Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Respect and Pokemon

Otaku: I was refering to "home" games. Sitting back having a few (Mountian Dews I mean ;) ) Not in any sort of tournament setting.

Walrus: Than should you really be saying to people who it wasn't meant for. If its a thing between you and your team cool, more power to you. But to an opponent who doesn't know the meaning how do you think they would take it.

Dane: Good games man, SP Mirrors are quite possibly some of the funnest match ups. First two were both pretty back and fourth until mid-late game. That third one I just drew amazing and you opened with nothing. See you at cities, should be good. -Jay
 
http://www.sixprizes.com/tournament-reports/jasons-nationals-2010-report-day-1/


http://www.sixprizes.com/tournament-reports/okemos-mi-br-report-donphan-beast/

Two articles of people that have played members of Team Warp Point (one being Jason Chen creator of Chenlock)...both had no idea what the term meant and both became friends of one or more team members following their games.

Ask a competitive player from Michigan if we are at all disrespectful during tournaments.

People from the team (as far as I know) have never "warp point, good game'd" someone that they knew wouldn't understand the lighthearted (inside) joke.
 
Walrus you mean Jason who won the game and the other dude who beat your team mate in the finals. I promise you people take it way more seriously if there on the losing side of it. Expecially in high pressure situations. But bottomline this is an opinion piece from my experiences and disagree or not its my opinion.
 
Good article Jay.

But a couple things

1. As walrus said, you unfairly attack Team Warp Point Good Game. You don't know these guys, they are great guys. Team Warp Point Good Game, the phrase, was said as an honest, "good game", it wasn't meant to mock the other player, he just played a warp point, and then thanked the player for the game. The joke is actually on him for not letting the card take effect. From everything I have seen, Team Warp Point is a bunch of great guys that wouldn't mock any opponent if they weren't good friends. And, anyway its not "Team Warp Point I win you suck", its Team Warp Point Good Game, Good Game is most of the time a respectful thing to say.

2. Your right about the judges. They are the unsung heroes of the game. We don't thank them enough.

3. You talk about how some elite players can be mean to noobs. In my expierence the rude players are the middle of the road players. Those that are trying to be good, those are the guys who want to make a name for themselves and they want to win every game. The elite players are usually very nice, and the young players are just kinda taking it all in, some of them can be a little rude, but not as rude as the guys who are trying to be great.
 
I don't think Jay was trying to take a shot at the team, just the saying. The team can be made of all the coolest, nicest people, but that doesn't mean the saying isn't dumb.
 
I think Jay has spent enough time defending a comment that he apparently did not mean to taken the way it has been taken.

Back to the topic at hand please.
 
Moving onto the rest of article, something that has always worried me is Jay's refusal to acknowledge luck. Perhaps I am misunderstanding what he is saying, but I've been playing TCGs (or for that matter been alive) too long not to recognize "luck". Some luck, is merely that which is outside your understanding: Event 1 influences Event 2 and person A reacts appropriately causing Event 3 until it all comes down to Event 33 caused by person Z and you're all "What are the odds of someone doing that today of all days?"

That is more along the lines of the example Jay gave. Realizing that while his opponent would require some "luck" to have the cards needed for a great counter-play, said opponent would indeed be running those cards and have a chance at drawing them. Unfortunately the way it is worded, it seems to include "true" luck as well. Sometimes it is as simple as "if I had gone first, I'd have won" luck. When it is early game, and someone topdecks that one, key card they needed out of about 50, turning the smart play into suicide, I've got to write that off as luck. For that matter, the same holds true of the inverse: still early game, but I've either misplayed or pulled the worst possible hand I could, decide that "I might as well enjoy my loss" and do some crazy suicidal play that will never work because everyone runs so many counters to it and... my opponent just can't get a counter.

It is even more pronounced in other TCGs: as unbalanced as Pokemon has gotten lately (or as unbalanced as it was in the past), it never really reached the level of Yu-Gi-Oh when it comes to 'swing' cards. Even when playing cautiously, or in a manner appropriate to such circumstances, the basic moves it takes to win can easily fuel an opponent's win thanks to such cards.

