jeffrey123
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This will be quick. I made top 32 out of 1000 masters. I got 18 packs.
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Prize support is disappointing
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Son_of_Apollo
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Agreed. Small entry fee for certain events would be so good for this game.
And btw, Top 64 out of 1000.... and I got nothing
And btw, Top 64 out of 1000.... and I got nothing
King Piplup
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64-128 get nada other tham CP which really strikes me as weird. Prize support is definitely top heavy at Nats. Anything is better than nothing though.
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Considering you didn't pay anything to enter the tournament isn't that good? $40 worth of product, not to mention the shirt, raffles and championship points for a free tournament, sound good!!! Than again, what do I know, I'm bad at this game.
dialga master
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What were the raffles for????
King Piplup
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FA's, plushies, 3DS. Tickets were given when you got Tshirt or through league.
Cyrus
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Anthony, that "always" comes up as the counterpoint...always. Nobody here is spoiled: I was happy to get a sealed box of one of the best sets in ages, as well as a piece of poke gear (the Empoleon bag) I thought was gone forever since its initial run in 2007-2008. Made me think they found some extra stock! =D
Still, I'd drop $5, $10, or even $20 just for Masters prizes to be really elite. Even if I didn't do well, that sort of amount would be extraordinary in padding the prize payout of Nats (fyi, I almost never go deep into cut at US Nats, so it's not like this is a "I did well so give me more prizes next year" argument...I'm fully expecting to go 1-9).
If you are going to spend $300-$500 on airfare, $50-$500 on hotel stay, $40-$200 on a competitive tournament deck, and are old enough to work a part or full time job (a.k.a., in Masters)...Why can't you pay $20? Assuming attendance would be the same with an entry fee, that's up to $20,000 more worth of prizes ("up to" because not all of it would go towards prizes). You could even make free entry fee an added incentive to win States/Regionals.
Still, I'd drop $5, $10, or even $20 just for Masters prizes to be really elite. Even if I didn't do well, that sort of amount would be extraordinary in padding the prize payout of Nats (fyi, I almost never go deep into cut at US Nats, so it's not like this is a "I did well so give me more prizes next year" argument...I'm fully expecting to go 1-9).
If you are going to spend $300-$500 on airfare, $50-$500 on hotel stay, $40-$200 on a competitive tournament deck, and are old enough to work a part or full time job (a.k.a., in Masters)...Why can't you pay $20? Assuming attendance would be the same with an entry fee, that's up to $20,000 more worth of prizes ("up to" because not all of it would go towards prizes). You could even make free entry fee an added incentive to win States/Regionals.
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Pokeplayer101
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You NEVER enter a free tournament because the cost is what you payed for ALL of your cards.
King Piplup
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Right, but it's not P!P's place to comp for that since TECHNICALLY the profits go to TPCi, then the OP budget (which supposedly is completely flat) is allocated. It's not as simple as it seams.
JandPDS
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Not neccessarily I have heard of worlds finalists whos deck consisted of mostly borrowed cards.
Skitty
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I got second at the Anime Expo sanctioned tournament and got a $30 DVD, 2 $10 mangas and 16 Dark Explorers packs. And there were only 17 people in it. That and everyone that entered got a free pack. TPCI needs to learn something from Anime Expo. :lol:
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Don't take this the wrong way, I'm really grateful for the prize support I got at nats this year, but I have to agree with allot of the sentiment. It's really disappointing working hard getting ready for nats and playing two long days only to find out that all your hard work hardly amounted to more than a pat on the back. Anyways here's my little rant, take it with what you will.
Switzerland 24 masters
Austria 28 masters
Finland 60 masters
Italy 92 masters
Germany 165 masters
France 113 masters
Netherlands 92 masters
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've been told the winner in every country gets a invite and trip. If that's true then Germany is the only country who comes close to our ratio of players to trips. That's not counting prize support for 64 and 128. Also P!P held side events where they gave out 18 packs to the winners of 64 man tournaments and 9 packs to the runner ups. It's definitely allot harder to make top 64 or even top 128 then it is to do well in a side event. Why not take away some of the prize support from side events and give it to T128 and up? It wouldn't cost more money and it would make things a little more fair to the people who worked hard to make it through nats.
I understand P!P has a limited budget to work with, but it seems pretty clear to me that they at least have the capability to give out packs to those who do well at US nationals given the amount of prize support given out in the league area. Look at prize support at local events. If you wanted to look at prize support as the reward for doing well then winning a battle roads is easier than making top 64 at US nats? =/
Anyways that's my little rant, once again I'm grateful for whatever prize support P!P provides us with, but it does feel like the prizes could be distributed a little more efficiently at the national level. Just my 2 cents.
Switzerland 24 masters
Austria 28 masters
Finland 60 masters
Italy 92 masters
Germany 165 masters
France 113 masters
Netherlands 92 masters
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've been told the winner in every country gets a invite and trip. If that's true then Germany is the only country who comes close to our ratio of players to trips. That's not counting prize support for 64 and 128. Also P!P held side events where they gave out 18 packs to the winners of 64 man tournaments and 9 packs to the runner ups. It's definitely allot harder to make top 64 or even top 128 then it is to do well in a side event. Why not take away some of the prize support from side events and give it to T128 and up? It wouldn't cost more money and it would make things a little more fair to the people who worked hard to make it through nats.
