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Again, BW cards not mixing well with XY cards but Evosoda provides a solid way around it.
pyroar needs to be edited or banned
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Again, BW cards not mixing well with XY cards but Evosoda provides a solid way around it.
Poke Trainer J
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Anyone here seen the new Rising Fist/Furious Fists scans that were leaked on PokeBeach? Seismitoad EX can Item Lock for a DCE which paired with Garbodor can lock Abilities for as early as T2 with the right setup. Luckily Seismitoad EX is x2 weak to Grass which means VirGen or Leafeon can get around however it can get around it's weakness easily with just 2 Dark Energy for Goo Punch and Shadow Circle in play by forcing their opponent to counter stadium or be stuck playing Supporters for the rest of the game.
I fear that Seismitoad/Garbodor will be this format's Fossil Aerodactyl/Dark Vileplume lockdown deck as Pyroar/Archeops failed to live up to that reputation (thank goodness), GothLock (Gothitelle/Accelgor) was bad enough as it is however it's nowhere near as fast as Seismitoad/Garbodor in terms of setup. I don't know what TPCi was thinking when they decided to print Dragonite as a Big Basic but I'm glad they printed Blaziken as a Stage 2 with attacks that work well with DCE, Fiery Torch, and Blacksmith.
I fear that Seismitoad/Garbodor will be this format's Fossil Aerodactyl/Dark Vileplume lockdown deck as Pyroar/Archeops failed to live up to that reputation (thank goodness), GothLock (Gothitelle/Accelgor) was bad enough as it is however it's nowhere near as fast as Seismitoad/Garbodor in terms of setup. I don't know what TPCi was thinking when they decided to print Dragonite as a Big Basic but I'm glad they printed Blaziken as a Stage 2 with attacks that work well with DCE, Fiery Torch, and Blacksmith.
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Pyroar needs to be edited or banned???
Are we seriously having this discussion?
I was originally on the Pyroar is fantastic hype-train, but after having played with and against it, I am on the "Meh" side.
Pyroar can be good, but in a format where there are a bunch of answers to it, I don't see what the fuss is about tbh. Calling for an edit or banning just seems like a knee jerk reaction, more than an opinion formed from collecting extensive information on it's effect on the game. Outside of it's inclusion in the deck that won Singapore Nationals, I can see 5 other decks that made the top 8 at at various Nationals around the world, where Pyroar was a part of the deck. Compare that to Yveltal EX and Pyroar is a drop in the ocean... (And I am not calling for Yveltal EX to be banned, or even suggesting that at all...)
Are we seriously having this discussion?
I was originally on the Pyroar is fantastic hype-train, but after having played with and against it, I am on the "Meh" side.
Pyroar can be good, but in a format where there are a bunch of answers to it, I don't see what the fuss is about tbh. Calling for an edit or banning just seems like a knee jerk reaction, more than an opinion formed from collecting extensive information on it's effect on the game. Outside of it's inclusion in the deck that won Singapore Nationals, I can see 5 other decks that made the top 8 at at various Nationals around the world, where Pyroar was a part of the deck. Compare that to Yveltal EX and Pyroar is a drop in the ocean... (And I am not calling for Yveltal EX to be banned, or even suggesting that at all...)
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the_banned_man
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Dark Explorers will be rotated out most likely, so next format might be much better.
I don't believe Pyroar should be banned. But I do believe it's energy requirement should be altered to 2 fire, 1 colorless. Let's be real, a card that stops Big Basics in their tracks AND also two-shots them for two energy (1 fire, 1 DCE) is a little over powered.
I do believe it's a healthy addition to the meta but its cost requirements are a little too low.
I do believe it's a healthy addition to the meta but its cost requirements are a little too low.
Over powered because it can two-shot basics? That's not over powered at all.
Let's talk about the power those big basics posses, stopping almost all stage 2 decks because of speed and being able to one-shot stage-2s.
Not only that, being able to knock out pretty much everything in the game with little setup depending on the big basic Pokemon.
Pyroar on the other hand needs to wait a whole turn to evolve, and only has 110 health ><
Pyroar is anything but broken. :frown:
I think Pyroar and Garbodor are good for the game because it makes people rethink there game. Are they ridiculously powerful? Yes, but so are Yvetal-EX, Mewtwo EX, Muscle Band, and Juniper. If a card is put into the game to help balance then I don't mind it. The part I don't like about all of the cards I mentioned along with Pyroar and Garbodor is that they are killing variety. In HGSS-on we didn't have a consistent BDIF. Even without a set being released a new deck would rise to power to become the best because at the time every card was equally good and bad. Mewtwo EX is only bad if the deck it is going against doesn't use energy, or if you don't have a good hand. Pyroar falls apart when you are facing stage 1 and 2 decks. EX cards are too powerful, and if Pyroar will change that then I am more than happy.
it is natural to fear change...i am sure lots of people have grown accustom to the comfort of "EX" pokemon.
with this updated format change, pyroar is a welcome change to this format.
safeguard was nice, but with low HP and high energy cost for low damage output...it really did not have much of an effect in the game.
