garyis2000
Member
So far that's
8 for prerelease Raichu
6 for illustrator
This is a real Poke battle
8 for prerelease Raichu
6 for illustrator
This is a real Poke battle
PSA 10 PreRelase Raichu or Illustrator? Yore choice
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I'd pick the Illustrator...much prefer the artwork and less people will question its authenticity
wasn't there a youtube video where the guy claims he made a fake illustrator... How can one verify its authenticity if you encounter one?
DJGigabyte
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Okay guys, the one warning.
Everyone who posts needs to post reasons behind their choice, else this is just a poll.
Thanks.
Everyone who posts needs to post reasons behind their choice, else this is just a poll.
Thanks.
Those "fakes" hardly even qualify as fakes. PSA would laugh if those were sent in. Your hands would laugh if they touched them.
Also, Gary, how did you count 8? Can you quote each one? One person said Illustrator definitely, then said they like english cards.
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garyis2000
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Yes Scott, 7 to 6 lol.
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Sorry DJgigabyte. We're just having a little fun
My reasoning would be the illustrators have changed hands many times and there is little romance attached to that card. It has been attainable.
The prerelease raichu is almost a myth. Not even PSA will recognize it. No matter how much money I've offered not even a single hint of one has surfaced.
For those advocating for the illustrator you can take comfort in knowing that the preraichu may go the way of the Loch Ness monster or Bigfoot and then the illustrator would rise up to Raichus plateau lol.
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Sorry DJgigabyte. We're just having a little fun
My reasoning would be the illustrators have changed hands many times and there is little romance attached to that card. It has been attainable.
The prerelease raichu is almost a myth. Not even PSA will recognize it. No matter how much money I've offered not even a single hint of one has surfaced.
For those advocating for the illustrator you can take comfort in knowing that the preraichu may go the way of the Loch Ness monster or Bigfoot and then the illustrator would rise up to Raichus plateau lol.
I say PreRai.
As far as aesthetics, I would pick the Illustrator. But I only collect English cards, so the Illustrator would be out of place in my collection.
Also, the PreRai is owned by fewer people. There are 3 different Illustrator owners that I know, but only 1 PreRai owner that I know of.
As far as aesthetics, I would pick the Illustrator. But I only collect English cards, so the Illustrator would be out of place in my collection.
Also, the PreRai is owned by fewer people. There are 3 different Illustrator owners that I know, but only 1 PreRai owner that I know of.
FrostyFluxy
New Member
What on Earth are you talking about good old Nessie for? I have a glass of Famous Grouse with her every morning, she ain't no myth to us Scots.
In all seriousness though I would choose the Illustrator in a heart beat, no questions asked. As a Japanese collector there is no way I would pick a vastly printed illustration of a Raichu with a stamp on it just because it was a printing mistake. The allure and history that the Illustrator holds is what captures me to it the most. The whole giving it away to children in the competition is amazing, the unique illustration is beautiful and not to forget that the Illustrator header is also a one-of-a-kind. Now if you ask me, you can't get much more special than that.
Something to also consider here is that this is an English site based out of the US with primarily english users. The amount of English collectors is going to be higher.
If this were discussed with Japanese collectors and other countries, I think you would see much different results.
If this were discussed with Japanese collectors and other countries, I think you would see much different results.
Well then you have a Japanese bias involved.
The only way to get a serious answer to this question is to have a world-wide poll. Get collectors from all over the globe to chose. Of course, this is highly impossible. There's no way you can get the best of the best in the collecting world to gather at one place at the same time... oh wait
Yes Scott, 7 to 6 lol.
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Sorry DJgigabyte. We're just having a little fun
My reasoning would be the illustrators have changed hands many times and there is little romance attached to that card. It has been attainable.
The prerelease raichu is almost a myth. Not even PSA will recognize it. No matter how much money I've offered not even a single hint of one has surfaced.
For those advocating for the illustrator you can take comfort in knowing that the preraichu may go the way of the Loch Ness monster or Bigfoot and then the illustrator would rise up to Raichus plateau lol.
Just want to say that there is a ton of romance to the Illustrator, and I would call it mostly unattainable.
For years I considered it to be completely impossible to find or buy. One copy was publically sold long ago to an overseas collector who still has it. He will not part with it. Another copy is graded by PSA (NM/MT 8) and was seen in a Beckett magazine in 1999 and never seen since. I consider that one to be out of the picture as I doubt anyone even knows who has it! Scott bought the other publically advertised copy and he will not part with it.
So that's what we were left with for a couple years. None available for any sum of money. I always desired one, but considered it impossible. The only reason I got one is that by chance it was listed at auction on a public auction site in Japan. It now appears attainable, but my copy will never leave my hands for any dollar sum for the rest of my life, therefore forget about that one entirely.