I understand P!P has a limited budget to work with, but it seems pretty clear to me that they at least have the capability to give out packs to those who do well at US nationals given the amount of prize support given out in the league area. Look at prize support at local events. If you wanted to look at prize support as the reward for doing well then winning a battle roads is easier than making top 64 at US nats? =/
Anyways that's my little rant, once again I'm grateful for whatever prize support P!P provides us with, but it does feel like the prizes could be distributed a little more efficiently at the national level. Just my 2 cents.
Yeah, this isn't gonna go anywhere but whatever. I would love an entry fee in some of the major events in exchange for some real prizes. I could see BR's and possibly cities being free events with lower prize support but regionals, states and nats should have better prizes for sure and I would not mind paying a fee at all to participate in those.
jeffrey123
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It's for discussion purposes. This is the NATIONAL tournament. The LARGEST tournament in the world. Shouldn't the prizes fit?
Sorry, but 18 packs is like maybe 60 at best. I think anyone who can cut the largest world tournament deserves more than this.
Sorry, but 18 packs is like maybe 60 at best. I think anyone who can cut the largest world tournament deserves more than this.
z-man
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I had the exact same feeling. I lost a very close T32 game and was escorted out by one of the very nice volunteers. They handed me 18 packs, patted me on the back, and said good job. I then went to sell those packs for about $40. I play the game for the sport and to see my friends, but really guys. Unless you get top 4, prize support is almost nonexistant. Worlds, on the other hand, gives a disproportionately large amount of prize support. T16 get $1000 scholarship. When you assume a 128 person worlds (its actually less), That means that 1/8 of the players are "in the money". If we transfer that over to nats and assume 1024 people next year (because its divisible by 8 
), 128 people should be in the money. Instead, however, only 4 people are really "in the money". Nats is a far bigger and harder to win in tournament than worlds, so its prize structure should be changed to reflect that. Even top 32 at worlds gives a box. 1/4 players at worlds walk out with a box. At nats, 1/64 players walk out with a box. That is kinda sad
), 128 people should be in the money. Instead, however, only 4 people are really "in the money". Nats is a far bigger and harder to win in tournament than worlds, so its prize structure should be changed to reflect that. Even top 32 at worlds gives a box. 1/4 players at worlds walk out with a box. At nats, 1/64 players walk out with a box. That is kinda sad 
NoPoke
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How is worlds disproportionate? An open tournament can't be compared to a closed tournament.
But seriously if you are looking at the quantity of boosters then you looking at the wrong reward. Everyone understands this but somehow the dissonance remains.
Scrap all big booster quantity rewards? No one gets more than half a box at free events? I do notice that the players who don't routinely place high are always happy to get the few boosters that are handed out at Cities and States. The winners complain which could be a case of "much wanting more" .
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But seriously if you are looking at the quantity of boosters then you looking at the wrong reward. Everyone understands this but somehow the dissonance remains.
Scrap all big booster quantity rewards? No one gets more than half a box at free events? I do notice that the players who don't routinely place high are always happy to get the few boosters that are handed out at Cities and States. The winners complain which could be a case of "much wanting more" .
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Congratulations! there were hundreds who did worse and received nothing.
z-man
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1. Watch me. They are both tournaments that are run in the same general style (swiss and then top cut), so we can actually compare them. The same % of players do not have to be "in the money" at nats as the % of players at worlds, but my point was that worlds pays vastly greater prizes to winners than nats, despite the fact that US nats is an arguably much harder tournament. The % should not be the same because it is an achievement just to get in, but once you're in, nats is a much harder tournament. Ask somebody who did well at nats and worlds... they will almost always tell you that nats was a harder tournament.
2. This issue isn't about States or Cities. Those tournaments are fine. We're talking about nationals, the biggest and best tournament of the year.
3. This is not complaining by any stretch. The prizes downplay the achievement. A player who is T32 in the US (or any other major country for that matter) is nothing to sneeze at. The prizes that player receive do not reflect that, however. Prize wise, T32 at nats is a bit less than 1st place at cities. If I got to choose who would win out of a player who has T32 at nats and a player who got 1st at cities, I would easily place my money on the T32 player. When I got T32, I feel like I achieved something. That was a great event and I'm very happy that I did it. The prizes I got from it made me feel like I achieved less than what I actually did. The value of the prizes don't have to increase... just the personal value should increase a bit. Having stamped promos or hats wouldn't cost a whole lot, and they'd have immense personal value. 18 packs for being one of the 32 best players in the nation just doesn't feel suitable.
Would it be un-American to say that prestige is more valuable than cards? Yes, even a whole box of cards! If you make the top cut, you have already gained prestige. Making the top 64/32/etc. is even better. Sure, getting free stuff is always nice but if you already made the top cut do you really need more cards or are you just looking to made a quick buck? You're missing the spirit of tournament play if it's the latter.
On a related note, the higher up the ladder you go the more prestigious the tournament becomes. The prizes at World Championships should be considerable greater than those at National Championships and so on down the line.
It's all about prestige. Cards will be lost, sold, stolen or forgotten but your ranking can never be taken away.
Prestige!
On a related note, the higher up the ladder you go the more prestigious the tournament becomes. The prizes at World Championships should be considerable greater than those at National Championships and so on down the line.
It's all about prestige. Cards will be lost, sold, stolen or forgotten but your ranking can never be taken away.
Prestige!
baby mario
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That might well be true, but TPCI aren't using level of difficulty to decide the amount of prize support.
Worlds gets more because it is their prestigious invite-only showpiece and the big prizes = maximum marketing impact.
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