the problem with a propoints system is that harder places have a disadvantage. Places like FL, Cali or any other highly pokemon populated area with a large competitve group will instantly be put at a disadvantage at tourneys beacuse it is harder to get wins/tc. Compared to ELO where the competitive areas have more of a chance to gain more points beacuse of more rounds+opponets with higher rankings.
Re: Pete. (aka. Gaming the system-- who's to blame?)
- Thread starter Flaming_Spinach
- Start date
- Status
pinnaclelwf
New Member
Why travel all the way to Nationals, or Regionals, or States, or even a city-away Cities if you're going to drop? I always play until the end of the tournament and really enjoy the extra elbow room during the last few rounds. It's not like we're athletes using and abusing our bodies, do we need to save our arm for the Super Bowl? I'm pretty sure one could shuffle an infinite amount of times and still continue to play Pokemon, and that's what we're all doing, playing Pokemon, why? Because it is cooler than Yugioh.
Articjedi
Active Member
Then increase the points based on tournament attendence.
SLOW DECK
New Member
World Invites Awarded for REGIONAL WINNERS.
Less Invites for Cities Point Mounchers playing Dominating and unimaginative decks. Anyone who got their point rankings and sat out played one of 3 decks. Wow, how exciting, great for the game. I enjoy this game, but too many "Ranking" invites, that is something that is NOT good. I personally choose not to play the ranking game, or be a complete jerk for every single ranking point. I believe the majority of the invites should be because of WINNING large events, not by RANKING gaming.
I personally think Byes is something that is bad for Nats, I think if anything, give resistence "bonus". State or Regional winners be given "resistence bonus" of 5% per state victory. Thus if you were 6-3, you get a better chance of winning the "tie" on resistence game.
Pete, I appreciate the fact that you put the blame on system, not the players who have concluded to sit out.
Less Invites for Cities Point Mounchers playing Dominating and unimaginative decks. Anyone who got their point rankings and sat out played one of 3 decks. Wow, how exciting, great for the game. I enjoy this game, but too many "Ranking" invites, that is something that is NOT good. I personally choose not to play the ranking game, or be a complete jerk for every single ranking point. I believe the majority of the invites should be because of WINNING large events, not by RANKING gaming.
I personally think Byes is something that is bad for Nats, I think if anything, give resistence "bonus". State or Regional winners be given "resistence bonus" of 5% per state victory. Thus if you were 6-3, you get a better chance of winning the "tie" on resistence game.
Pete, I appreciate the fact that you put the blame on system, not the players who have concluded to sit out.
Last edited:
JandPDS
New Member
That is not true, winning a Regionals does not get you a spot in Worlds.
^^^
Of course, you are right JandPDS, winning a Regionals does not get you a spot in Worlds.
I think Slow Deck was saying, or trying to say, "World Invites [should be] Awarded for REGIONAL WINNERS." I say this because it makes sense when viewed in context with the rest of the post. Slow Deck states too many Ranking invites is not good, while opposing point jerking, and favoring most invites being awarded to winners of large events.
With Regionals being second in size to Nationals as events before Worlds, I think it safe to assume that Slow Deck knows that a Regional win does not currently earn a Worlds invite; but I think he was suggesting to Pete and the powers that be that he favors that Regional wins earn that World invite in the future.
Of course, you are right JandPDS, winning a Regionals does not get you a spot in Worlds.
I think Slow Deck was saying, or trying to say, "World Invites [should be] Awarded for REGIONAL WINNERS." I say this because it makes sense when viewed in context with the rest of the post. Slow Deck states too many Ranking invites is not good, while opposing point jerking, and favoring most invites being awarded to winners of large events.
With Regionals being second in size to Nationals as events before Worlds, I think it safe to assume that Slow Deck knows that a Regional win does not currently earn a Worlds invite; but I think he was suggesting to Pete and the powers that be that he favors that Regional wins earn that World invite in the future.
Patsfan112892
New Member
honestly just get rid of the byes i was screwed out of top cut cause of ppl having them and its not fair to the ppl who actually play all 9 rounds only to not make it cause ppl have those byes
Prof Clay
New Member
There is a flip side to the byes...these are matches that people competing for Worlds invites cant play.
Also...would you as a player not have the opportunity to win these byes? If you got one or two, would you feel they are unfair?
They give more meaning to placing high at states and regionals. Those with byes were not "given" them...they earned them.
