Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Rayquaza in Dragons Exalted

Status
Not open for further replies.

untitled

Member
A friend of mine noticed something really interesting about the Dragons Exalted set. The description of the set was released awhile ago, quoted here for reference:

The Time of Dragons Is Now! Can You Command Them?

The might of dragons is yours to control in a way that can change your game forever - as a brand-new Energy type! Rayquaza. Giratina. Hydreigon. Few Pokémon inspire awe and wonder like Dragon-type Pokémon, and in the Dragons Exalted expansion, they come ready to rule the game! And with a grand mix of all-new Pokémon-EX and a horde of Dragon-type Pokémon to take to the skies and take the battlefield by storm, plus new Trainer cards and new Special Energy cards, you’ll be ready for the roar of dragons and the glory of battle!

Brand-new Energy type: Dragon!
15 Dragon-type Pokémon!
A dozen Pokémon-EX, including 6 full-card-art Pokémon!
Over 120 cards in all!

This description says there will be 15 Dragon Pokemon in the set. The following ones have been confirmed:

Garchomp (main set)
Garchomp (half deck)
Hydregion (half deck)
Rayquaza-EX (non-FA)
Giratina-EX (non-FA)

Overall, we had the following dragons between the Japanese set and half-deck:

Altaria
Rayqyaza-EX (non-FA)
Gible (main set)
Gabite (main set)
Garchomp (main set)
Rayquaza-EX (FA)
Giratina-EX (non-FA)
Deino (main set)
Zweilous (main set)
Hydregion (main set)
Giratina-EX (FA)
Rayquaza (secret rare)
Deino (half-deck)
Zweilous (half-deck)
Hydregion (half-deck)
Gible (half-deck)
Gabite (half-deck)
Garchomp (half-deck)

That's 18 Pokemon. This means three dragon-type Pokemon will be cut.

Now, we know the non-FA Rayquaza-EX is #85 and the good Garchomp is #90. This means there are four cards in between these two. The only dragons with Pokedex numbers between Rayquaza and Garchomp in the set are Gible and Gabite. And there are two of those. So that fills these spots and we can effectively say these cards are confirmed.

We can also assume that the Hydregion line will mirror the Garchomp line and that we'll get six Hydregion. The accidental printing of the good Hydregion in the theme deck makes it incredibly likely it will be in the set, and since no future Hydregion are confirmed, it's unlikely they'd cut the card's pre-evolutions. So we can effectively confirm that the following cards will be in the set:

Garchomp x2
Gabite x2
Gible x2
Hydregion x2
Zweilous x2
Deino x2
Rayquaza-EX x2
Giratina-EX x2
=16

We can assume that the FA versions of the EX cards will be in there because they've never done otherwise, and because six FA cards are in the Japanese set and it's been confirmed we'll get six in the English set.

So, we're already one over the confirmed number of dragon Pokemon. The only logical thing to assume is that they count Rayquaza-EX and Rayquaza-EX FA as one Pokemon and Giratina-EX and Giratina-EX FA as the same Pokemon because the FA are just alternate art of the normal ones. If they counted them separately, it would be like counting a RH version of a card as a different Pokemon than the non-RH version. Of course, this part is just speculation.

But, if that's true, that puts us at 14 dragons. However, the following cards are still left out:

Altaria
Rayquaza
Rayquaza (Secret Rare, so it technically doesn't count as part of the set)

If the speculation above is correct, this means that either Altaria or Rayquaza will be cut from the set.

Now, to get a better idea of which it might be, let's take a look at the number of cards in Dragons Exalted. We know that there are 124 cards, excluding Secret Rares. Non-FA Rayquaza-EX is number 85, and the last dragon, be it Altaria or regular Rayquaza, would come before it. This means there should be 83 non-dragon, non-colorless Pokemon in the set.

Sure enough, if we count the cards in Dragon Blade, Dragon Blast, and the half-decks, there are 83 non-dragon, non-colorless Pokemon. We know we're getting 15 dragons and six FA cards. So that puts at 104 cards. Which means we're missing 20. There are 14 Colorless Pokemon in the sets combined. So we're looking at six trainers and energy. Well, excluding reprints in the half-decks, there are four trainers and two special energy in the set. That makes six. So we're at the number we're supposed to be at - 124.

However, if Altaria were to be cut, Swablu would probably be cut too - both the one in the half-deck and the one in the main set. And this would ruin the number 124, forcing them to give us two English-exclusive cards or something. It seems unlikely they'd do this, although of course it also seems unlikely they'd cut ONE dragon Pokemon from the set and leave all the rest. Still, this argument makes it sound likely that it will be Rayquaza.

