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Revive the Archtype Section

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Absoltrainer

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Seriously, what happend to it? I see articles pop up on every deck, but they never get put in the archtype section.
The gym really needs to revive the Archtype section.

Reasons:

1.) Cut down on Deck Forum garbage.
When I say garbage, I don's mean bad decks, I mean seeing 40+ threads on the same deck with a 2 card difference. I rarely open the deck forum unless I am feeling helpful, but I don't liek seeing 14 threads on the same topic with the same advice in them, then the next day thr SAME advice is given to the same people on the SAME deck. With the Archtype section and threads revived, we could go back to the old system that was used during the ex series were the mods made it a point that you can post your list in the thread designed specifically for your deck. You can post as many lists as you want for that deck, and not have to worry about clogging up the forum. I.E. a G/G thread last year would have been amazing, but none ever appeared. And no I don't mean and article. I mean a thread that may have BEEN an article but has been designated as a thread only for that deck.

2.) Better advice.
If you look back at the old archtypes threads like Metanite and Mewtrick, and Ban ex, and the other threads, you can see that the people that normally populate the thread are the MOST experianced with the deck, and thus have done more testing and have played more with the deck then mose people on the subject. Thus those people could offer better advice to the people posting their lists, and people can use the entire thread as a referance for their decks. This also allows for fact checking. Someone may post an idea, and someone else in the thread who uses said deck a lot might have already tried and thus have a thougth on the idea.

3.) Less Spam in the deck forum
When I say less spam, I actually mean that is will be more contained. People may still argue over the deck or the idea, but it will be confined to one thread versus 12 threads all containing the same argument and advice over and over with the same people.

4.) Match-Ups
The Archtype threads where the ONLY places I ever saw realistic match-ups. Most likely because the match-ups in the archtype threads were based on real life testing and thsu were extremely accurate. If there is one thing that bugs me, its the fact that everyone thinks that their lists are invicnible to every deck or has at least a 50-50 chance agaqisnt everything. With the archtype threads, the match-ups were very discussed and thus the people who participated in the threads were very educated on their match-ups and more educated when they made their own lists.

When I first joined the gym, I remember using the archtype forum almost all the time. Not only to compare my match -ups with other deck, but to get good advice on my deck from people who are always playing the deck. I could post many lists on the same thread and thus get a lot more help with a kind of one-on-one basis with the people who really are experianced with the deck. I think that if we revive the archtype forum, the deck forum will improve with less repeat thread, more content per thread, more informed players, and over-all a better enviroment where player can go to a specific thread for their deck for help and as a resource.

Discuss.
 
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I completely agree. The archetype section once used to be very helpful for making decks and seeing match ups etc. I would love to see it get revived.
 
I agree with all the points you're making. Additionally, I'd like to add one of my own:

• People need to post more creative decks in the Deck Help forum. I'm sick to death of seeing the following:
-Lots and lots of good, popular decklists that are useless since everyone knows how to build them anyway.
-Really, really terrible decklists that fail to include even the basics, such as Uxie or Claydol. I'm not bashing here, but lurk moar before posting a list.

I'd like to see a little more creativity, like some decent rogue decks. The Bibarel/Mismagius thing was an exception to the garbage and sore lack of creativity I usually see around here, and it immediately got bashed. We need better, more creative decklists and nicer, more helpful people for the Deck Help forum to work.
 
I agree with some of the above, but not all. I think the Deck Help Forum is fine as it is. There is nothing wrong with someone posting their own version of Gengar or Beedrill and it may be like 5 others, but they have a right to a discussion of their own. And it is useful, to me at least, to see different builds with the same basic ideas.

There have been several amazing threads on decks over the past year in the Deck Help Forum, that really should be permanently archived somewhere. "Spreading the Love" and its sequel (or was that the sequel?) were an amazing introduction to how to make a good Dusknoir build. The discussion within was great too. There were others as well, and a well written post should be enough to make it in the archives. You shouldn't have to write a complete article as per the archetype forum guides. Its this barrier that has discouraged participation, IMO.

