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Public school vs. Private school vs. Home school

Thing is, you only think that the skaters who go, "Who reads, anyway?" go away in terms of intelligence past high school, but the fact of the matter is you meet people of... lesser intellect quite frequently. I'm not saying they're necessarily stupid, just not well-educated.
 
Smeagol said:
From what I've seen in the past, most homeschooled kids are very bright. Not necessarily over-achievers, yet still very bright.

Here's another plus for being a homeschooled kid...
One doesn't necessarily have to be the smartest kid! One can get into *college without turning in a "high school transcript" (meaning they don't have to have a "4.0").

Myself, on the other hand, must get a 4.0 (with AP classes) to get into an excellent college. I don't have room to "mess up". Plus, since I am caucasian, I have many to compete with (which isn't fair, but that's life).

The point of the matter is that homeschooled kids don't have to be fully developed socially, nor academically, in order to get into college. They aren't going to have transcripts that say "doesn't work well with others", or lack of a better descriptive phrase.

Homeshooled kids don't have to be an all-A student in order to get into an excellent college, in my honest oppinion. For them, it is all about the ACT, SAT, and PSAT.

*= An Ivy League school, for example

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Good for you...what did you get? My bet is that since you took it so early, you will probably be taking it 2-4 more times, based on my knowledge.

Talk with a majority of teachers...they will tell you to hold off on taking the ACT until you have been through the appropriate classes. And, from what you've said, you haven't taken any AP classes as of yet, therefore you *most likely weren't prepared to score a 30+ on the respective test.

*= key word
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I got like, a 19? I think? (I was in like, the top percent for the Duke TIP program though) I don't even remember, because I am indeed taking it again this year. I believe I can do better, this past year was more of a practice test to see exactly what the ACT was like. I am only taking it one more time most likely, then I'm going to be taking several AP's, the SAT, PSAT etc.
Of course I wasn't ready to get a 30+. I'm 13, sheesh. It's supposed to be for 17 year olds.
My point wasn't really what I got, my point was that homeschoolers DO have the opportunity to take such tests.
 
CleffaGirl said:
I got like, a 19? I think? (I was in like, the top percent for the Duke TIP program though) I don't even remember, because I am indeed taking it again this year. I believe I can do better, this past year was more of a practice test to see exactly what the ACT was like. I am only taking it one more time most likely, then I'm going to be taking several AP's, the SAT, PSAT etc.
Of course I wasn't ready to get a 30+. I'm 13, sheesh. It's supposed to be for 17 year olds.
My point wasn't really what I got, my point was that homeschoolers DO have the opportunity to take such tests.
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Exactly. I fully agree.
 
BROCKS TWIN said:
Hard times in private school!!:lol:Don't make me laugh. Mommy and Daddy's (money) will take care of any problems. Hitmonchan says that the private school teachers actually care about the students, oh yeah, thats because the students parents are writing the teachers checks. I had a teacher at my public high school that taught at a private high school and said "All the kids have their parents take care of all their problems no matter what. I wonder what they are going to do when they have to sustain themselves in the real world."
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Money doesnt solve everything it requires alot more than a cheque book,lol......... Yeah only if it did, at least everyone would have something to aim for.........lol
 
TheLegendKiller said:
Kempley since when did you go to Harrow i dont recollect seeing you around school??? Unless your there now,lol..... Results dont really matter,lol. Its evident as an individual as you dont show your whole schools results do you??? And its the name of the institution that carries you....... I know people that have got 5 C`s at GCSE at Harrow and gone off to Oxford or Cambridge.....
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Your're right about having the label, if you say you went to Eton/Harrow you instantly have an advantage, Harrow was like 30th on GCSE's and its still seen as one of the best in the country, notice how I say seen as.:wink:
 
Private Schools may be the best however
There are of what i understand "Alternative" schools
that may be part of a school district and or Regular non religous private school.
Religous Private Schools suck
in that case Public School> all
 
well im homeschooled nd no matter wht other ppl think i git plenty of social time w/ friends since i play cards i go 2 a card shop evry saturday nd friday plus i go 2 church evry wednesday nd sunday along w/ retreats tht the church duz its fine nd i think its the best
 
Maybe I should've opted for home school because of the bullying, but I didn't because I would've lost the friends. Is there any significnce in being called "Mikey" all the time? If not, i'm just in a school full of retards. They don't look it, but they are!
 
Marril said:
I'm surprised nobody's made this point about public schooling yet. In public schools, you get to interact with some real idiots, which prepares you for interacting with the idiots you meet out in the real world.
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You can be rich and still a total idiot. :/
 
Moss Factor said:
Carlos: does your mom teach you based on her own curriculum, or do you use a program to guide the process? The problem I can see with home schooling is that it appears that it would be difficult for a son or daughter to become significantly more educated than the parent teaching them. This is of course the case with any teacher-student relationship, however in private or public schools, the teacher is more specialized. I would be afraid that a parent could be a "jack of all trades, ace of none."
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Actually, we used several books and strategies from 3rd grade (when I started) until my senior year. Some subjects, like Spanish, my parents (since both are fluent) would divide the work between each other, and have basically their own curriculum. As for subjects they didn't feel as comferatable teaching, they would use a more typical curriculum purchased through various companies they had looked at, or I might enroll in some class. Of course, not all homeschoolers use this sort of method, I was just trying to answer your question.