Win more games and then you don't have the problem you are complaining about
Clay Mitchell---Head Judge Masters Blue Flight 2011
Son_of_Apollo
New Member
Is X-0 dropping a tournament really such a huge problem? I think they earned the points they got. It's not easy to win game after game in Swiss.
I really don't like the pro points system. So a player goes x-o in Swiss, hits a bad matchup in the first round of top cut and gets nothing for their efforts?
Why fix something that isn't broken? Just because you can drop out of tourneys and get points doesn't mean we should adopt a brand new system. People will find something to dislike about any system they try. AFAIC, the problems we have aren't really that bad.
People say you have to go to tons of tournaments to make it. This is generally aimed at CC's. I only played 4 this year and ended at 1650. Yet I'm playing worlds. Play well consistently at big tournaments and it barely even matters how many cities you go to.
I really don't like the pro points system. So a player goes x-o in Swiss, hits a bad matchup in the first round of top cut and gets nothing for their efforts?
Why fix something that isn't broken? Just because you can drop out of tourneys and get points doesn't mean we should adopt a brand new system. People will find something to dislike about any system they try. AFAIC, the problems we have aren't really that bad.
People say you have to go to tons of tournaments to make it. This is generally aimed at CC's. I only played 4 this year and ended at 1650. Yet I'm playing worlds. Play well consistently at big tournaments and it barely even matters how many cities you go to.
jaws_is_ra
Member
A few more things I would not mind seeing for Nationals is
Make City Championship worth a Trip to Nationals but with out paying the way to Nationals. Same with BRs
Here is what I am thinking
A person can only win up to 5 Byes at Nationals but they can only earn 1 Bye per type of Tournament
First Fall Battle Road=1 National Bye. For First place only.
If a person enters a Fall Battle Road and Wins they can only earn 1 Bye at Nationals. but if they enter other Fall Battle Roads they do not earn any more because they already earn their 1 Fall Battle Road Bye
Next is City Championships. The same way with Fall Battle Road.
Now Spring Battle Road. This would be the same but because it is also a Battle Road it would not look at the Fall Battle Road for the Win
In other words you could earn 1 Fall and 1 Spring Battle Road Bye
Next is Statts this would be the same as a City Championship 1 Bye no mater what
But what is diffrent with States and Citys and Battle Roads were CC and BR are only offered to the First Place winners States would be offered to the Top 4
Finally Regionals. Would give 1 National Bye to the the Top 8
This would make it were 1 person could only earn a grand total of 5 Byes.
The Byes would pass down the list till a person who has not won one yet would recive it.
I think this would be a lot more Fair then what we have now that only State and Regional only offer National Byes at less my way people who can not make it to state or Regionals can at less earn a bye at CC or BR
I do not like the geting Byes at nationals it really does not show how good you really are because for the rounds you have byes all you have to do is site on the side lines and get a free win you did not prove your self to me but if we are going to offer them at less offer them at CC and BR also
Make City Championship worth a Trip to Nationals but with out paying the way to Nationals. Same with BRs
Here is what I am thinking
A person can only win up to 5 Byes at Nationals but they can only earn 1 Bye per type of Tournament
First Fall Battle Road=1 National Bye. For First place only.
If a person enters a Fall Battle Road and Wins they can only earn 1 Bye at Nationals. but if they enter other Fall Battle Roads they do not earn any more because they already earn their 1 Fall Battle Road Bye
Next is City Championships. The same way with Fall Battle Road.
Now Spring Battle Road. This would be the same but because it is also a Battle Road it would not look at the Fall Battle Road for the Win
In other words you could earn 1 Fall and 1 Spring Battle Road Bye
Next is Statts this would be the same as a City Championship 1 Bye no mater what
But what is diffrent with States and Citys and Battle Roads were CC and BR are only offered to the First Place winners States would be offered to the Top 4
Finally Regionals. Would give 1 National Bye to the the Top 8
This would make it were 1 person could only earn a grand total of 5 Byes.
The Byes would pass down the list till a person who has not won one yet would recive it.
I think this would be a lot more Fair then what we have now that only State and Regional only offer National Byes at less my way people who can not make it to state or Regionals can at less earn a bye at CC or BR
I do not like the geting Byes at nationals it really does not show how good you really are because for the rounds you have byes all you have to do is site on the side lines and get a free win you did not prove your self to me but if we are going to offer them at less offer them at CC and BR also
- Status