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-Lots and lots of good, popular decklists that are useless since everyone knows how to build them anyway.
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The reason everyone knows how to build them is because of the lots of good, popular decklists, posted on the Forum

. We need.....nicer, more helpful people for the Deck Help forum to work
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Do you know where we can buy some?
 
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I agree with some of the above, but not all. I think the Deck Help Forum is fine as it is. There is nothing wrong with someone posting their own version of Gengar or Beedrill and it may be like 5 others, but they have a right to a discussion of their own. And it is useful, to me at least, to see different builds with the same basic ideas.

There have been several amazing threads on decks over the past year in the Deck Help Forum, that really should be permanently archived somewhere. "Spreading the Love" and its sequel (or was that the sequel?) were an amazing introduction to how to make a good Dusknoir build. The discussion within was great too. There were others as well, and a well written post should be enough to make it in the archives. You shouldn't have to write a complete article as per the archetype forum guides. Its this barrier that has discouraged participation, IMO.

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The reason everyone knows how to build them is because of the lots of good, popular decklists, posted on the Forum

People could realize how to build them simply from one decent list posted... we don't need nine or ten for every bandwagon deck... :p Oh, and I wouldn't say everyone's entitled to their own thread. They're perfectly able to contribute to the previous thread on the deck with their own two cents.

Do you know where we can buy some?

Try Target.
 
I agree with all the points you're making. Additionally, I'd like to add one of my own:

People need to post more creative decks in the Deck Help forum. I'm sick to death of seeing the following:
-Lots and lots of good, popular decklists that are useless since everyone knows how to build them anyway.
-Really, really terrible decklists that fail to include even the basics, such as Uxie or Claydol. I'm not bashing here, but lurk moar before posting a list.

I'd like to see a little more creativity, like some decent rogue decks. The Bibarel/Mismagius thing was an exception to the garbage and sore lack of creativity I usually see around here, and it immediately got bashed. We need better, more creative decklists and nicer, more helpful people for the Deck Help forum to work.

i dont go in the deck forum hardly at all anymore because 70%+ of the decks are Gengar Kingdra and Champ decks. who needs to see more of that.
 
People could realize how to build them simply from one decent list posted... we don't need nine or ten for every bandwagon deck... :p .

And how do you decide which is decent? The first list that a 15 yr old posts becomes the list for that archetype and then we don't want to see others? There are a number of members whom I won't name for fear of omitting anyone that if they posted their list, it would be one and done, but most posts by most members are not like that, so Id prefer to see half a dozen and make my own judgements.
 
Are you volunteering to clean it up?

I believe the mod over that section is no longer a mod. That might be the reason for it's lack of updating.
 
I would be with anyone who would like to clean it up, and I would help too. A couple of years ago it really helped me learn how to play the game better.
 
Are you volunteering to clean it up?

I believe the mod over that section is no longer a mod. That might be the reason for it's lack of updating.

Is that statment implied at me?
There is not much to do, just move threads from the front page to the archtype section and allow continued discussion and allowed people to post their own decklists on that thread.
 
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It was implied to you.

If you have the time to make a thread complaining about it, you should have the time to update it.
 
It was implied to you.

If you have the time to make a thread complaining about it, you should have the time to update it.

Four things prime.

1.) I don't like the fact that you assume I am complaining. I made this thread because I saw people complaining about the repetition of decks, and felt that this was an adequate solution that benefited everyone, and had almost no cons. Believe it or not, sometimes people can actually just be being helpful. Not everyone complains about everything, and your attitude does not really make me want to try and help again. If the mods are gunna attack me, then I'm not gunna try. In fact if you re-read my OP, then you will see that not a word of it seems complaining, but rather it is written in a suggestive tone, in order to re-enforce the pros of my idea. Remember Prime, every time you post, you are representing every mod on this site.

2.) If you have the time to read my thread and then troll on it by telling ME (a non mod) to clean it up, then YOU have the time to clean it up as well. Even more so if you continue to use that time by arguing with me, which I suggest we both stop doing before this becomes flame war. Obviously I made this thread in the hopes that the higher-ups would look into it, not come into the thread and act like the players they so often scold at for not posting anything helpful.

