POP got cheap?

[drmario]

Steve, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I like events, like preReleases where the lesser players (competitively) get something more.

Very often the lesser players competitively have a lot to add to the community as a whole.

I have advocated for some time that the winner package just needs to have the medal and the packs, and the other prizes should be cool door prize items, or 2nd-4th prizes, or something like that.

The more people we have get more stuff, the more the game will spread....dude, where did you get that COOL POKEMON binder? Went to a city! How much did it cost? FREE! Did you win, no, I got 4th, but it was still WAY TO COOL, let me show you the cards I got....

Hey, let me know next time one of those is going on, I might tag along....

Word of mouth is still the #1 way we GROW THE GAME!

Vince

Like the thought of people who finish lower being rewarded better, some game stores (aardvarks:thumb already do door prizes and sportsmanship awards and such. I don't think that many masters would like it too much though. In case you hadn't noticed people tend to get more competitive as they get older, while junoirs and some senoirs might not care about winning too much a lot of masters (myself includes) are in it to win it and want to be rewarded for doing it. So maybe POP should focus on more on just having fun for junoirs and senoirs. Basically just restructure their prize brackets and not have them the same for all divisions.

Its good to know that POP's budget hasn't been cut. Such cuts frequently happens after a relaunch.

Yes, but it should've been increased.

And way to take the high road on this one. Writing other people's arguments with poor grammar doesn't make you any more right.

True, would expect better from a mod.

 

[SteveP]

Like the thought of people who finish lower being rewarded better, some game stores (aardvarks:thumb already do door prizes and sportsmanship awards and such. I don't think that many masters would like it too much though. In case you hadn't noticed people tend to get more competitive as they get older, while junoirs and some senoirs might not care about winning too much a lot of masters (myself includes) are in it to win it and want to be rewarded for doing it. So maybe POP should focus on more on just having fun for junoirs and senoirs. Basically just restructure their prize brackets and not have them the same for all divisions.

Equatity amongst the age groups is two-fold, kind of like our bi-cameral (sp.) government. Each age group should have the same prizes. Each age group should have more/less prizes based on their size.

It's that age-old equal representation argument.

 

[drmario]

Equatity amongst the age groups is two-fold, kind of like our bi-cameral (sp.) government. Each age group should have the same prizes. Each age group should have more/less prizes based on their size.

It's that age-old equal representation argument.

But there is a big difference from what a 7 year old would be happy with and what a 20 year old would be happy with.

Even though tournaments increased and the budget stayed the same so prizes where cut for many people they won't actually be able to go to many of those tournaments since they are too far away. It is already 1+ hrs. to any tournament I go to. Out of state is at least 2 hrs. So you just up with the same effort as last year and less payoff. And BTW unless more cities are going to be scheduled there will only be 3 in MD this year, last year there were at least 4 of them.

 

[SteveP]

But there is a big difference from what a 7 year old would be happy with and what a 20 year old would be happy with.

In my experience, younger kids want "more" -- older kids want "bigger."

Cost-size, they usually even-out. That's where the equatity lies.

 

[drmario]

Point is POP seems to think a junoir wants the exact same thing as a master. They need to realize that it isn't true. Although then again maybe it is because many yougers siblings make very good puppets.

 

[SteveP]

Point is POP seems to think a junoir wants the exact same thing as a master. They need to realize that it isn't true. Although then again maybe it is because many yougers siblings make very good puppets.

Sometimes, that's true. Generally:

Younger kids want lots of random boosters
Older kids want a few decent singles

But, I'd leave the choice up to the players. For example:

"Do you want some boosters, a few great trainers/foils, or this lv. X?"

Letting players have a choice in their prizes seems like a good thing, though that might raise issues too.

 

[PokePop]

Sometimes, that's true. Generally:

Younger kids want lots of random boosters
Older kids want a few decent singles

But, I'd leave the choice up to the players. For example:

"Do you want some boosters, a few great trainers/foils, or this lv. X?"

