Ancient Pokemon Trainer
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After worlds 07, seems like I'm gonna win AGAIN!
Official Ban Gardevoir for Worlds 2008 Discussion
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PkmnManiac
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Dude....not exactly something to go boasting about. Nohting is set in stone,...expecially when it comes to cards.
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after 2 seconds of reading those posts, I lol'd.
Then I came to this conclusion.
Get back on topic.
GG Decks have no set winnig streak.
Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added:
after 2 seconds of reading those posts, I lol'd.
Then I came to this conclusion.
Get back on topic.
GG Decks have no set winnig streak.
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PokeMontoya
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:frown:some form of GG will win worlds I just hope its mine but I need to grind in first :frown:
~`Flygon`~
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IF anything MagLeaf has the best chance since its worst matchup is Gardilade and thats 50/50.
RogueRunner
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The Other Perspective
Because you can't unprint the cards, the solution lies in modifying the cards themselves, not strictly in banning them. Telepass could be modified into something like "use only if you don't have any other gardevior in play". Psychic lock's effects should be modified to be on the current "game state", not on your opponent. This would allow the other player to use pokepowers by introducing the pokemon into the game from their hand. Powers would be allowed for that turn. Giving gallade less hp or make psychic cutt's energy cost
sychic::colorless:colorless:colorless instead of the sychic::colorless:colorless.
Keep gallade the same, heck give it 20 more hp, but don't have it be able to evolve from the same evolution line... honestly
Another issue is how the special energy cards (4 dre and 3 scramble) make the deck virtually unstoppable in the hands of a smart player. The deck has so many things it can do on it's own, it doesn't need the scrambled gallade with O.K.O. at it's disposal when it's behind. Or the turn 2 and 3 dre'd gallade for the oko virtually everything. T2 psylock is always easy to deal with. I could go on and on...
The bottom line is that banning an entire card or cards seems excessive and unreasonable. The printed versions of the cards should be modified to be less dominating. Other than that, enjoy a worlds filled with a craplaod of gardelade/leafmags/and empoleon techs.
Because you can't unprint the cards, the solution lies in modifying the cards themselves, not strictly in banning them. Telepass could be modified into something like "use only if you don't have any other gardevior in play". Psychic lock's effects should be modified to be on the current "game state", not on your opponent. This would allow the other player to use pokepowers by introducing the pokemon into the game from their hand. Powers would be allowed for that turn. Giving gallade less hp or make psychic cutt's energy cost
sychic::colorless:colorless:colorless instead of the sychic::colorless:colorless. Keep gallade the same, heck give it 20 more hp, but don't have it be able to evolve from the same evolution line... honestly
Another issue is how the special energy cards (4 dre and 3 scramble) make the deck virtually unstoppable in the hands of a smart player. The deck has so many things it can do on it's own, it doesn't need the scrambled gallade with O.K.O. at it's disposal when it's behind. Or the turn 2 and 3 dre'd gallade for the oko virtually everything. T2 psylock is always easy to deal with
. I could go on and on... The bottom line is that banning an entire card or cards seems excessive and unreasonable. The printed versions of the cards should be modified to be less dominating. Other than that, enjoy a worlds filled with a craplaod of gardelade/leafmags/and empoleon techs.
Banette EX
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Really,Double Rainbow or Scramble werent made for this format,thats why Gardy/Gallade gets so much power, Dobule Rainbow/Scramble was for the EX series since EX's were used more so than non EX pokemon,it was made for the non EX pokemon to at least stand a chance against a dominate EX format. DP-0n was probably supposed to come sooner,but since we arent on the same sets with Japan,making our format only DP and MT wouldve made for alot of unplayable decks and not enough cards to even form a format.
So they left HP to PK so we at least had supporters that could search for pokemon/energy/etc ,if we were to just go DP-0n from the jump,we wouldnt even have Gardy/Gallade being a powerhouse like it is,since decks wouldve been like they were in the beginning with Base/Jungle but they at least had Poke Breeder/Prof Oaks/Computer Search/Poke Trader/Lass and such.
Thats just what I think.
So they left HP to PK so we at least had supporters that could search for pokemon/energy/etc ,if we were to just go DP-0n from the jump,we wouldnt even have Gardy/Gallade being a powerhouse like it is,since decks wouldve been like they were in the beginning with Base/Jungle but they at least had Poke Breeder/Prof Oaks/Computer Search/Poke Trader/Lass and such.
Thats just what I think.
darkmelonboy19
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if no one can beat it then it deserves to be the best deck
im afraid of the dark
im afraid of the dark
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Red Haired Shanks
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People, GG is not going to take the whole competition, and seriously, it's not the best deck made. People from all different countries will outspeed it or 1-Hit K-O it, Magmortar can even beat it. I don't get it with people, this game is about luck too. Of course we will see it in the top 4 but not #1.
~Norman
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Umbreon777
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I really realllllyyyyyyyy hope that you're right. I honestly do.
yoyofsho16
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Yet it won US Nationals...
I love that quote, one of my favorite PokeGym quotes ever, in the "empoleon vs. plox" thread a couple weeks before nats. of people predicting what would be more likely to win.
Well, look at that. It is still BDIF. Shanks, I see your post in similiarity to that post. Worlds is going to be overtaken by GG and PLox.
Red Haired Shanks
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Well, We will all have to wait and see how it does. We will never know until it comes in the champions booklet.