Furthermore, there is no regular Giratina in the set despite there being a Giratina-EX. So it wouldn't really make sense to have Giratina-EX but no Giratina despite having Rayquaza-EX and Rayquaza in the set. So it would kinda sorta make some small amount of sense to cut Rayquaza out of this set and release it alongside the normal Giratina.

tl;dr If the above speculation is correct, Rayquaza will be cut from Dragons Exalted. If this happened, ZekEel would lose its primary way of running with Garchomp, and Garchomp would lose a nice backup attacker. How would this impact the metagame?
 
What I've been saying for weeks to anyone that will listen :p.

I think it will likely knock eel from T1 for X Months we don't have it in format.
 
Yeah, it can always be released as a secret rare in future sets. Usually the secret rares are released a set or two after the regular version of the card comes out anyway.
 
The official site has since changed their wording for the set and has said "Over 15 dragon type Pokémon."

That still doesn't change the fact that blast/blade/half decks add up too perfectly. I've been thinking we aren't getting any dragon selection ever since they revealed the english EX's and garchomp.

Furthermore, Freeze Bolt/Cold flare only has up to five Dragons. Black kyurem-EX, White Kyurem-EX, flygon, vibrava, and whatever is in between Scizor 039 and White Kyurem-EX 41 in cold flare (which is most likely kingdra). Giving FBCF the dragons from dragon selection makes the dragons numbers for our BW7 set reasonable.
 
Last edited:
Oh, woah. I actually completely screwed up. I drew a blank for a minute and was thinking the half-decks were Dragon Selection. So yeah, odds are they just cut Dragon Selection. Of course, Rayquaza and to a much, much lesser extent Salamance are the only things that will be missed. Whether they cut the secret rare Rayquaza remains to be seen I guess.
 
You know what would be fun (though probably won't happen)? Non-shiny Rayquaza as a box topper and the shiny one as a secret rare in the set.
But sadly I doubt we'll actually ever get box toppers back. :frown:
 
The official site has since changed their wording for the set and has said "Over 15 dragon type Pokémon."

Like you said, Dragon Blade/Dragon Blast still add up too perfectly to Dragons Exalted's set count, and it could mean that the FA Rayquaza-EX and FA Giratina-EX count in the 15+ Dragons.
 
Or they could just release a secret rare exclusive Rayquaza, this would make it harder to get but of course would go against the "theme" of the secret/shiny rares
 
What about the speculation that pokemon with the same name count as 1 pokemon, so deino, zweilous, hydreigon, gible, gabite, garchomp, rayquaza ex, giratina ex count as 8 pokemon not 16 leaving room for rayquaza, altaria, the salamence line and either the haxorus line(dragon selection) or the dragonite line(dragon selection) effective making 16 pokemon(24 total dragon cards)
 
What about the speculation that pokemon with the same name count as 1 pokemon, so deino, zweilous, hydreigon, gible, gabite, garchomp, rayquaza ex, giratina ex count as 8 pokemon not 16 leaving room for rayquaza, altaria, the salamence line and either the haxorus line(dragon selection) or the dragonite line(dragon selection) effective making 16 pokemon(24 total dragon cards)

Not room in the set, number wise.
 
I just really hope that they don't put the Shiny Rayquaza into the set. We don't need a meta game card costing $90-100.

Anyhow, Zekrom/Eelektrik can manage against Garchomp/Altaria, even without Rayquaza. Rayquaza was nice as it could take prizes from t1 on, but overall, it wasn't really needed.
 
How do you plan to consistently OHKO Garchomps without Rayquaza? Zekrom sure can't do it, Terrakion can't, and Thundurus sure can't do it. Everything else is an EX.
 
I just really hope that they don't put the Shiny Rayquaza into the set. We don't need a meta game card costing $90-100.

Shiny Pokemon Catcher doesn't cost that much... neither did shiny Emboar, although Emboar was already pretty dead when Next Destinies came out.
 
Rayquaza EX has to come out. It's coming out in a tin this fall. I'm pretty sure the tins are coming out before October-November (when the next set would be coming out)
 
Shiny Pokemon Catcher doesn't cost that much... neither did shiny Emboar, although Emboar was already pretty dead when Next Destinies came out.

I think he meant he doesnt want it released without rayquaza being released as a holo as well. Pokemon catcher never hit that price because we have pokemon catcher from emerging powers so you didnt need the gold catcher. If we didnt have emerging powers catchers then gold catcher WOULD be a $100+ card.
 
Rayquaza EX has to come out. It's coming out in a tin this fall. I'm pretty sure the tins are coming out before October-November (when the next set would be coming out)
Yeah, we're all in agreement on this one. It's the regular Rayquaza we think will be cut (the non-EX one that does 40 damage for one energy).
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top