Gary if you wanted to buy an Illustrator right now and had oodles of cash to offer, I think you'd come up with none (unless of course you know the guy with the magazine copy and he wanted to sell
). There's some magic in a card if it's unattainable like that. So the Raichu and illustrator are two of a kind. It's just that in the case of the latter, there are people like Scott and I who will publically share images of our copies. Many collectors collect privately and would never dare to do that. Dave Persin is one of those collectors. That might be a part of the Raichu mystery.Not even for some ridiculous amount, like $30k?
And if money doesn't work, one can always resort to kidnapping!
Actually, I started collecting English exclusively and then moved onto Japanese promos. I started a long time ago completing the English sets, then the English promos/errors and then the few tournament English cards.
The problem I ran into was that there were so many more Japanese cards to collect that were never released in English. Since pokemon is Japanese, there are going to be more cards in Japanese. That is why it seems like I am Japanese focused because I caught the English one's already and decided to go after Japanese cards as well.
Also, in the years of doing this, you realize that the english cards are not original artwork. Just about every promo is a reprint, variant or has a stamp thrown on it. The original artwork comes from Japanese cards. That part is fact, but how people value the cards is entirely up to them.
Oh and people have offered what gary is offering for the Prechu on my Illustrator. It is not worth it to me to sell my copy at that price, or any price at the moment.
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funmonkey54
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I think I can sum up most of what people are trying to say and what some people don't understand with this:
Some items are rarer than money.
If I came to own a PreRaichu or an Illustrator, I wouldn't sell it because I'm more likely to come upon any amount of money being offered in my lifetime than I am a chance to own that card again.
What is $25,000? I mean, seriously. That's relative chump change. That's an amount of money that could be saved if I needed to. I can't save up bits of Illustrator and have an Illustrator in a handful of years.
Some items are rarer than money.
If I came to own a PreRaichu or an Illustrator, I wouldn't sell it because I'm more likely to come upon any amount of money being offered in my lifetime than I am a chance to own that card again.
What is $25,000? I mean, seriously. That's relative chump change. That's an amount of money that could be saved if I needed to. I can't save up bits of Illustrator and have an Illustrator in a handful of years.
garyis2000
Member
:wink:
One illustrator was just sold and bought last yearl no raichu has come up in forever.
I'm not disputing the illustrator is number one cause I believe the Raichus existence as a WOTC creation is undetermined. But...if it did exit the wizards plant as advertised then it is surely number one. Could be a mute point though.
Not even for some ridiculous amount, like $30k?
And if money doesn't work, one can always resort to kidnapping!
At this point in my life, I wouldn't part with it for double that figure.
In my opinion the two are a tier of their own, and on the same tier at that. It is up to preference (and only preference) which of the two comes out on top as the No.1 card. That's the way I always looked at it.
I like this philosophy.
The two cards are both #1 in their own realms, and these realms cannot be crossed, therefore you cannot get a definite answer as to the ultimate #1.
EDIT: BY THE WAY, YOU NEED TO FIX THE TITLE. "YORE" is most likely not the word you are looking for. I am sure you meant "Your choice." Unless you did intend to say "Obsolete choice" or "Long ago choice."
raichuforyou
New Member
If anyone has seen the sale history of the PSA 8 Honus Wagner, it has increased by a considerable amount with each sale. This will more than likely happen to the Illustrator. It's at the point where one more sale could make it "unattainable" to most or all of us. Who knows, eventually it could go over $100,000 and from there to 1/4 million and up and up. All that needs to happen is an all time high sale and it could sky rocket. It happened with the 1st edition Neo Destiny box. One auction went up to $2500 and now people won't part with it for less even though it had always sold for $800 previous to that one sale. Prices of "rare" items and really rare items have a way of spiraling out of control price wise.
PokemonTrader
Active Member
Illustrator.
PreRai is really ugly.
There is a mystique about it and thus I don't think anyone should get it graded.
Illustrator is definitely the staple in the largest and best collections around.
PreRai is really ugly.
There is a mystique about it and thus I don't think anyone should get it graded.
Illustrator is definitely the staple in the largest and best collections around.
I'll take a Prerelease Raichu any day due to the story behind it. Illustrator does not have the mystique or any back story behind it. Those of use who have been around forever know of the story and some of us saw it in DMTM's binder.
Asked both older boys which they would want, "What's a Pokemon Illustrator?" was their response (they've also been around quite some time. But never saw a Prerelease Raichu in real life).
Asked both older boys which they would want, "What's a Pokemon Illustrator?" was their response (they've also been around quite some time. But never saw a Prerelease Raichu in real life).