~Norman
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yoyofsho16
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Actually, considering we all use PokeGym and a lot of us will be at Worlds, we will know several months before that...
Cyrus
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Here's some food for thought. Take it for what it's worth:
Usually I wrap up big periods of testing with large single-elimination bracket tournaments, either kept track of on bracketmaker.com...or simply microsoft word.
Since being able to consistently beat GG while holding your own with the format is what every player hopes for, I included numerous things: various GG's, blatantly anti-gg decks, standard archetypes such as magleaf/empoleon, bizarre rogues from the far reaches of the universe, and even old decks that have failed the test of time, such as blissvire and kricketune (you may recognize those names from battle roads).
So, what exactly did I do? I made a 64-deck bracket, best two of three (unlimited time), with every matchup played by me. I tried my hardest to play every matchup double-blind (i.e. I pretended to have no specific knowledge when playing turns with each list, so I just played like I would versus an unknown opponent).
...And what were my results? Well, let's just say that they alarmingly mirrored not only nationals, but several comments on this board - especially Tego's prediction about worlds maybe having diversity in only "the first round or two of top cut [paraphrase]."
[NOTE: I had a severe underrepresentation of Magleaf and Torterra. I had only two Magleaf in my 64 deck tournament, and only one torterra...but...That doesn't seem too different from nationals I guess)
Top Sixtten, Cyrus' playtesting tournament (no order):
(side note #2: all of these decks, to make T16, had to best at least two other decks in best of three...As you'll be able to guess, some of the top sixteen had some cakewalk matches, and others...not so much)
6 Gardelade variants
3 Magmortar variants
2 Empoleon variants
3 Banette (Post-MD Arithmetic, Bancario)
1 Eeveelution
1 Blissvire
1 Kricketune
Now...Watch for the drastic change!
Elite Eight
3 Gardelade variants (two plox, one Furret)
2 Empoleon variants (one empostar, one empozong)
2 Magmortar variants (one magsol, one magphlosion)
1 Banette (arithmetic)
Better yet...Wait 'til you see this change!
Final Four
3 Gardelade variants
1 Empoleon variant
And of course...
Finals:
Plox beats GGF in two games
Plox beats Empoleon for third.
So yeah, what Tego seemed to predict for worlds came to pass in my testing tourney: lots of variety early on, but that variety was quickly squashed by "the field."
Usually I wrap up big periods of testing with large single-elimination bracket tournaments, either kept track of on bracketmaker.com...or simply microsoft word.
Since being able to consistently beat GG while holding your own with the format is what every player hopes for, I included numerous things: various GG's, blatantly anti-gg decks, standard archetypes such as magleaf/empoleon, bizarre rogues from the far reaches of the universe, and even old decks that have failed the test of time, such as blissvire and kricketune (you may recognize those names from battle roads).
So, what exactly did I do? I made a 64-deck bracket, best two of three (unlimited time), with every matchup played by me. I tried my hardest to play every matchup double-blind (i.e. I pretended to have no specific knowledge when playing turns with each list, so I just played like I would versus an unknown opponent).
...And what were my results? Well, let's just say that they alarmingly mirrored not only nationals, but several comments on this board - especially Tego's prediction about worlds maybe having diversity in only "the first round or two of top cut [paraphrase]."
[NOTE: I had a severe underrepresentation of Magleaf and Torterra. I had only two Magleaf in my 64 deck tournament, and only one torterra...but...That doesn't seem too different from nationals I guess)
Top Sixtten, Cyrus' playtesting tournament (no order):
(side note #2: all of these decks, to make T16, had to best at least two other decks in best of three...As you'll be able to guess, some of the top sixteen had some cakewalk matches, and others...not so much)
6 Gardelade variants
3 Magmortar variants
2 Empoleon variants
3 Banette (Post-MD Arithmetic, Bancario)
1 Eeveelution
1 Blissvire
1 Kricketune
Now...Watch for the drastic change!
Elite Eight
3 Gardelade variants (two plox, one Furret)
2 Empoleon variants (one empostar, one empozong)
2 Magmortar variants (one magsol, one magphlosion)
1 Banette (arithmetic)
Better yet...Wait 'til you see this change!
Final Four
3 Gardelade variants
1 Empoleon variant
And of course...
Finals:
Plox beats GGF in two games
Plox beats Empoleon for third.
So yeah, what Tego seemed to predict for worlds came to pass in my testing tourney: lots of variety early on, but that variety was quickly squashed by "the field."
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Umbreon777
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Im baffled as to how Kricketune got to T16.
But seriously, that was an interesting idea John. Although to make it more solid, you might have to do the T64 bracket multiple times and see what the outcome is then. Theres always a chance PLOX has some crap draw to a Jirachi EX start, etc. etc.
If PLOX wins Worlds, I will be severly dissapointed. In which case expect me to be very soon.
But seriously, that was an interesting idea John. Although to make it more solid, you might have to do the T64 bracket multiple times and see what the outcome is then. Theres always a chance PLOX has some crap draw to a Jirachi EX start, etc. etc.
If PLOX wins Worlds, I will be severly dissapointed. In which case expect me to be very soon.
Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
All points are valid, especially the one about redoing the experiment multiple times. In this context, though, it was more of a way to top off all the testing I've done for the past month.
yoyofsho16
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Wait, how many people participated in the tournament you are talking about above?
Umbreon777
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Just himself. Which is another thing. No matter how much you try to pretend you dont know what you have in your other hand, you do. Solitare games are always slightly different than real ones.
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