Letting players have a choice in their prizes seems like a good thing, though that might raise issues too.

I often give players a choice in which of my random drawing prizes they get.
Interesting to see what the different age groups choose.

 

[Rainbowgym]

Point is POP seems to think a junoir wants the exact same thing as a master. They need to realize that it isn't true. Although then again maybe it is because many yougers siblings make very good puppets.

Who says a junior doesn't want the same as a Master?

YOU.

Have you ever been at a CC tournament were the first place finishers in JR-SR-MA got 2-4-10 boosters as their prize? Did you ever had to explain why the Junior got only 2 boosters while he sees his older brother and friend got much more?
I bet you didn't. But I had, to many times and the only explanation I could give "that's how things work here".
I even bet you never got LESS than 18 boosters (or 10 for 2nd) during ANY CC.
JR and SR are not stupid you know, they can see if others get more.

Do you really understand what you are saying.
Because that same argument ( juniors don't need the same) was used here at Nationals a few years ago.
Juniors don't need a trip to Worlds, they are more happy with some boosterspacks.

What you are saying is driven by a selfisch thought, YOU want more. And to get more it should be taken from others (JR?) because they "need" less.

I will gladly exchange our CC bag + prizes for you prize package.
You can have our 2 boosters and Blastoise bag, can we have your 18 boosters?
And please also refund our $8 entreefee.:biggrin:

 

[Viva piñata]

so what if the cards are cardboardand that its a waist money its just for the fun of the game you make it sound so competitve and stressful also why do leagues cost adoolar it doesnt at our league

go team watermelon yaaa.....

 

[SteveP]

Who says a junior doesn't want the same as a Master?

It's common sense. Equatity can be achieved in a variety of ways.

With 7 kids in my family (14 years apart from oldest to youngest), we always got different Christmas gifts; however, we all felt that Santa was fair.

Plus, drmario is talking about giving more masters some prizes, NOT giving more prizes to the TopX. For example, the Top 25% of each age group get prize X. With more players in the masters group, more masters will get prizes, the same prizes that the Top 25% of the JRs and SRs get. That's the equity.

 

[Dante63s]

This discussion is just going back and forth.

I think POP those what they can, I also believe that most competitive players don't care about the prizes, it's nice but... I state again that they should increase trips and that sort of stuff, I would prefer no prize support and have more people getting trips to worlds, however if I where a TO and had to give out the prizes myself I might prefer getting prize support. But also remember that POP does not give Booster Boxes internationally as prize support. For example here the I had to pay u$s3 to play one of the Cc's and with that fee they gave out the boosters, according to the amount of players.
I would not say that POP got cheap.

DL

 

[PokePop]

It's common sense. Equatity can be achieved in a variety of ways.

With 7 kids in my family (14 years apart from oldest to youngest), we always got different Christmas gifts; however, we all felt that Santa was fair.

Plus, drmario is talking about giving more masters some prizes, NOT giving more prizes to the TopX. For example, the Top 25% of each age group get prize X. With more players in the masters group, more masters will get prizes, the same prizes that the Top 25% of the JRs and SRs get. That's the equity.

Well, that depends on the area, doesn't it?
I had more Juniors in my last City than Masters, 20 vs 18.
Should I give them more prizes?
Actually, on second though, I wouldn't mind giving out prizes based on percentage of attendance.
The big problem with it, though, is how to manage it.
POP can't tell ahead of time how many of each age group are going to be there.
Also, what about the disparity of attendance from on CC to another.
One has 25 players, another has 100. Shouldn't the one with 100 get more prizes to divvy up among the players?
So, how would POP manage that? How would they predict how many supplies to send to each event?
I suppose it could be based on the prior year's attendance, but you get the idea that the logistics of such a thing will get out of hand very quickly.

 

[drmario]

Who says a junior doesn't want the same as a Master?

YOU.

