Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Pokemon VGC forum(s) added to Poke Gym?

If we are going to have a Video Game Pokemon forum here, the only metagames we should have are VGC ones. We don't have subforums or discussion about non official Trading Card Game metas do we ?

None of these tier lists for singles, This is a site to attract people who want to play in TPCi events. No need to confuse them with other metas with banned pokemon different than what the VGC allows, right?
 
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RB Golbat said:
If we are going to have a Video Game Pokemon forum here, the only metagames we should have are VGC ones. We don't have subforums or discussion about non official Trading Card Game metas do we ?

None of these tier lists for singles, this is a site to attract people who want to play in TPCi events, no need to confuse them with other metas with banned pokemon different than what the VGC allows?
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I'm going to have to agree with RBG on this. This new forum should start off small and just be dedicated to the VGC. From there you can add on a trade thread, and a battle me thread. These would just be the building blocks. If there is more interest you can add other sections where needed. Having a VGC forum alone would be helpful just for coordinating TPCI held events. I remember having to scope out the regional's TCG forum on here just to relay information on to the "site that shall not be named" since the video game community was clueless and we had no information where events were being held. If a VGC forum is to be created, at least the flow of information would be in the right place (and not in the tcg forum lol)
 
RB Golbat said:
If we are going to have a Video Game Pokemon forum here, the only metagames we should have are VGC ones. We don't have subforums or discussion about non official Trading Card Game metas do we ?

None of these tier lists for singles, this is a site to attract people who want to play in TPCi events, no need to confuse them with other metas with banned pokemon different than what the VGC allows?
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I dunno, if one considers Rumble an offshoot (and it's fairly non-official since it's discountinued)...but I agree, like I posted earlier tier lists would just confuse everyone, and as VGC/doubles is the only official format for the videogame PUI has out, that's what it should focus on here.
 
However this comes to be, I am sure that I can contribute someway, shape, or form.

I also agree that only one big format for the VG is needed, since it is supported and used at every TCG event here in the NW. Mr. Riachu believes it is the best as well, since it is a good solid provision from Nintendo to have something structured that everyone can count on being there. And the format only changes when Nintendo put's it out every year, so people who attend events can already know what to expect and be kept current with the way the VGC is held.
I fully support my TO's in the decision to keep with what Nintendo offers at a professional level in regards to such a format.
 
Hello all I have a quick question I was wondering if I were to put a pokemon in the daycare does it gain any ev's for the. Experience it gains
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^I will answer that quickly for you- no.

We could have a thread that is for quick questions like the above posting. Sometimes people have only a quick question - and no real need to create a thread. I am "guilty" of asking a quick question, but I need to create a thread for it and sometimes it can take a while to get an answer. But the thread can be "cleaned out" on like a monthly basis, but all things like this can be in one spot.

Another idea is all.....
 
The reason I brought up tiers in the first place was merely because it's a general practice VGC players stand by. Migrating players would probably appreciate one to direct people too.

Also I want to clarify something, the OU tier is pretty much the same as the normal VGC banlist with the exceptions of some event Pokemon, Kyurem, and Garchomp, and that could be remedied. Just make the OU tier the 'standard tier' where the Pokemon on the banlist aren't allowed, and that could substitute. Beyond that the existence of UU and NU tiers on other forums is to give Pokemon a chance that are ignored in the next highest tier, for example I'm not going to use Butterfree, because it's a poor option. Tiers are pretty much inevitable, because players naturally do it anyway.

Tier lists could be developed later, and wouldn't even need to be enforced, only used as a guideline if people want to use them.
 
If you want to make a tier list then you'll have to test every Pokemon and not just the ones that everyone uses. My Pidgeot does pretty well no matter who I put her up against. In my Doubles team it used Cresselia and she is a much needed part of the team but she is far from OU.

All a tier list does is restrict any creative team construction and if you don't do it right. Rayquaza is in Ubers but you won't use it so what makes Rayquaza Uber? It would be better in OU right but why is it not there?

If you want to make a tier list, make one but don't use a bad list that the makers allow a certain number of Pokemon on.
 
Tier lists are not made to restrict team construction. Lower tiers exist so people can use those pokemon in a tier where they aren't overshadowed by the top Pokemon of the higher tier. That doesn't mean you can't use them in higher tiers, and people who view them as such don't understand the point of tiers.

