TavishReppinUtah
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It's JUST as luck based as pokemon. In pokemon you don't even have 2/3 matches and side decks so if you get a bad hand you're screwed and if you play your weakness you lose.
Pokemon should start a PRO TOUR
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It's JUST as luck based as pokemon. In pokemon you don't even have 2/3 matches and side decks so if you get a bad hand you're screwed and if you play your weakness you lose.
I disagree with this. Why do you think that Magic PTQs cost $30 a person for constructed format? Its not to make money (well it is, but not completely), it's mostly to afford to pay the "pro" Magic players $100-$1000 (ranking dependant) per person per tourney to tour, plus the scholarships and prize support, which while "better" than POP prizes, is still not free prizes. I personally like the free tournaments. Makes it easier for everyone to play.
Not true, in Pokemon you have access to your deck. In YGO you BARELY have access to it. I can't tell you how many YGO games I've played where it was the first player to topdeck wins. I can say one thing though, it is A LOT less than in Pokemon. Game is not solid or balanced it is FAIL! The only thing that keeps people playing it are the value of cards. I mean come on you go 10-1 at a regional and get your invite to nats, and a playmat. LOL THATS NOT KEEPING PEOPLE IN THE GAME! Its the playing for cards and then reselling them to vendors/ebay. Game is nothing but SHADY!
TavishReppinUtah
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I agree. I don't play yugioh anymore because of the price of the game and how it's corrupt. I play pokemon beacause it's always been fairly easy for me to win.
Pokemon really is a game where you wont know if you are any good at until you play in a lot of events. Its not about winning states or regionals once and then failing every other tournament you play in. You must play in a lot of events in an attempt to eliminate variance. The same can be said for YGO, but the thing about it is that there just are TOO many variables. If anyone is posting amazing consistent results at regionals/shonens (especially in my region) there is a high chance that person is a cheat.
TavishReppinUtah
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It yugioh, yes. Pokemon it's easier to be consistent.
Kibble N Bits
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dude, i would totally be down with a pro tour, or at least more big tournoments, in pokemon the average player only gets 3/4 big tournoments - 1/2 states a regionals and nationals, i love huge tournoments over small tournoments and pro tour qualifers would be so sweet. you dont have to make the prizes huge either, just use the same prize structure as states so if keeps down the throngs of hardcore cheaters that are going to magicly appear over night if there is a big prize, and POP doesnt have to dig too far into thier pockets
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ApachePrime
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I think the GA Marathon kind of hits this niche. A lot of top named players show up.
I was with you until you had to go throw out that most Professors are terrible at this game. Go play some Professors at Nats. My first suggestion would be Lawman, although he's probably judging. The guy plays 2-3 tournaments a year and still manages to Top Cut in GA. I can only speak to the Florida Professors, but the list here is cream of the crop. As Professors we give up the chance to play, to make the event the best possible, for your benefit. Show some respect for the people that make it possible for you to even sit at a table and complain about Organized Play.
Also, posting this thread with a signature like that completely negates all credibility of your post. Obviously, you thought out all of this well in advance. I would love another event to car pool my crew to, but if the "Pros" are people like you, I'd rather you played MTG or a "real" game like YGO. The people I would call "Pros" here in FL represent this game with pride and respect, something you seem to lack. Please, if all you want is better prizes and more at stake to win, go play a different game. Pokemon might not be for you.
I'd rather you improved your outlook on the game, however. Read up on Spirit of the Game, and the Professor Core Values. Here's a real shocker: Most Professors are better players because we have to know how the game works inside and out. You might find that knowing the compendium and how cards interact will make it easier to improve your decks, and see better outs for every situation.
I was with you until you had to go throw out that most Professors are terrible at this game. Go play some Professors at Nats. My first suggestion would be Lawman, although he's probably judging. The guy plays 2-3 tournaments a year and still manages to Top Cut in GA. I can only speak to the Florida Professors, but the list here is cream of the crop. As Professors we give up the chance to play, to make the event the best possible, for your benefit. Show some respect for the people that make it possible for you to even sit at a table and complain about Organized Play.
