Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Non-Professor wins Professor Cup!

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The Pokemon community gets a lot of praise from the people in it for being the "best" out of all the TCGs (which is of course subject to bias, not capable of truly being measured, etc., but the fact that so many people believe it to be so is at least some indication of our collective "goodness"). I know there are plenty of great people involved with this game at one level or another. I also know that there are a lot of loathsome people involved as well, and this thread has allowed a few of them to make that very clear.

The truth is, there are a lot of people in this game who have extremely limited integrity, maturity, decency, [insert other desirable traits here]. Aydan is one of these people, as is anyone who in any way supports his actions ("keep the prizes bro! you're a hero! P!P is incompetent and thus you are not to blame!" etc.).

If you really think that what the guy did is "cool", or if you truly believe he "deserved" to be there and to keep the prizes that he won, or if you think that by fooling the staff, the egg is on their faces and he is thus clean as a whistle to do what he did, then you have a lot of growing up to do, just like the guy who started all of this commotion. Your views are basically sociopathic in nature, and before you raise a ruckus about my use of that word, consider what it actually means: of, relating to, or characterized by asocial or antisocial behavior or exhibiting antisocial personality disorder. Here's antisocial: 1: averse to the society of others : unsociable
2: hostile or harmful to organized society; especially : being or marked by behavior deviating sharply from the social norm.

By supporting the kind of deviant behavior displayed by Aydan, you undercut everything this game and community (or "society") stands for, and you betray your own sickness.

I also want to say that I saw the disgusting remarks made to Cecily by people like Tyler Z on 6P, and people like him have absolutely no place in this game. They're just mindless thugs with a keyboard and not much else.
 
Tbh, I'm not seeing the huge deal here.

I know, yada yada, he went into a tourney he wasnt eligible for, etc. but, I'll put myself in a similar scenario.

Say someone who is 15 walks into States (I'll say States because States and PRof Cup have sim sizes iirc), and enters in Seniors. If he wins, he makes off with $300 to go to Nationals (probably similar to the backpack + trophy) and some packs.

I, personally, would be a little mad, but I wouldn't mind too much.

Idk why this is a huge issue, but w/e.
 
Porii Sames said:
Tbh, I'm not seeing the huge deal here.

I know, yada yada, he went into a tourney he wasnt eligible for, etc. but, I'll put myself in a similar scenario.

Say someone who is 15 walks into States (I'll say States because States and PRof Cup have sim sizes iirc), and enters in Seniors. If he wins, he makes off with $300 to go to Nationals (probably similar to the backpack + trophy) and some packs.

I, personally, would be a little mad, but I wouldn't mind too much.

Idk why this is a huge issue, but w/e.
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No, he doesn't walk off with $300 to go to nats. He walks off, and gets banned from Pokemon organized play
 
Aron Figaro said:
He may have been an ineligible player, but he still beat everyone in a straight up game of Pokemon, by the same rules everyone else played by. He crashed an elitist party, and beat them at their own game. I understand both sides of the story, but honestly, anyone crying "I deserve to win because he was ineligible" really doesn't understand the spirit of the game either. Call the whole thing off and donate the prize to charity.
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I agree with all this.

I don't know why
a) anyone would want to buy a trophy off ebay
b) 2nd place wants 1st place trophy

To me, trophies don't mean squat unless you win them yourself.

...and seriously 3-2-3 Typhlosion?
 
It's not right what he did, but the responsibility of what happened should not be placed one person's shoulders. Yes he should have told them he wasn't a professor, and there were plenty of other opportunities for him to have admitted to it, but he could have kept quiet about it and kept all of his swag.
I don't think this calls for someone to be crucified before the Pokemon community. I understand it was stupid of him to do so, but he is clearly trying to make things right now. Do I think he deserves some form of punishment for his actions? Yes, I do.

I don't know if he understood the ramifications of what could happen to him by posting his report and what not. He still brought it to the attention of the Pokemon community, and for that I think he should not be punished as severely. What ever happened to having compassion for someone? If you were in a similar situation, would you want to be told repeatedly that you're worthless etc? I most certainly would not.
 
If you support someone who cheats to get into a game how can you complain about those who cheat in other ways? The players who stack their decks, the ones with weighted dice, the guys with marked sleeves, the ones who attach two energy in a turn when they think you aren’t looking. All of those are cheating ... just like what "AA" did. This event really does cut to the heart of the core values of the game.
 
SD PokéMom said:
so it's all fine, just as long as one doesn't get caught? really?

'mom =/
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I don't think that's what they are saying (I hope)

I think they are just trying to make the point that regardless of him being allowed/not allowed to play.