And by the way, I'm pretty sure Cresselia is OU in VGC 2012, because it was pretty high in usage in VGC 2010 as well. (VGC tiers are different than singles tiers btw.)
 
Tier lists don't actually have to do with how good a Pokemon is. They're built on how much a Pokemon is used (apart from Ubers). That's what the U means, used. The most used Pokemon form the OU tier, then Underused Pokemon form UU, and Pokemon that rarely or never see use are in NU.

In the case of Ubers, stats tower high above normal Pokemon, for instance Rayquaza's base stats are 105/150/90/150/90/95. Which 147 (the attack power of Haxorus) is a big deal, and the rest of his stats don't even touch Rayquaza's. Major Legendaries are held to a different standard that even the VGC bans, which is why they have their own tier based on stats and not usage.

The tier most people use is OU, which tends not to ban Pokemon with the exception of major legendaries, which as I said could be used as the baseline for gym, ban the major legendaries and event legendaries to align with VGC guidelines, and let the other tiers form themselves naturally and post the listings as a guideline and nothing more.
 
All I'm saying is if you want to make or use a tier list, then make and do one right. VGC does not ban ubers and only bans event Pokemon, to my understanding. and a few others.

Instead of posting tiers, just make threads for Pokemon talking about how they can be used. A list based on usage is bad.

It starts with a tier list, which makes people use OU pokemon, which spawns into using teams that win and then you have the same problem like the tcg has with netdecking, which restricts creativity.
 
Not true. This years VGC bans Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia, Ho-oh, Celebi, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Dialga, Palkia, Giritina, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem as well as the three unreleased Pokemon. They have taken them into consideration since the VGCs start.

How is making a tier based on usage bad. The most used Pokemon are considered to be the best, because they consistently do well in matches, and others consider those Pokemon for their teams as well. To make ignored Pokemon more viable you remove the commonly used Pokemon.

Also while common movesets, and strategies may be easy to find there isn't such a thing as common teams. VGC isn't TCG, and doesn't share such problems. While certain Pokemon may be common on many teams, that doesn't mean that the teams are at all the same. Especially with the advent of Dream World Pokemon.

Also as a side-note in reality tier ranking doesn't mean too terribly much. I've seen teams use UU Pokemon and absolutely wreck a team. They may be ranked lower, but that doesn't mean they aren't worth looking at.
 
Oh no, don't ignore those pokemon. it it wins and you like it, use it. Those listed legends are banned because of the rules to use Pokemon only from black and white and Reshi, Zekrom and Kyurem are banned because teams would use them and you'll have the same teams more or less.

Lower tier does not mean weaker Pokemon but my problem with it is they 'allow' a certain number of Pokemon into OU and the fact that they keep moving Pokemon around.

Back on topic, I was thinking maybe something like this.

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I don't think it's too much and should cover everything.
 
I was going for something that covers everything, but the the format the same way the TCG has on the board and on top of that, it does not take up a lot of space.
 
What if temporarily moving the electronic game forum above the Trading figure forum too see if this area will even get more attention. See if this area picks up more traffic. Maybe also temporarily changing forum title from "Electronic Games" to something more like "Pokemon Video games and other Video games" (I know, lame, but, I cant think right now thanks to Black Friday and shopping with the kiddo's till 6:30 am)--

Maybe just making this move to see what kind of results we get. It never hurts to try, does it?

Don't get me wrong, I like the other forums-- but, not offense and IMO-- this area is way more active.

And please, really excuse my lame attempt at trying to "rename" the forum title- but, if you look at the words in comparison : Electronics/ Video game-- you can see how bleak the area of "electronics" is going to really get much attention to the specific of our goal is. Heck, does anyone want to discuss the new Ipod with me? Oh, wait, maybe RTC is the best place for that? I would think so, since I would want as many opinions on that.
If I want specific target of getting Pokemon game info, should it be over-shadowed by that new Laptop that HP is releasing next week?

I say we give it a try at least- oh- maybe "Pokemon Video games and other electronics"-- something, anything better then what my two brains cells are willing to pump out for the moment.
 
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^At regionals, the VG was on the Sunday, and TCG was both Saturday and Sunday. I believed at the smaller ones with only 1 day of Swiss could have people participating in both, but if you made top you would have to drop to do the other. Same for ones with 2 days of Swiss if there were any. I didn't pay attention to regs this year.
 
^Very true. If time allows it, you could participate in both activities for the day.
 
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