DONT have that luxery. We have to make our player base grow, and one way of doing that is to make the torneys have big prize support. The pereleases are one of the only "higher level" that are accually being implemented by PUI right now. We need to give out good prizes when we can!
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