Also, posting this thread with a signature like that completely negates all credibility of your post. Obviously, you thought out all of this well in advance. I would love another event to car pool my crew to, but if the "Pros" are people like you, I'd rather you played MTG or a "real" game like YGO. The people I would call "Pros" here in FL represent this game with pride and respect, something you seem to lack. Please, if all you want is better prizes and more at stake to win, go play a different game. Pokemon might not be for you.
I'd rather you improved your outlook on the game, however. Read up on Spirit of the Game, and the Professor Core Values. Here's a real shocker: Most Professors are better players because we have to know how the game works inside and out. You might find that knowing the compendium and how cards interact will make it easier to improve your decks, and see better outs for every situation.
Kayle
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Did you join this forum for anything other than this topic? If you're going to try to change a well-established franchise, maybe you should learn a little more about it first, and get a good feel for why people who play it, play it. Your membership IS two years old, but if you're throwing out comments like "You're a professor, you're most likely terrible at the game" leads me to believe you have no idea what you are talking about, whatsoever.
Kibble N Bits
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:lol: because your skill as a player is directly proportional to the amount of time spent on pokegym :lol:
OP, The prize is the game.
TavishReppinUtah
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I'm glad to see you're on my side. lol Do I know you?
nnaann
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In an ideal World, most people would like a Pro tour but OP has a budget and it's just not viable. You need to be realistic and realise that they isn't and won't be the top priority. You need to answer the problems put forward. If you can tackle those problems and make it work, then people will listen to your idea.
DarthPika
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Ya, OP has a budget and it's not viable. That so totally explains why they decided to put worlds in a location where half the players can't afford it. You can't seriously tell me that money is an issue when deciding US nats location when you put worlds in Hawaii. There's no way in the world that that's a cheep location. Heck with budget. They just don't want to give up their nice payed vacations to exotic locations every year. :/
I think a pro tour sounds awesome. You know, something on a smaller scale than worlds that's a little easier to get into.
I think a pro tour sounds awesome. You know, something on a smaller scale than worlds that's a little easier to get into.
jeff hardy TNA
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no way that would add more older players that just buy wins
nnaann
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That sounds like exactly what you would want from the OP budget, but not for most people if other things are cut.
Exotic locations every year? Hawaii isn't every year, and if you're counting Florida and San Diego in this then you complain about those as well? Hawaii is good advertising. When I tell people that the winner of Nationals gets a paid trip to Hawaii, it always amazes them and makes them more likely to go to tournaments.
I do sometimes agree with your posts, but it's pretty depressing when everything is so centered around you and so negative to others. Giving out Claydols and Uxies at league benefits practically everyone, but you were still negative about it because you were one of the few people who doesn't have a league near them. Try to focus on some positives, I disagree with POP on some things they do but they do listen to players ( Claydols and Uxies ) and aren't stubborn enough to not change a desicion if people don't like it ( JPN rule ). They have an incredible growth every year, so they must be doing something right.
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Kibble N Bits
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nope, well maybe, you might have seen me at nationals but like i havent talked to you in real life, and i live in Virginia so i doubt that ive ever played you
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Debates responding to this topic...
...gah, I gotta.
First off, please actually start posting ideas and not two-three line comments. Beyond your first post, you've not psoted anything of substance in the topic other than to bash Professors (which, sorry, a lot of us still play and Top Cut when we do) and post "Dude, glad you support me" and not say exactly why they support you.
Which is to say that your entire topic is built around teh idea of a Pro Tour. OK, hot shot, couple logistical ideas:
How are people getting there?
Where's the money coming from to get them there?
What's your ideal prize payout?
Who is authorized to run PTQs and how many?
How are you staffing for/paying for the staffing for this event?
Will there be other invites based on ranking?
When's the cut-off date for ranking checks?
Will there be byes involved for top qualifiers?
etc., etc., etc.
Honestly, all you've got right now is a great idea, and no comments on how to implement it. If you look at the M:tG Pro Tour model, that thing is hella complex. Not only do they run pro events,but also Grand Prixs, Regionals, The 2009s (even though those were organizer run this year, they were WotC's in the past), and many other high-level events. Their invite system is complex outside of PTQ-ing in as well, esp. when it comes to byes in large events which are HIGHLY coveted at the pro level when major money and points are on the line.