Reading and re-reading Jay's point... I can't quite eliminate the possibility that this is me misreading his statements, him making an overstatement or overly general statement, or if he legitimately believes there is no element of "luck" to the game. Perhaps I should emphasize that I don't mean that everything we do is meaningless because of the fickle fates of fortune. What can an opponent do when some lunatic actually ran multiple copies of Speed Stadium (when it was legal) and would average about two or three cards of draw out of it, with several spikes of as high as 13 cards in one turn! While his opponent's got lower returns. You really can't call that "skill" and you really can't call that a misplay unless his opponents ignored chances to discard it.
 
Stands up from chair and...

* SLOW CLAP *

Where has this article been all my life ??

I'm strongly considering creating a sticky above the Strategy Forum.

I love this.

Thank you so much for taking the time.

RA

Otaku said:
I remember being forced to say "Good game" to each other in youth sports until it lost all meaning.

If it wasn't a "good game", e.g. one where each players deck went off and one person outplayed the other, I despise being told "good game". Plus, many people toss it off in a manner it really just comes across as an alternative for "I win, nyah-nyah".

"Thanks for the game" at least doesn't risk the lie of "good game" when it clearly wasn't.
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It's very hard to lose a match after investing time and effort into winning it.
I have to, literally, prepare my self to lose (mentally) before going into a match, so I can ensure that the other person can enjoy his/her effort if he beats me.

If I lose, I kinda grit, come to a smile, extend my hand and say "good job man" and get over it.

If you catch me on a good day, I'll be laughing and joking the entire game win or lose.

Sometimes, the opponent has an "IN YOUR FACE!!! :mad:" approach to winning.
It's all good man. That's on them. Don't let it dog your mood.

I play to win as if there's piles of money on it or something. But, when it all comes down to it,
I have to check myself and enjoy the PROCESS of playing.

It's really not about win/lose, it's an opportunity to meet others and enjoy a game.

You da man Jaeger.

Thanks again.
 
RA: Thank You

Joey: I'm not saying luck doesn't exist more simply that players jump to the conclusion they lost because they got unlucky or their opponent got lucky. There is a reason the same players keep topping.
 
Thank you for taking the time to write this, and for sharing it with the 'Gym. I appreciate your contribution to the game.
 
Wonderful article. However, I do think it's a bit unfair to say that losing a game to "luck" is just an excuse for making mistakes. I've had several games that I played PERFECTLY, and still lost due to luck. Sometimes people get lucky, and there's nothing you can do about it. I do think a lot of people tend to use it as an excuse, but I can say from first hand experience that some times there really isn't anything you can do.
 
Jay I just want to let you know this is a really great article. I think the main thing to take in mind is your very last point: "It's just a game." Winners and losers alike need to keep this in mind.
 
Great article, Jay. Agree on almost all the points. One small thing though :p

I can also promise you that listing Pokémon Master on your resume won’t make you any more hirable.
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Not true IMO! Although I don't have all that much experience when it comes to applying for jobs, I can tell you it certainly helped me when applying for college and scholarships! It is definitely a nice "stand out" thing on a resume.

:)
 
Rogue Archetype said:
Stands up from chair and...

* SLOW CLAP *

Where has this article been all my life ??

I'm strongly considering creating a sticky above the Strategy Forum.

I love this.

Thank you so much for taking the time.

RA



It's very hard to lose a match after investing time and effort into winning it.
I have to, literally, prepare my self to lose (mentally) before going into a match, so I can ensure that the other person can enjoy his/her effort if he beats me.

If I lose, I kinda grit, come to a smile, extend my hand and say "good job man" and get over it.

If you catch me on a good day, I'll be laughing and joking the entire game win or lose.

Sometimes, the opponent has an "IN YOUR FACE!!! :mad:" approach to winning.
It's all good man. That's on them. Don't let it dog your mood.

I play to win as if there's piles of money on it or something. But, when it all comes down to it,
I have to check myself and enjoy the PROCESS of playing.

It's really not about win/lose, it's an opportunity to meet others and enjoy a game.

You da man Jaeger.

Thanks again.
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Sticky this, or else....
:D
Naw man, this article was amazing.
 
kwisdumb said:
I don't think Jay was trying to take a shot at the team, just the saying. The team can be made of all the coolest, nicest people, but that doesn't mean the saying isn't dumb.
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He was taking a shot at them and he stood by the statement and wouldn't back down.

The saying isn't dumb. Its a joke on the person who originally said it. Its a fun original saying its not dumb. And its not disrespectful.
 
Yes, because if you say it isn't disrespectful, no one can take any offense what-so-ever because you decided that they can't.
 
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