Pachirisu the Great

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by Muscovy Level X, Mar 31, 2008.

  1. Muscovy Level X

    Muscovy Level X New Member

    Pachirisu is currently the best opening Pokemon in the format. It works with many other combos and strategies. A favorite of everyone, lets look in depth at the uses and scenarios of Pachirisu.

    What gets everyone to use Pachi is call for family. Call for family lets you search for 3 basic Pokemon and play them. Call for family has several direct uses verses using some other attack turn one. It can work with other cards, pachi getting the Pokemon out, then sending up some other card (eg. Stanler, Furret, ect.).
    What makes it better than using a Pokemon's attack that gets you a holon mentor? It's done that turn, so you can evolve them next turn, and it prevents trainer cards being piled up in your hand. That can be a BIG problem if your opponent uses Absol, which are becoming common. It works so well because you can determine your next move, unlike if you got stuck in the Stanler-Absol scenario.

    Smash short is the icing on the cake. It does 10 damage for :colorless, but the effect is what makes it golden. If the defending Pokemon has a Pokemon tool attached, the attack does 3O more damage, discard the Pokemon tool, and your opponent must discard all other copies of that card located in their hand! This rips apart cessation crystal decks. As we all know, cessation crystal is a major blow against a :ppowr: based deck. Therefore, :ppowr decks should idealy run Pachis as openers.

    At 70 HP, with a 20+ :fighting: weakness, and 20- :metal: resistance, it has good status. A retreat cost of one is useful also, because in any normal scenario it should be switched turn 2, or sometimes turn 3. The one big danger to Pachirisu users is Riolu and Lucario, because they are :fighting: types, and attack for low energy costs. That's pretty much the only card that counters Pachi, since nothing else can really take it out turn 2, unless the defending Pokemon is loaded with PlusPowers.

    Here's how to use Pachirisu well: One trick is to have at least one other Pokemon that can take over for Pachi and search/draw, or have a Claydol engine ready to take over. Unless they've got Pokemon tools, you want to get something better in active once the bench is full. Let's face it, against just any Pokemon, smash short is pretty useless.
     
  2. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    Gota love Pachirisu.

    Single best starter since Castform.
     
  3. Scipio

    Scipio New Member

    Would've been Lapras if only he didn't have that :water: energy cost...
     
  4. Muscovy Level X

    Muscovy Level X New Member

    Wat's great is it's just so versitle. You can only have one of some other Pokemon, and know you should get it out, like Pachi-Stanler. Personaly I think Stanler is second best, but is a huge drag if you face Absol, and Pachi's call for family is instant.
     
  5. rhodesia123

    rhodesia123 New Member

    :lol: so you were finally convinced
     
  6. KAZUTO!!!

    KAZUTO!!! New Member

    First you said that Pachi was bad, and that if anyone still liked it you would scream. Then you slowly realized how good it was, and now you started a thread called "Pachirisu the Great."

    Anyway, just wanted to fix something...

    Absol's pretty much dead. It used to be considered broken, before GE was released. Since then, Claydol has all but killed it off. Some rare rogue decks MIGHT play it, but Absol, really, is dead. It's not becoming more common to see Absol, it's becoming less.

    Lapras could rival Pachi, but Lapras has the same problem as Stantler - it's a turn slower. One turn your opponent has to Evolve, set up, and donk you. With Pachi, it's almost impossible to be donked, as you'll usually have a Bench of 3+ cards. So, even if the Water Energy was Colorless, I think it would only be used as a backup, that you get with Pachi, Retreat, and set up like crazy.
     
  7. Muscovy Level X

    Muscovy Level X New Member

    Once I finaly relise how great Paci is, everyone starts acting like I did. :confused:
     
  8. Sunscorch

    Sunscorch New Member

    Not so much =P

    Imho, each starter has their advantages, and situations where they're better than the others.
    Pachi just happens to be a lot more versatile than others.

    No need to go bonkers over him, though :eek:
     
  9. XYZ_Sniper

    XYZ_Sniper New Member

    ya hes like a dunsparce!!! but he has a better 2nd attack but i mean there can be better starters all depends on the deck
     
  10. V_For_Vendetta

    V_For_Vendetta New Member

    Dunsparce was better when he was released, actually.
    Pacharisu is awesome, I agree.
     
  11. Chu51595

    Chu51595 New Member

    Meh, he is useless after T2 though, and it's also useless in GG, so it's not that great, seriously man.

    Filling the bench up with poke's is nice, but apart from that you need to rely on topdecking for the Celio's/Bebe's/S1/S2 Pokemon that you really need. Filling up your bench with basics is useless when the opponent gets out a big monster T2/T3 and kills everything, or at least 1-2 Pokemon to gain a quick lead.

    Everything settled, it's great, but it's purposes are limited. I'd say Stantler/Furret is (obviously) a better choice for GG and for decks which rely on one main line, but it works great for decks with 2-3 big lines like Magmortar(runs Mag, Typ/Blaze and Catty/Clay). Obviously, Lapras is godly, but only in water decks. I would run Pachi IMO, but only in Magmortar or maybe my experimental decks.

    Oh yeah, I forgot, Pachi sucks in Eeveelutions decks.
     
  12. Muscovy Level X

    Muscovy Level X New Member

    What works good about it is you can grab a Pokemon for T2. But I agree, it's best Pokemon to use epends with the deck.
     
  13. skarmory777

    skarmory777 New Member

    more like since dunsparce. but hey cleffa still rules all.
     
  14. V_For_Vendetta

    V_For_Vendetta New Member

    You funny.
     
  15. charchar

    charchar New Member

    How does pachi stink in eevee evolution decks?
     
  16. empoleonperson

    empoleonperson Active Member

    b/c eevee lets you get as many eevees as you want and put them onto your bench.
     
  17. V_For_Vendetta

    V_For_Vendetta New Member

    Because you can grab cards and setup without having any other pokemon other than eevee?
    Pacharisu, grab Eevee, Eevee, and Baltoy. With 4 Pacharisu and 4 Eevee, it is next to impossible for you to be caught off guard with no other basics.
     
  18. yoyofsho16

    yoyofsho16 New Member

    The problem here is that cassation crystal decks almost always run 4 of them. if it really is a good starter because of this, it doesnt help the start. when you have all your good pokemon with :ppowr:s and :pbody:s out, and they flip out a cessation crystal, your pachi will be awfully hard to get out and then regain control with retreat costs and all on your stronger ones. in a darkrai deck w/ moonlight stadium, thats fine. but in general, not as good as some other starters (furret, stantler, etc.)
     
  19. V_For_Vendetta

    V_For_Vendetta New Member

    So, your reasoning is that Pacharisu is not as good as Furret or Stantler because if your opponent gets a CC out against you you need to retreat to him in order to deal with it, as opposed to Stantler or Furret, who can do nothing against it at all?
    ...
    ...OK, have fun.
     
  20. Chu51595

    Chu51595 New Member

    The point of this? You can get Eevee almost any other way, it's like the same in GG. Grab 3 Eevee/Ralts...whats the point? You can pick up Eevees/Ralts through mentor/Roseanne's, and then use your starter to pick up more useful cards, like Gardy/Lade or the Eeveelutions through Stantler/Furret. I would use Pachi(don't have enough yet) in my Magmortar/Typhlosion/Claydol deck because it runs 3 different lines and therefore Roseanne's/Mentor wouldn't work so well in it, but where you run pretty much the same line, you don't want to use Pachi and grab 3 of the same basics when there are other ways and more beneficial starters to the deck. Why do you think people use Furret in GG?
     

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