As for it being "difficult for a son or daughter to become significantly more educated than the parent teaching them", I just don't really see that as a problem. I will try to stray from using personal examples too much, but I know poeple that have managed to become more competent then their parents in areas that were of interest to them, or that they simply needed for higher ACT/SAT scores. That is, atleast, part of my evidence for the theory that a parent does not need to be a "professional" teacher to assist in their child's education.
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However, you could argue that K-12 schooling is essentially just a survey of the various subjects and that the real, specialized learning happens in postsecondary education.
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Yeah, that can be argued. I am pretty sure somone would be completely fine if the only subjects they studied from K-12 were English and math; they could simply read the Princeton Review during highschool and surely ace the ACT. However, I feel that learning many different things during those years is crucial to development, and would never actually back something like that.
Spotter said:
Actually, and this may come as a shock. . .

Private school teachers are typically paid LESS than public school. The draw, however, is that they are freed from the bureaucratic nonsense that has infected the public schools all the way down from the federal (*cough*unconstitutional*cough*) level. They are free to focus on what they are really interested in, which is teaching. True, the standards they are held to are higher, but on the flip side of that, they typically have more support from the (much smaller) bureaucracy associated with the private school AS WELL AS the parentage that sends their kids there. They know that if they call some kid out for behavior, the administators, and probably the parents, are going to back their call.

I went through public schools, and I think I got a pretty good education in spite of all of the roadblocks the federal (*cough*unconstitutional*cough*) and Texas government tried to put in they way of my teachers. I also know that was almost 20 years ago, and that much has changed in that time. When my son was born, we specifically moved to get into the district where my wife had taught, because she knew and trusted it. When it was time for him to go to school, however, the district had changed so much that we no longer trusted it. So off to private school it was!

Public school districts no longer have accountability to the right people - the families being served. Instead, they are beholden to the state and the federal government which, as I think I have pointed out, is beyond unconstitutional. The federal government needs to get out of the education business, and the state governments need to lighten up and return control to the local school districts so that the folks "in the trenches" can identify and address the current problems.

S.
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Wow, I did not know that. I wasn't really claiming any of those as points for my own arguements though, I was really just showing how boring this discussion usually turns out to be if people keep repeating themselves. Thanks for the info:thumb:
 
I agree with Spotter on the accountability thing. Funding for schools has gone up significantly in the past 30 years, adjusted for inflation, and still students aren't performing better. Throwing money at schools doesn't fix them. The key is fixing their incentives. I'm a STRONG believer in school vouchers.
 
I prefer public because im able to meet people who have some similaritys. Private would kinda be the same thing but in some private schools they have like low amount of kids which = better learning. I go to Public school and we have about 4000 students attend. I can't say anything about home schooling because i havent been home schooled nor have i ever went to private. And I agree with moss about the money to schools because some public schools get money toward the kids education's but it doesnt seem it has any effect on my school.=/
 
I think the public school system is the best in my opinion. When I was in the 4th grade, I was transfered from a public school to a private school that was very expensive ($20,000 a year) and had a strict dress code (as I'm sure most private schools are). However in the private school, I was constantly made fun of all the time for no reason, and people considered me an "outcast" just because my parents weren't millionares like their parents are. I went to this same private school until the end of the 7th grade, and then I couldn't take it anymore because I was constantly being bullied, teased, and getting into fist fights (where I won in 95% of the fights that weren't started by me).

My mom didn't really want me to get back into public schools because she felt that since my elementary school was so "bad" that all public schools were bad, which I knew wasn't true. She also realized that I was not happy at my private school and that all the bullying was messing with my emotions and "hindering" my learning experience. She tried to homeschool me during the first half of the semester when I was in the 8th grade, but to make a long story short homeschooling didn't end up working for any of us, including my mom who prefered to start working again to get some more money coming in the house. Plus, I hated homeschooling with a passion. Plus, homeschooling deprives children of their social skills, which is something these people need to aquire at a young age if they want success when getting a job and dealing with people in the "real" world... For the 2nd half of 8th grade, I went to my public Middle School, and had a clean 4.0 GPA the entire time I was there. Although the workloads weren't as high as the workload of a private school, I still felt that I learned a lot and gained a significant amount of social skills compared to when I was in my private school being bullied all the time.

I ended up going to my public neighborhood high school, Lakewood High School, and had the time of my life there. I made many friends, girlfriends, delt with other teenage issues that teens tipically deal with, had a good education there, and got an honors scholarship to help me pay for college where I'm almost ready to graduate. At my high school, they actually prepared us for college, no matter which route of education we took (honors/AP, or regular education). In high school, you have the option of going the "regular" route, where the workloads are not too much but there is still a lot of homework to do and other things to prepare for class if you want to do well in them. Then there's the honors/AP classes that people take that earn you college credits, which is something that would have been helpful to me right now if I had decided to take honors classes in high school rather than going the "easy" route. Hey, at least I still got an honors scholarship! :tongue:

So in all, I think public education is the way to go, at least in the state of Colorado anyways. The school systems here in Denver have rapidly improved over the years and they actually prepare you for real life scenarios and college. According to some friends of mine who used to attend private schools who have taken AP classes in high school, they say that the AP classes in high school are equivilant in terms of workload and "better quality" education that you would normally get in a private school that one pays $20,000 a year for their kid to go to. Better to stick with the public route and go through with AP classes and spend the money it takes for that, which is significantly cheaper than the cost of enrollment at a private school!
 
Has anyone else heard on the news where some classroom or school is teaching why to grown men or women are walking down the street holding hands or kissing? I believe the book was called king and king? Anyhow this is the kind of junk public schools just force on elementary schools without parent consent.
 
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