Poisonous Liability~!

[Kaitos]

Hiya,

1 more experiment deck. This time, a variation of Burning Liability and Acid liability. I call this, Poisonous liability. This will be a new variation, and a very powerful one too.

Now, The decklist:

Pokemon : 20
Koffing x3
Weezing x3
Pidgey x2
Pidgeotto x1
Pidgeot x2
Oddish x3(HL)
Gloom d x2
Vileplume d x3
Bellosom HL x1

Trainers : 25
Rare Candy x4
Celio's Network x4
Stevens Advice x3
Copycat x2
Rocket's Admin x2
Warp Point x1
Energy Root x2
ATM Rock x1
Desert Ruins x3
Cursed Stone x1
Pokemon Retriever x2

Energies: 15
Metal energy x4
Psychic x5
Double Rainbow x4
Cyclone energy x2

Okay...Now, strategy.
First, look at Vileplume d.

(from Pokebeach)
Okay, Now we concentrate on the Poke-Power first. It let's you flip a coin, if heads your opponent is Poisoned. The best thing is, you don't need to be active to use this power. Also, you can use multiple times if you have 2-3 Vileplume in play. Now, what's Poison have to do with Liability?

Look at Weezing:

The attack Liability knocks out Weezing to make the defending Pokemon have 10 hp left. when the defending Pokemon is Poisoned, and have 10 hp left, it will be knocked out between turns. With Energy Root, Weezing will not only be alive, but KO's the defending Pokemon.

Now, How does this deck better than Acid or Burning?
-Don't need to be active to KO your opponent's Pokemon.
-Needs only 2 energies to attack, Poltergeist can do big damage.
-Vileplume d is Metal. Metal type really helps a lot to survive.

What's the downside of this deck:
-Needs a little bit of luck
-Vileplume d has 90 HP...Very low.
-Can be blocked by Battle Frontier.
-Can also be blocked by Medicham, as it is a Poke-Power.

That's all...Please comment all you want.

cya.

 

[Blaziken 1111]

just use dark crobat because you don't have to flip to poison.

 

[blackanese]

yes i agree its too much based on taking chances as well as that i never liked flipping since i always get tails lol

 

[Blaziken 1111]

Take out the cursed stone it's bad in this deck because you have 2 pokemon that have poke powers.

 

[Umbreon777]

For everybody who suggests Dark Crobat, NO!!! As co-founder of team liability, I think DArk Crobat is bad. It has to be active, and then you have to retreat. Thats why Vileplume is so awesome. It can be on the bench with an active Weezing. Not to mention you can flip multiple times. This is a liability deck that will go to the top. Bravo, Kaitos. Bravo.

 

[jkwarrior]

Yep, this deck was just waiting to be made.

I think I might dab in it as well

 

[Papi/Manny]

No way, crobat is far superior to vileplume. I would rather have a dark crobat and a crobat ex over 2 vileplume (to give you much better odds). With crobat, it also opens the option of triple posion crobat (very nasty) and delta crobat (non-ex manetric), both very playable. Also, no tech vileplume ex? Very nice card to have early game...Nice deck build, but no clue why stone is in there...

 

[ixidor89]

blah

If you want to run liability, go either with Victreebell or Typhlosion. They will always get the extra ten damage in.

So much more reliable.

 

[jkwarrior]

If you want to run liability, go either with Victreebell or Typhlosion. They will always get the extra ten damage in.

So much more reliable.

Help the deck that he has. Don't tell him to build a completely different deck...

I think this deck could work pretty well

 

[Kaitos]

Hiya,

Thank you for your replies, but firsly, I want to explain...As I said on the first sentence on this topic, this is an experiment deck. This is a variation of liability...An original one. People has forgot about originality and that's why there's posts like ixidor89 posted. I'm trying to create new combos, so more varieties of deck could be used.

And...Cursed Stone is more useful thatn you thought. Before this, I ran Burning, and when Typhlosion never come out, I just take out Weezing, Root, And Cursed Stone to OHKO a lone Cascoon.

Hope you understand,
cya.

 

[Simpson_Fan]

Insane... I was thinking of this while I washed our bathroom xD Anyways, the list looks solid, but the way I would play it is with Sitrus Berry and Low Pressure System. Good luck!

Don't understand why people says you should run Victreebell, Thyploshion or Dark Crobat instead. As you said, it's about originality ^^

 

[Umbreon777]

I still love this deck. And there IS Vileplume EX tech. If you run out of Weezing and you use Vileplume EX you can prevent all non-supporter trainers from being played. Then you bring out Vileplume d and do more damage with poltergeist.

