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pyroar needs to be edited or banned

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soviet prince

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this card is ridicules it can not be damaged by 90 percent of stuff people run and forces ppl to run cards that are bad just to counter. plus it has 90 attack which can take out pretty much any stage 2 in one shot. You idea was it to make this card it has 0 drawback
 
Garbodor is ridiculous. It forces people to run Tool Scrapper or Startling Megaphone just to counter. Plus it works from the Bench so you have to waste resources to Knock it Out just to get your Abilities back.

Pokemon-EX are ridiculous. Basic Pokemon with more HP than Stage 2 Pokemon that have overpowered attacks for the cost of the Energy it takes to pay for them, many of which can take out pretty much any Stage 2 in one or two shots. It forces people to run Safeguard Pokemon just to counter. Or... Pyroar just to counter.

Here's the thing: people were getting away with running big Basic Pokemon with hardly any drawbacks. The worst you might see is a Sigilyph or Suicune to try to ignore Pokemon-EX, where the Pokemon-EX would just attack around it with Pokemon Catchers that worked like Lysandre without using your Supporter for the turn. Pyroar is a serviceable answer to Pokemon-EX and other big Basic Pokemon, one that the game needs to be healthy. Garbodor turns off the ability. Latias-EX and other Pokemon get around it with Swift/Shred-like attacks. (Latias-EX doesn't even take damage from Pyroar, since it has an Ability!) Enhanced Hammer deals with Double Colorless Energy (if they run it). Attack effects still go through, so things like Hypnotoxic Laser and Special Conditions will still affect it, unless they have a Grass or Blend Energy attached and have Virizion-EX in play, or something strange like that.

I've played Pyroar decks and decks against Pyroar decks. If you don't like Pyroar, bog it down.
 
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Well, whats ruining the meta is Sableye (again), hypnotoxic laser and most of the dark type Pokemon. Also add all the energy acceleration to that list. Pyroar is a nice addition to the game because Safeguard doesn't work.

Just dont play decks full of basic basic and play something else or find techs that work with the deck. There are other options for you out there. If you keep losing to it, its kind of your fault for not using your options. Any stage 1 water attacker should be good.
 
It's a wide combination of factors, but if I had to pick one to blame, I'd pick Garbodor without a moment of hesitation.
 
soviet prince said:
does pyroar stop effects like chandeliers abilty to put 4 damage counter on any pokemon?
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No. Pyroar won't stop Chandelure EX's attack from placing 4 damage counters. Placing damage counters is an attack effect and is not stopped by Pyroar's ability. Also note that Pyroar's ability only protects Pyroar. If an attack does damage but targets an Pokemon other than Pyroar, that Pokemon will still take damage.
 
Latias Ex is a good defense against it. Maybe neither can knock the other card out, but at least it gives you time to set up your other Pokemon and gives you more time to plan a counter.
 
Not a huge fan of all the hate for EXs, Garbodor, and Pyroar. They all have their place. If Ability-based decks had nothing to worry about, there would be no consistent counter. Plus we have Lysandre now to get around Garbodor. Pyroar forces the big-basics decks to change their lists to incorporate Stage 1's. Laser is pretty broken, but still, I love it. It sucks when people are so negative, I get that not everyone can love everything about everything, but yeah. :/
 
Frost Mage said:
Not a huge fan of all the hate for EXs, Garbodor, and Pyroar. They all have their place. If Ability-based decks had nothing to worry about, there would be no consistent counter. Plus we have Lysandre now to get around Garbodor. Pyroar forces the big-basics decks to change their lists to incorporate Stage 1's. Laser is pretty broken, but still, I love it. It sucks when people are so negative, I get that not everyone can love everything about everything, but yeah. :/
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That's one major reason why Lysandre is a staple, and will increase in price. It's basically a nerf'd Pokémon Catcher. It allows you a guaranteed effect for only one use per turn, but also knocking out any other Supporter. This still wouldn't matter late in the game when you only really have a select few supporters in your hand.

As for Pyroar, I believe mega evolutions can get past it. If this is correct, megas do not count as basic Pokémon. Even still, we have a modest selection of stage 1's we can throw at it. There's quite a few things out there that can get past its ability, too, or beat in at its weakness.