3.) You assume I have all the time in the world? Between summer college, my job, my chores at home, and everything else I have going on, I have less time then you assume. That is why I posted a SHORT thread about the idea, hoping that someone who maybe had more time on their hands then I did may be able to handle it.

4.) Yes I would gladly take the job of fixing up the deck help section by setting up the archetype forum again. I don't really want to be a mod, but I'd be more then willing to do the job of fixing up that forum. I figured that someone who was ALREADY a mod would be happy to take the job seeing as it is merely an extension of their own job as it is. The archetype forum really helped me back when it was maintained, and I'm sure everyone would appreciate it if it was back up and running again. So again, sure I WOULD take the job of fixing up the forum.
 
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Four things prime.

1.) I don't like the fact that you assume I am complaining. I made this thread because I saw people complaining about the repetition of decks, and felt that this was an adequate solution that benefited everyone, and had almost no cons. Believe it or not, sometimes people can actually just be being helpful. Not everyone complains about everything, and your attitude does not really make me want to try and help again. If the mods are gunna attack me, then I'm not gunna try. In fact if you re-read my OP, then you will see that not a word of it seems complaining, but rather it is written in a suggestive tone, in order to re-enforce the pros of my idea. Remember Prime, every time you post, you are representing every mod on this site.

2.) If you have the time to read my thread and then troll on it by telling ME (a non mod) to clean it up, then YOU have the time to clean it up as well. Even more so if you continue to use that time by arguing with me, which I suggest we both stop doing before this becomes flame war. Obviously I made this thread in the hopes that the higher-ups would look into it, not come into the thread and act like the players they so often scold at for not posting anything helpful.

3.) You assume I have all the time in the world? Between summer college, my job, my chores at home, and everything else I have going on, I have less time then you assume. That is why I posted a SHORT thread about the idea, hoping that someone who maybe had more time on their hands then I did may be able to handle it.

4.) Yes I would gladly take the job of fixing up the deck help section by setting up the archetype forum again. I don't really want to be a mod, but I'd be more then willing to do the job of fixing up that forum. I figured that someone who was ALREADY a mod would be happy to take the job seeing as it is merely an extension of their own job as it is. The archetype forum really helped me back when it was maintained, and I'm sure everyone would appreciate it if it was back up and running again. So again, sure I WOULD take the job of fixing up the forum.

If you need any help, I would be more than happy to help you get it running again. I know some basic HTML, so maybe that could help to move over some of the threads from the deck help section.
 
If you need any help, I would be more than happy to help you get it running again. I know some basic HTML, so maybe that could help to move over some of the threads from the deck help section.

Thanks for the support, but HTML isn't even needed, all the actions necessary are programmed inside of the forum interface. We arn't building a site from scratch (besides I have Dreamweaver anyways lol). All it would take is a little time and effort to keep it updated. Like I said, I'll take the job, and clean it up if none of the current mods will.
 
Four things prime.

Your right.

I sincerely apologize for my comments. I do represent 'the Pokegym' with every post I make, and I was out of line with my remark about you complaining.

Some mods do have more time than others, but we are usually stuck in our own little area, without power to update other areas that might need some updating. The Pokegym is always looking for new staff that can help fix up these areas and keep the site that we all love clean and fresh.
 
After nats, I would be able to help out in the deck help section. Not sure how things would work out once college starts again, but I would be happy to do what I could to help out. :)
 
If you like ,i can make a very good Flygon/Weavile article...

Article that the pokegym community needs:

Flygon/Weavile
Gardevoir/Gallade/Weavile
Gengar/Nidoqueen
Infernape/Luxray
Beedrill
Legos and Straight Dialga (better in the last format but doesn't matter)
Porygon Z/Weavile (it's a very good deck)
 
^I think we should wait until after nats, because I'm not so sure about LuxApe. It might have been good in BR, but maybe not so in nats. No harm putting it in though. We also need: (*=kind of old) (**=maybe not)

SP toolbox
Abomasnow*
Blissey*
Dusknoir
Machamp
GeChamp**
Speedgar**
BlazeTran**

I think that that sums it up.
 
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