* thanks to ht-laser and vb-city *
i actually have ran a fire deck, consistently, since starting the TCG.
i have always had a problem with water...mainly keldeo-ex >_<"
* which i would always auto-lose to *
pryroar is a fair and very balanced card in this format.
you may want to rethink about playing a deck that only has EX's/Big-Basic in this next format.
with this updated format change, pyroar is a welcome change to this format.
safeguard was nice, but with low HP and high energy cost for low damage output...it really did not have much of an effect in the game.
* thanks to ht-laser and vb-city *
i actually have ran a fire deck, consistently, since starting the TCG.
i have always had a problem with water...mainly keldeo-ex >_<"
* which i would always auto-lose to *
pryroar is a fair and very balanced card in this format.
you may want to rethink about playing a deck that only has EX's/Big-Basic in this next format.
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Also, while we're at it, I think it's important to bring up another important card to the game's history, from the DP era.
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I don't see what's the problem with Pyroar. Sure, nobody likes clunking up their deck with something just for a single matchup, but what Pyroar does is encourage more play for Evolutions, which is great because Evolutions shouldn't be so outclassed by Basics. The "fact" that "it can not be damaged by 90 percent of the stuff people run" is due to improper game balance.
Most decks have some sort of counter/check/answer to Pyroar, and they have a lot of decent choices for them. Pyroar can still win against them by Lysandre up their counters, but it isn't like they don't have a chance.
-Yveltal-EX decks can use Raichu XY, Garbodor LTR, and Zoroak LTR. These decks probably would've ran some of these cards even if Pyroar was never released.
-Virizion/Genesect decks have G Booster, and they can use Raichu XY or even Abomasnow PLB (don't forget Red Signal to attack around Pyroar). The reason why this matchup is so bad is really just because of Pyroar's typing. Most decks that run Fire Pokemon can beat this deck.
-Plasma decks can run Latias-EX, Glaceon PLF, Umbreon PLF, Flareon PLF, or Froslass PLB. You can also stall with Thundurus-EX's Thunderous Noise attack. This deck has a bad Pyroar matchup, but all decks have bad matchups, and I've seen Plasma win sometimes.
-Aromatisse can use Rayquaza LTR, Giratina-EX, G Booster, Latias-EX, or Mega Kangaskhan (which some of them are entirely built around). If you are using Giratina, Rayquaza, or Latias, you should be fine if they don't have a Druddigon.
-Landorus-EX decks (like the one that WON US Nationals) run Raichu XY and Garbodor LTR, which they have already been running before the release of Flashfire.
-Blastoise has well. . . Blastoise.
-RayBoar has both Emboar LTR and Delphox XY. They can even run the BCR Emboar along with the LTR one if they are that scared of Pyroar.
-Empoleon/Miltank doesn't care about Pyroar.
-Greninja/Miltank probably doesn't care about Pyroar.
-Flareon doesn't care about Pyroar.
-Flygon/Dusknoir/Accelgor doesn't care about Pyroar.
-Fighting decks after the release of Furious Fists will have M Lucario-EX and Machamp FUF.
Pyroar obviously changes things up, but it doesn't stop things in there tracks that easily.
Most decks have some sort of counter/check/answer to Pyroar, and they have a lot of decent choices for them. Pyroar can still win against them by Lysandre up their counters, but it isn't like they don't have a chance.
-Yveltal-EX decks can use Raichu XY, Garbodor LTR, and Zoroak LTR. These decks probably would've ran some of these cards even if Pyroar was never released.
-Virizion/Genesect decks have G Booster, and they can use Raichu XY or even Abomasnow PLB (don't forget Red Signal to attack around Pyroar). The reason why this matchup is so bad is really just because of Pyroar's typing. Most decks that run Fire Pokemon can beat this deck.
-Plasma decks can run Latias-EX, Glaceon PLF, Umbreon PLF, Flareon PLF, or Froslass PLB. You can also stall with Thundurus-EX's Thunderous Noise attack. This deck has a bad Pyroar matchup, but all decks have bad matchups, and I've seen Plasma win sometimes.
-Aromatisse can use Rayquaza LTR, Giratina-EX, G Booster, Latias-EX, or Mega Kangaskhan (which some of them are entirely built around). If you are using Giratina, Rayquaza, or Latias, you should be fine if they don't have a Druddigon.
-Landorus-EX decks (like the one that WON US Nationals) run Raichu XY and Garbodor LTR, which they have already been running before the release of Flashfire.
-Blastoise has well. . . Blastoise.
-RayBoar has both Emboar LTR and Delphox XY. They can even run the BCR Emboar along with the LTR one if they are that scared of Pyroar.
-Empoleon/Miltank doesn't care about Pyroar.
-Greninja/Miltank probably doesn't care about Pyroar.
-Flareon doesn't care about Pyroar.
-Flygon/Dusknoir/Accelgor doesn't care about Pyroar.
-Fighting decks after the release of Furious Fists will have M Lucario-EX and Machamp FUF.
Pyroar obviously changes things up, but it doesn't stop things in there tracks that easily.
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