He played his games, he won. Him not being a professor didn't give him advantage / disadvantage he played to the same rules as everyone else, they were all FAIR games.

I agree with you, he should have never been able to enter in the first place.

Just trying to help shed some light on this :D?
 
cole said:
I don't think that's what they are saying (I hope)

I think they are just trying to make the point that regardless of him being allowed/not allowed to play.

He played his games, he won. Him not being a professor didn't give him advantage / disadvantage he played to the same rules as everyone else, they were all FAIR games.

I agree with you, he should have never been able to enter in the first place.

Just trying to help shed some light on this :D?
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Well, he did have an advantage. It's safe to assume that most professors don't have the same experience playtesting/etc. and playing in tournaments as they would be busy judging or running leagues/tournaments.
 
n00bmuffin said:
Well, he did have an advantage. It's safe to assume that most professors don't have the same experience playtesting/etc. and playing in tournaments as they would be busy judging or running leagues/tournaments.
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This is a dumb argument, I'm sorry, I'm not calling you dumb just stating my opinion here. Anyone could have play test for this event. He had never played with the deck before this tournament. What's your argument there?
 
P!P could take a page from the 1980 Rosie Ruiz/Boston Marathon incident and give Cecily an even bigger trophy than the one on eBay right now.
 
vanderbilt_grad said:
If you support someone who cheats to get into a game how can you complain about those who cheat in other ways? The players who stack their decks, the ones with weighted dice, the guys with marked sleeves, the ones who attach two energy in a turn when they think you aren’t looking. This event really does cut to the heart of the core values of the game.
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Cheating to win a game is very VERY different then cheating to ENTER a competition...

He still had to play the game like everyone else. The examples you give are much worse...

I know I know I know "cheating is cheating"

But personally, I would much rather play someone who has lied to enter a competition then someone who stacked their decks, used trick dice, double attached. I know it's all spirit of the game. But he "cheated" to enter, not while playing.
 
Porii Sames said:
Say someone who is 15 walks into States (I'll say States because States and PRof Cup have sim sizes iirc), and enters in Seniors. If he wins, he makes off with $300 to go to Nationals (probably similar to the backpack + trophy) and some packs.
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To me, it's not quite like that.

To me, it would be akin to a Master signing up for US Nationals as a Senior and winning the whole thing.

This is the one tournament out of the entire year that myself and many other Professors actually get to play in competitively. I almost never play in competitive tournaments anymore due to my Judging and Organizing and League obligations. When I do, it's usually because the TO in question didn't need an extra Judge for their tournament.

I treat the Professor Cup with the reverence normally afforded to US Nationals. Those that win the right way to me are placed on a similar level with US National Champions. And I don't just say this because I won it once. If you win this tournament, it proves that not only are you a good player, but also that you're a good person to have winning.

This year's tournament has tarnished that to me.

Its champion does not exist in my mind.

I am terribly disappointed in this character, to put it mildly. To be fair, some of my disappointment is towards those on Staff that allowed this to happen (and not for the Munchkin Crew, who I absolutely LOVE being around ^_^). But the vast majority of it goes towards the being that won.

As far as those that are celebrating its victory, or are engaging in the insane, deranged firestorm directed at Cecily, I have this to say to you.

You ought to be ashamed.

You ought to be crawling on the floor, begging for the mercy and the forgiveness of your Judges and Organizers for your behavior.

There is absolutely no reason to absolve this creature who lied his way into a tournament he had no reason being in.

There is even less reason to flame the person that he beat, especially given that she has been remarkably well-spoken and eloquent with her responses to this debacle.

As to the community as a whole, words cannot express how saddened I am both by how large this has blown up, as well as the extremity of the bulk of the responses have been. And this is from both sides of the aisle. Both those condemning and absolving this behavior.

And I am disappointed in myself for this post, to be quite honest. I am disappointed that my anger is beyond words. This is a tournament that I truly love to play in, to be a part of, for many, many reasons. The players. The rules. The prizes. The atmosphere. This is the single most fun tournament that I can possibly think of playing in all year. And knowing that the champion of said tournament is a fraud... My anger and disappointment are simply beyond words.
 
kd0220437 said:
This is a dumb argument, I'm sorry, I'm not calling you dumb just stating my opinion here. Anyone could have play test for this event. He had never played with the deck before this tournament. What's your argument there?
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Well, he obviously did possess an advantage -- he can play in whatever tournament he wants and playtest all he wants, while the majority of professors are judging/organizing/etc. His win can't really be considered legitimate, as the people he played against haven't (in theory) had as many opportunities to spend time playing competitively quite as much as he and us other players do.
 
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