Crobat = no
Vileplume = yes

And I do believe that the deck should be named Pollen-Liability

 

[ixidor89]

Hiya,

Thank you for your replies, but firsly, I want to explain...As I said on the first sentence on this topic, this is an experiment deck. This is a variation of liability...An original one. People has forgot about originality and that's why there's posts like ixidor89 posted. I'm trying to create new combos, so more varieties of deck could be used.

And...Cursed Stone is more useful thatn you thought. Before this, I ran Burning, and when Typhlosion never come out, I just take out Weezing, Root, And Cursed Stone to OHKO a lone Cascoon.

Hope you understand,
cya.

Yes, and I'm telling you that a Liability deck based off of a coin flip won't work because it relies on a coin flip. I have not forgotten originality, I have forgotten relying on tails fails stratagies.

Try running four of both cursed stone and desert ruins. That way you will be able to blow most things up. I'm still in favor of replacing the vileplume line because its flimsy.

 

[Umbreon777]

Vileplume is NOT flimsy. it may seem like it but seriously. pretend you have a 2 Vileplumes on the bench. Flip 2 coins. One of them is BOUND to be heads.

 

[Kempley05]

Vileplume is NOT flimsy. it may seem like it but seriously. pretend you have a 2 Vileplumes on the bench. Flip 2 coins. One of them is BOUND to be heads.

Well its not exactly bound to do that, its 75%, heres the odds that at least one is heads.

1 Vilepume 50%
2 Vilepume 75%
3 Vilepume 87.5%
4 Vilepume 93.75 %

Realisticaly 3 Vilepume in play should gety the KO, I think a 4-3-4 line is the right play here

 

[Umbreon777]

Well its not exactly bound to do that, its 75%, heres the odds that at least one is heads.

1 Vilepume 50%
2 Vilepume 75%
3 Vilepume 87.5%
4 Vilepume 93.75 %

Realisticaly 3 Vilepume in play should gety the KO, I think a 4-3-4 line is the right play here

Im going to run a 3-2-3 line. 87.5% is good enough for me. :thumb:

 

[ixidor89]

So you would rather run an evolution line that makes the likeliness of getting off the liability kill less than it would be with a typhlosion or victreebell line? Not to mention that vileplume wont be able to get Steelix EX and that Vileplume's attacks stink.

Here's an idea: Let's look at each major archetype and find a way to make it less consistant. You've already got one archetype down, why not go for all of them?

 

[Kaitos]

Hiya,

Ixidor, for the last time, it is a variation. People can use it if they want. And, if they take out Steelix, just put down a Ruins. Problem solved. what? No Ruins? Wait then. There's no LBS deck that I know that play Super Scoop Up. They can Metal charge Steelix and kill himself, or just Snipe a Vileplume that won't die because there's a metal on it. Also...Another thing good about using Vileplume is, you have the ability to stop Poke-Powers. Cyclone Energy that Pokemon and get a heads.

And..I did this thing with LBS already. =D

cya.

 

[ixidor89]

Hiya,

Ixidor, for the last time, it is a variation. People can use it if they want. And, if they take out Steelix, just put down a Ruins. Problem solved. what? No Ruins? Wait then. There's no LBS deck that I know that play Super Scoop Up. They can Metal charge Steelix and kill himself, or just Snipe a Vileplume that won't die because there's a metal on it. Also...Another thing good about using Vileplume is, you have the ability to stop Poke-Powers. Cyclone Energy that Pokemon and get a heads.

And..I did this thing with LBS already. =D

cya.

When making a variation to a deck, you try to change something in to the deck that will make the deck more consistent. However, this variation is inherently less consistant because its main kill mechanism will often rely on a coin flip.

Go back to square one and find a more consistant variation.

I am an advocate for originality, but I do ask that people make their decks reasonably rather than for the sake of originality.

 

[Umbreon777]

I agree with what your saying idixor, but the probability of heads on a coin flip is high. And clearly it is not an attacker compared to Typhlosion. (I run burning-liability currently) But Vileplume can just be overlooked it is a good card, and it techs with Vileplume EX. Sure you cant stop Steelix EX but desert ruins can. Its not that big of a deal. The only other things that stop this deck is holon GL and WP & any thick-skinned pokemon. Which nobody uses. So you can make your decks, and everybody else can make theirs. Maybe they werent planning on using it in tournaments in the first place.