Have you ever been at a CC tournament were the first place finishers in JR-SR-MA got 2-4-10 boosters as their prize? Did you ever had to explain why the Junior got only 2 boosters while he sees his older brother and friend got much more?
I bet you didn't. But I had, to many times and the only explanation I could give "that's how things work here".
I even bet you never got LESS than 18 boosters (or 10 for 2nd) during ANY CC.
JR and SR are not stupid you know, they can see if others get more.

Do you really understand what you are saying.
Because that same argument ( juniors don't need the same) was used here at Nationals a few years ago.
Juniors don't need a trip to Worlds, they are more happy with some boosterspacks.

What you are saying is driven by a selfisch thought, YOU want more. And to get more it should be taken from others (JR?) because they "need" less.

I will gladly exchange our CC bag + prizes for you prize package.
You can have our 2 boosters and Blastoise bag, can we have your 18 boosters?
And please also refund our $8 entreefee.:biggrin:

I think you completely misunderstood my post. I didn't say that the junoirs and senoirs would get less packs. I meant give different extras to the junoirs or something like that. The boosters should stay the same for all divisions. The other prizes could change though.

 

[Rainbowgym]

Well I feel it's fine the way it is (in case you have the POP "standard).

I never understood (and will understand) why it should be more as the given standard.

 

[DarthPika]

Well, that depends on the area, doesn't it?
I had more Juniors in my last City than Masters, 20 vs 18.
Should I give them more prizes?
Actually, on second though, I wouldn't mind giving out prizes based on percentage of attendance.
The big problem with it, though, is how to manage it.
POP can't tell ahead of time how many of each age group are going to be there.
Also, what about the disparity of attendance from on CC to another.
One has 25 players, another has 100. Shouldn't the one with 100 get more prizes to divvy up among the players?
So, how would POP manage that? How would they predict how many supplies to send to each event?
I suppose it could be based on the prior year's attendance, but you get the idea that the logistics of such a thing will get out of hand very quickly.

In MD we regulary get 20-40 Masters, and only 4-8 Juinors. :tongue:

As you can see, Juinors have it WAY easier than Masters here.

I personly mostly agree with Dante63, except that I don't like the idea of compleatly dropping the prize support.

The best way I can think of to make up for it being in most cases to t4 in masters, they should not give out more prizes, but make it easier to get invites to worlds. After all, worlds is what most players want, and considering that the Juinors and Masters get the same amount of invites, and Masters is by far the larger dev., the amount of invites should also be in proportion to the amount of players in a dev.

POP sadly dosn't seem to understand proportions though, considering that CC has a max. t4 cut. :nonono:

 

[SPARTA]

I think people should just stop whining and enjoy the free stuff....

 

[DarthPika]

It's NOT FREE!!!

 

[Dante63s]

I think people should just stop whining and enjoy the free stuff....

It's not free internationally.

(I am talking about boosters)

 

[taurik]

It's NOT FREE!!!

Do you have to pay extra to get it?

Then it's free.

Whether or not the money they use to provide the prizes comes from profits from card sales is irrelevant.

 

[SD PokeMom]

oh please, give me a break with the 'it's not free!11!' argument. is ANYTHING competitive completely 'free' as some of you seem to be defining it? little league? pop warner football? soccer? gymnastics? cheer? marching band? scouting? and do they offer prizes on the scale as OP does?

i'd dare say ALL of the above have more out-of-pocket costs than pokemon...and certainly have more expensive entry fees, lesson/training costs, uniform fees, and on and on and on.

compare, for example my oldest son's HS marching band...which IS competitve...costs vs pokemon: private lessons, his instrument, yearly 'fair share' payments to the booster organization, paid admission to enter and view the shows where they compete, gas and food...vs. league (which is free to attend), cards, sleeves/boxes/dice, gas and food when attending events which again are free to enter to play OR observe.

i guess you're right, pokemon's not 'free'. but it's about as close to it as you can get when compared to other competitive events. and the available prizes are certainly more, 'bang for the buck'-wise than any other game out there, imo. and please note, that this post is for OP in the US, *not* international; unfortunately, i know the situation is different there

jmo.
'mom