So, I'd really like to see your ideas on how this thing actually gets to work and how large you think it should be. Are we talking Regionals-sized events or Worlds-sized events? Cost/prizes/add-ons?
TBH, I don't think that PUI will ever set up a Pro Tour. As long as they keep their OP budget where it is (which they have and will for the foreseeable future), there just isn't room for it right now.
I'll post more later, but these are my initial thoughts...
~Cardz.
...gah, I gotta.
First off, please actually start posting ideas and not two-three line comments. Beyond your first post, you've not psoted anything of substance in the topic other than to bash Professors (which, sorry, a lot of us still play and Top Cut when we do) and post "Dude, glad you support me" and not say exactly why they support you.
Which is to say that your entire topic is built around teh idea of a Pro Tour. OK, hot shot, couple logistical ideas:
How are people getting there?
Where's the money coming from to get them there?
What's your ideal prize payout?
Who is authorized to run PTQs and how many?
How are you staffing for/paying for the staffing for this event?
Will there be other invites based on ranking?
When's the cut-off date for ranking checks?
Will there be byes involved for top qualifiers?
etc., etc., etc.
Honestly, all you've got right now is a great idea, and no comments on how to implement it. If you look at the M:tG Pro Tour model, that thing is hella complex. Not only do they run pro events,but also Grand Prixs, Regionals, The 2009s (even though those were organizer run this year, they were WotC's in the past), and many other high-level events. Their invite system is complex outside of PTQ-ing in as well, esp. when it comes to byes in large events which are HIGHLY coveted at the pro level when major money and points are on the line.
So, I'd really like to see your ideas on how this thing actually gets to work and how large you think it should be. Are we talking Regionals-sized events or Worlds-sized events? Cost/prizes/add-ons?
TBH, I don't think that PUI will ever set up a Pro Tour. As long as they keep their OP budget where it is (which they have and will for the foreseeable future), there just isn't room for it right now.
I'll post more later, but these are my initial thoughts...
~Cardz.
KrazyKevin 1121
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well i am all for more tournaments for sure, i don't like having 2- 4 tournaments where u can win something that's worth while like travel and vacation and fun. The other tournaments are not really worth playing if you actually want to get to a big tournament like worlds. All Battle roads and cities do is give people a card that is not very usable and a medal that used to be pretty cool but now its not even worth saying you actually won anything. For the players trying to go to hawaii, and the nice tournaments battle roads and cities are just a GIANT loss of points so if you think about it theres only like 4 tournaments that give you something good. I dont want to argue but i do believe we should have more tournaments
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Articjedi
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I'd want to say that tavish is obviously trolling, but that goes against the rules. It's pretty obvious he has no plan other than "make a pro tour" without considering the costs, the potential profit for nintendo to do so considering their target market, the pr fr the game overall.
Basically I want to see some hard numbers to see if it's even possible. You're advocating allocating a larger amount of resources to a larger group of people, while maintaining some sort of exclusivity. We're talking exclusive tournaments in an area where you need several smaller tournaments to qualify, while allowing a select few to attend for free (out of nintendo's pocket of course). PT tournaments will probably have massive attendence to maintain any sense of scale, with bigger prizes for those winning. Yah, I'm sure this is really feasible considering Nintendo's OP budget probably gets cut every year.
I would love to have this, but there's no way to do so until pokemon players have the same prestiege and ability to draw new players as magic players. A pro tour needs to somehow justify a profit for nintendo, and for wizards it's a big advertisement with players who have star power, we don't have it yet.
Basically I want to see some hard numbers to see if it's even possible. You're advocating allocating a larger amount of resources to a larger group of people, while maintaining some sort of exclusivity. We're talking exclusive tournaments in an area where you need several smaller tournaments to qualify, while allowing a select few to attend for free (out of nintendo's pocket of course). PT tournaments will probably have massive attendence to maintain any sense of scale, with bigger prizes for those winning. Yah, I'm sure this is really feasible considering Nintendo's OP budget probably gets cut every year.
I would love to have this, but there's no way to do so until pokemon players have the same prestiege and ability to draw new players as magic players. A pro tour needs to somehow justify a profit for nintendo, and for wizards it's a big advertisement with players who have star power, we don't have it yet.
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