And as for EX's, they're expensive, I know. That's a good reason why most people don't like them. The worthless ones are too common, and the good ones are too rare. This is a TCG that may be confusing at times, I know.

They're not going to ban pyroar, because they made it for a reason. It's a very interesting card. I'm going to watch it rather closely, and see how it plays out.

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I've been playing Pokemon TCG since DPP Era and this is by far the worst format I've ever played in, none of the other formats I played in Standard/Modified were THIS terrible. I'm getting sick and tired of Stage 1 / Stage 2 Evolution decks being reduced to Rogue decks while Pokemon-EX/Big Basic decks are Tier 2 or higher, I want to keep playing this TCG but TPCi is making it really hard for me not to. I can't get ahold of 2 Tropical Beach to keep up with everyone else even though it's getting rotated out soon and as mentioned earlier Garbodor warps the format around itself to where everyone needs to run Startling Megaphone, Tool Scrapper, and Lysandre to get around it thus wasting viable deck space for consistency. Pyroar was meant to help give Stage 1 / Stage 2 Evolution decks leverage against Pokemon-EX/Big Basic decks but due to Garbodor and other counters it only gave more unnecessary power to Pokemon-EX/Big Basics rather than for Stage 1 / Stage 2 Evolutions.
 
Poke Trainer J said:
I've been playing Pokemon TCG since DPP Era and this is by far the worst format I've ever played in, none of the other formats I played in Standard/Modified were THIS terrible. I'm getting sick and tired of Stage 1 / Stage 2 Evolution decks being reduced to Rogue decks while Pokemon-EX/Big Basic decks are Tier 2 or higher, I want to keep playing this TCG but TPCi is making it really hard for me not to. I can't get ahold of 2 Tropical Beach to keep up with everyone else even though it's getting rotated out soon and as mentioned earlier Garbodor warps the format around itself to where everyone needs to run Startling Megaphone, Tool Scrapper, and Lysandre to get around it thus wasting viable deck space for consistency. Pyroar was meant to help give Stage 1 / Stage 2 Evolution decks leverage against Pokemon-EX/Big Basic decks but due to Garbodor and other counters it only gave more unnecessary power to Pokemon-EX/Big Basics rather than for Stage 1 / Stage 2 Evolutions.
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Its been like this since BW. The last days of HGSS were bad because Prime Pokemon were powerful. They weren't the end all of the game but 140 HP pokes were a big deal though they most were over shadowed by Magnezone and Donphan... Maybe Gengar. Now its all about big basics. I/ve been looking forward to a Pidgeot card for 4 years now and I finally got one. Too bad its the huge basics make it hard to use.

So its not a problem with XY but BW. I would like to see a hard rotation to XY when rotation happens because I dont want to see XY cards modeled after BW cards. Things that are broken in XY are only broken because of BW sets. Without things like Emboar, Blastoise, Darkrai EX, Sableye, Dark Patch, Hammers, Virbank and Lasers, the game gets much better but BW as a whole is bad.
 
There've been bad formats, sure, but I'd still argue it's an improvement over HS-BW. Reversal, baby flips, Cleffa reliance, PONT being a 4-of, etc. were all factors that caused it to be, in my opinion, far worse then it is today.
 
King Piplup said:
There've been bad formats, sure, but I'd still argue it's an improvement over HS-BW. Reversal, baby flips, Cleffa reliance, PONT being a 4-of, etc. were all factors that caused it to be, in my opinion, far worse then it is today.
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True. I forgot about the babies. Also Lost Burn with reversal. I hated that flip so much.
 
vaporeon said:
I would like to see a hard rotation to XY when rotation happens because I dont want to see XY cards modeled after BW cards. Things that are broken in XY are only broken because of BW sets. Without things like Emboar, Blastoise, Darkrai EX, Sableye, Dark Patch, Hammers, Virbank and Lasers, the game gets much better but BW as a whole is bad.
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This. I really, really hope they go straight to XY-on this fall. (They won't, but I really want them to!)

Personally, I think the Gardy/Gallade era was infinitely worse than what we have right now. I also loathed the entire SP era, but that one is more personal preference than anything else I think.
 
The only broken thing about Pyroar is going first with it and playing a Pyroar + Archeops on your 2nd turn before your opponent can possibly evolve.

And if you're playing Pyroar+Archeops at a majour tourney you've got bigger problems than your opponents will.
 
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